2007 Stanley Cup playoffs - second round

[bob_barron 0]

And I like making Dany Heatly jokes as much as anyone, but he didn't murder Snyder.

 

Agreed.

 

Sens in 6 btw.

[treble 0]

They played game 1 of the Ottawa/Buffalo from last year last night on CBC.

 

Next week is Leafs/Kings game 7, I might cry.

[CanadianChris 0]

Next week is Leafs/Kings game 7, I might cry.

I'd cry more if they showed game 6, but yeah.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

And I like making Dany Heatly jokes as much as anyone, but he didn't murder Snyder.

 

Agreed.

 

Sens in 6 btw.

 

QFT, but I'll elabourate on the Heatley thing.

 

This is exactly what I wrote for the paper I wrote for in college. "The Snyders have forgiven Heatley. Who are we to condemn him?"

 

Can justice be served if no one is crying out for it? No.

Have I ever met Dany Heatley? No. Am I certain he is a better person than say, Bernardo or Charles Manson, who have been well-established as cold-blooded killers? Yes.

Heatley still has to live with himself knowing he killed a friend. Let him be.

[Guest]

Next week is Leafs/Kings game 7, I might cry.

Best game from the best playoff series in the history of the National Hockey League.

[Guest Queen Leelee]

I need CBC.

 

Heatley is not a murderer. Stop it.

 

He will suffer in this upcoming series, though. I'll be disappointed if Lindy doesn't call for cheap shots to their entire 1st line. If we connect, then we can win this 4-0.

[Guest Richard McBeef]

I'm gonna have to watch some Buffalo and Ottawa. This is a great series, as it ensures that a hockey town will have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Buffalo-Detroit or Ottawa-Detroit would both have some amazing crowds.

[CanadianChris 0]

I kind of hope it's Detroit. That way, the 2007 playoffs would be a complete Revenge Tour for Ottawa -- Pittsburgh (Gary Roberts), New Jersey ('03), Buffalo ('97, '99 and '06), and Detroit (Hasek quitting on the team last year).

[Guest]

In all honesty, I want to see San Jose win it all. That way, hopefully Patrick Marleau and Scott Hannan will want to take new challenges and leave the Sharks.

 

I feel terrible about that, but if it got those two players out of the division or to us, considering that we have a great San Jose connection, I'd love it.

[Guest Queen Leelee]

No.

 

No southern teams ever deserve to win a damn thing in hockey.

[Guest]

If the build a winning team and tradition in their city, they most certainly do. Teams like Dallas and San Jose have done it the right way. Not to mention that San Jose is farther north than Carolina, Dallas, and Tampa Bay. Considering that Buffalo wouldn't even have a franchise without the NHL stepping in, a Buffalo fan is certainly not one to talk on this subject.

 

Hell, the majority of the southern teams are properly ran from top to bottom. The only ones that people could have a real gripe with are Florida and Phoenix.

 

But for those two, you have one franchise in the northwest that nobody wants to play for in a city that nobody wants to live in, one in the midwest that is being ran into the ground by a shitty owner, two in the northeast that have not done jack and shit right for the last 20 years, another one in the northeast that was bankrupt and has ran themselves into a cap situation that will lead to them losing a shit load of their players, one in the Atlantic Division that is ran like a fucking zoo, and another in that division that had to have Mario pull them out of the bottom of Lake Erie and still couldn't get an arena.

 

SEE MY POINT. I'd say that the northern part of this continent has a lot more problems with keeping their teams in check. I'm also sure that I pissed off the majority of the hockey fans on this board.

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Can we start calling the Sharks chokers if they lose this series? After last year against Edmonton and practically giving the Wings the series this year, I think the only thing that might help them there is that Nashville is even worse than they are.

 

I think I want the Sharks to win it all, though. I've already said I can't cheer for either team left in the East, I don't give a shit about Anaheim, and I don't want the Wings to get any closer to the Leafs Cup total (even if it that's the dumbest reason ever). I think they might be lost in the shuffle, though, in the Bay Area if the Warriors go another round or two in the NBA.

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If the build a winning team and tradition in their city, they most certainly do. Teams like Dallas and San Jose have done it the right way. Not to mention that San Jose is farther north than Carolina, Dallas, and Tampa Bay. Considering that Buffalo wouldn't even have a franchise without the NHL stepping in, a Buffalo fan is certainly not one to talk on this subject.

 

Hell, the majority of the southern teams are properly ran from top to bottom. The only ones that people could have a real gripe with are Florida and Phoenix.

 

But for those two, you have one franchise in the northwest that nobody wants to play for in a city that nobody wants to live in, one in the midwest that is being ran into the ground by a shitty owner, two in the northeast that have not done jack and shit right for the last 20 years, another one in the northeast that was bankrupt and has ran themselves into a cap situation that will lead to them losing a shit load of their players, one in the Atlantic Division that is ran like a fucking zoo, and another in that division that had to have Mario pull them out of the bottom of Lake Erie and still couldn't get an arena.

 

SEE MY POINT. I'd say that the northern part of this continent has a lot more problems with keeping their teams in check. I'm also sure that I pissed off the majority of the hockey fans on this board.

It's probably easier to run a team in a southern market, for the most part. You can kind of make your moves in anonymity without having to worry too much about the media in your market critiquing everything you do. The Canadian media probably covers teams like the Panthers, Coyotes or Predators more than their local papers.

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SEE MY POINT. I'd say that the northern part of this continent has a lot more problems with keeping their teams in check. I'm also sure that I pissed off the majority of the hockey fans on this board.

 

But for those two, you have one franchise in the northwest that nobody wants to play for in a city that nobody wants to live in

 

Vancouver?

 

one in the midwest that is being ran into the ground by a shitty owner

 

Chicago.

 

two in the northeast that have not done jack and shit right for the last 20 years

 

Leafs and Bruins.

 

another one in the northeast that was bankrupt and has ran themselves into a cap situation that will lead to them losing a shit load of their players

 

Buffalo?

 

one in the Atlantic Division that is ran like a fucking zoo

 

Rags?

 

and another in that division that had to have Mario pull them out of the bottom of Lake Erie and still couldn't get an arena.

 

Pens.

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I think he meant Edmonton for the first one and the Isles for the zoo one.

[Guest]

Yeah. I only didn't mention Columbus because they're new. All of those are the truth too.

 

People just love to shit on southern hockey just because of the location. Never mind that the franchises have great players on their team, and great coaching, that doesn't mean shit apparently. The product on the ice is most important. Not how many asses are in the seats.

 

It's probably easier to run a team in a southern market, for the most part. You can kind of make your moves in anonymity without having to worry too much about the media in your market critiquing everything you do. The Canadian media probably covers teams like the Panthers, Coyotes or Predators more than their local papers.

Depends on the city. Hockey gets little press here, but the fans showed up for the Kings ever since Staples opened even though we've sucked the shit. I know that Dallas takes their hockey seriously. I think the players like it that way, to be honest. That's why so many players own houses in the LA area.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

Can we start calling the Sharks chokers if they lose this series? After last year against Edmonton and practically giving the Wings the series this year, I think the only thing that might help them there is that Nashville is even worse than they are.

 

I was thinking about that at work today. I think we can. They've been a perennial West winner since what, 99, 00 now? Couple trips to the conference finals and eight or nine trips to the playoffs, and now with one of the league's three or four best players on their team? Yeah we can.

 

King had an intersting point about Marleau. I always thought he's been ridiculously underrated, with better than a point-a-game the least two seasons. The extra ice time on a 7 or 8th team would make him a legitimate superstar in my opinion.

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I didn't like it when Tampa or Carolina won because it pisses me off that I haven't seen the Leafs even make the finals, while places like that, where they have (or at least, had) trouble filling the building, get championships. If the Leafs had won sometime in my life, I probably wouldn't care as much. It's all for selfish reasons.

 

After the Lightning won, SI said that their fans were 'long suffering'. I wrote them to tell them they were full of shit.

[Guest]

Marleau is one of the most complete players in the league. Plays the PK, has a heavy shot from the point on the PP, and tied and won the last game of their first round series against the Preds. The most amazing thing is that he only took 2.3 shots per game and still scored 32 goals. The Sharks won 19 of 21 when Marleau scored 2 or more points.

 

In shorter terms, I love his game.

 

That has nothing to do with the Sabres not getting support.

 

It's because Buffalo is a poor city, and the prior owner fucked them over as badly as possible.

That is of no matter. I don't care whether or not fans support their team. I don't like the Buffalo Sabres because of their whiny ass coach, and I'm not afraid to put it in those terms. The organization was poorly run before the lockout. They have done far worse than the teams that most hockey fans love to trash.

 

As far as the Carolina and Tampa Cup wins, I believe that their fans did not deserve to see their team win the Cup, I can agree with that. But, the effort that their players left on the ice far exceeds how I feel about their fanbases. I for one, will not forget Dave Andreychuk, Martin St. Louis, Doug Weight and Rod Brind'Amour lifting the Cup. That alone makes having those southern hockey teams worth it.

[Guest Queen Leelee]

If the build a winning team and tradition in their city, they most certainly do. Teams like Dallas and San Jose have done it the right way. Not to mention that San Jose is farther north than Carolina, Dallas, and Tampa Bay. Considering that Buffalo wouldn't even have a franchise without the NHL stepping in, a Buffalo fan is certainly not one to talk on this subject.

 

Hell, the majority of the southern teams are properly ran from top to bottom. The only ones that people could have a real gripe with are Florida and Phoenix.

That has nothing to do with the Sabres not getting support.

 

It's because Buffalo is a poor city, and the prior owner fucked them over as badly as possible.

 

Nobody gives a fuck about hockey in Arizona. It's a crying shame the Coyotes still aren't the Jets.

[Guest]

That has nothing to do with the Sabres not getting support.

 

It's because Buffalo is a poor city, and the prior owner fucked them over as badly as possible.

 

 

That is of no matter. I don't care whether or not fans support their team. I don't like the Buffalo Sabres because of their whiny ass coach, and I'm not afraid to put it in those terms. The organization was poorly run before the lockout. They have done far worse than the teams that most hockey fans love to trash.

 

As far as the Carolina and Tampa Cup wins, I believe that their fans did not deserve to see their team win the Cup, I can agree with that. But, the effort that their players left on the ice far exceeds how I feel about their fanbases. I for one, will not forget Dave Andreychuk, Martin St. Louis, Doug Weight and Rod Brind'Amour lifting the Cup. That alone makes having those southern hockey teams worth it.

 

Nobody gives a fuck about hockey in Arizona. It's a crying shame the Coyotes still aren't the Jets.

 

Yeah, it is. Their organization is so fucked up that they could not possibly care, but they did when the Yotes first got there and still had Bulin and Teppo. I don't think that Phoenix should move. Florida is an entirely different story.

 

I accidentally edited my post above Leena's with this information in it, instead of making this post originally. Forgive me.

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I'm glad for the players like that, too. I felt bad for Weight that he couldn't play in game 7 and lift the Cup properly after they won.

 

It was weird seeing the Coyotes put Hawerchuk in their ring of honor, or whatever, and have him wearing a Jets sweater. They should let the Moose do stuff like that.

 

EDIT: http://www.phoenixcoyotes.com/flash_video/...uk_ceremony.php

 

And their address is on 'White Out Way'? Come the fuck on.

[CanadianChris 0]

It was weird seeing the Coyotes put Hawerchuk in their ring of honor, or whatever, and have him wearing a Jets sweater. They should let the Moose do stuff like that.

I wonder how many people in attendance actually knew who Hawerchuk was.

[Guest]

I watched the game, for some insane reason that I couldn't understand. I love watching those ceremonies, but this one was way awkward. I'd say that the number of people that knew who he was was closer to 200 than 500.

[Guest]

Double post, so I'll say that they did a Thomas Steen ceremony last year. And it was worse.

[treble 0]

I guess the Conservative party leader in Manitoba is saying that if he's elected, he promises to bring the Jets back.

[CanadianChris 0]

I guess the Conservative party leader in Manitoba is saying that if he's elected, he promises to bring the Jets back.

Nice sentiment, but I don't see how he could possibly follow through on that.

[Guest George's Box]

I can't think of a fanbase and team that deserve a Stanley Cup less than the Hurricanes.

 

Niner, don't get sensitive. Everyone thinks the Kings deserve a place in the NHL. Nobody would dispute that. However, true hockey fans know it doesn't belong where it's been put in the mid to late 90s.

[Guest]

The NHL needed more teams. The northern cities did not have the financial structure in place to support them, so down south is where they had to go. I can't find the attendance figures on ESPN, so fuck them. Ruined what I was going to say, those fucking assholes did. The only city that the NHL expanded (not relocated) into during the late 90's that didn't deserve a team was Nashville. Miami does not deserve a team, Phoenix does not deserve a team and the Raleigh area does not deserve a franchise. The Anaheim and Florida situations are irreversible, and there are good and bad things about both. Okay, there probably isn't anything good about the Panthers, but there are some good things about the Ducks. Hate to say it, but it's true. My point is that the northern teams are just as fucked up as the southern ones, and in most cases it's worse. Especially within the organization, which is more important than the numbers at the gate. The Kings really had nothing to do with the subject, or my defending the southern teams. Probably because they're traditionally one of the fucked up ones. The Thrashers are making waves in their community. I think that was a great addition to the league.

 

To note, the Blues had a terrible year at the gate this year and a not so great one last year. I think they had the worst attendance of anyone outside of the tri-state area. Does anyone talk about moving them? Hell no. The Islanders and their building are the joke of the league, but since they have a few Cups, moving them is tantamount to sacrilege. In my opinion, when looking at relocation, the Islanders should be the first team to head out of town. That's your Hartford franchise, right there!

 

The players like Glen Wesley and Rod Brind'Amour deserve Cups. That can't be disputed. Where they win them does not matter to me. Would I liked to have seen them win it with the Whalers and Flyers? Hell yeah.

[CanadianGuitarist 0]

I guess the Conservative party leader in Manitoba is saying that if he's elected, he promises to bring the Jets back.

Nice sentiment, but I don't see how he could possibly follow through on that.

 

You'll notice my restraint in saying anything negative about the Tories' platform and ideology.

 

It is a nice idea, but I don't see any team moving, and Bettman has been pretty adamant about no further expansion.