Title Shakeup

[Tony149 0]

This topic seems to pop up once every year or so, but after recent conversations with KC and Patty, I’m not the only one who thinks we have too many titles. The X-title probably should’ve been retired after Sandman9000 quit in 2004, and how much more can we really do with the 24/7 title? HI-YAH, originally created to pad the accomplishments of Black T, took on a life of its own and spawned additional titles. So I suggest we do something about this.

 

Patty seems to think merging the X and Heartland titles is the best way to go, with HL coming out on top. The more I think about it the more I agree. Merging the titles shouldn’t be much of a problem considering KC controls the character that is currently X-Champion.

 

The 24/7 title is either dropped in favor of a new title or becomes the #2 belt in the OAOAST. I lean towards the latter. The OAOAST is the main prize in the fed, so we can paint 24/7 as being the title that prepares you for what life as the champion will be like if you ever make it that far or something along those lines.

 

The tag titles are merged to create the One & Only World tag team championship. We could do the same with the OAOAST and HI-YAH World titles but I’m not sure if that’s something Zack would consider.

 

I’m a bit torn on the 6-man tag titles. I think we have enough characters to form legit 6-man combos and not just makeshift teams, and since the belts are rarely defended anyway they wouldn’t be so much of a hassle to keep around.

 

If all this is O.K’d both feds are left with 3 titles.

 

OAOAST Championship

24/7 title

One & Only World tag title

 

WDW Title

Heartland title

WDW tag titles

 

So what do you guys think?

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

Uh...not to sound like an egomaniac, but I felt like PRL's 24/7 Title reign did a good job of making the 24/7 Title the second most sought after title in the OAOAST.

 

Either way, I strongly oppose absolving the 24/7 Title because I've got plans in the works that will see to it that it becomes our version of the Intercontinental Title.

 

I don't know about absolving the X-Division Title either. I think we've got enough wrestlers to have a good enough X-Division in the first place. Besides, how sad is it that Dance Dance Dragon finally wins a belt in the OAOAST, only for it to disappear. Can't the Heartland Title just become sole property of WDW?

 

Merging the tag titles sounds good to me. I'm also kind of hesitant of merging both World Titles. Although it doesn't really make much sense to have a HI-YAH World Heavyweight Title but not a HI-YAH World Tag Team Title. Speaking of which, whatever happen to the HI-YAH Jr. Heavyweight Title?

 

Personally, I say we just get rid of the Six-Man Titles. I never really was a fan of them, to be honest.

 

And don't forget about the OAOAST Women's Title! It'll be defended. Trust me. I've got some ideas about that too.

Edited June 9, 2007 by Ed Wood Caulfield

[Zack Malibu 0]

The Six Man titles managed to gain some momentum as part of the Wildcards/GPX feud, very much how the Von Erichs/Freebirds feud was fueled by the WCCW 6 Man Titles. Much like World Class, however, now they're back to being vanity belts for random combinations of characters, although with The Hooligans, The Lightning Crew and The Enterprise, they could easily be used for a feud of some kind.

 

I would say that the 24/7 Title be the secondary title, since there are different twists you can take with it. In other words, it's not "just a belt".

 

I wouldn't merge the HI-YAH belts (unless we came up with a storyline where Anglesault bought out HI-YAH in the sense of taking our fed global), but rather cut back on their use?

[King Cucaracha 0]

Nobody aside from me and Patty seems to remember the 24/7 Title is supposed to be the Attitude Era Hardcore Title, which is a gimmick belt. I only ever used the 24/7 Title as a secondary title begrudgingly. Again, as I've said to other people, Todd Pettingill and Mackenzie DeCenzo are on the title's lineage for crying out loud. The fact that it goes from 'comedy prop' to 'secondary title' and back again so many times has always secretly bugged the hell out of me, even if I've been responsible for it a couple of times, in the lack of an actual secondary title.

 

I'm fine with it being the #2 belt. Some clarification would be nice though. If we're doing the 24/7 gimmick, it's not a 'proper' secondary title and shouldn't be treated as such. If we're not doing the 24/7 gimmick, which judging by Cross and EWC's last two 24/7 matches is the case, then it probably needs to be renamed.

 

 

As far as the X-Division title... again, the name is all screwed up. We don't HAVE an 'X-Division'. We never really have. I'm more than happy to see it merged away. DDD is about #7 on my list of characters that interest me list right about now and I'm not going to get around to having him do anything with the belt anyway. Considering we have about 8 titles and 3/4 matches a show, we really need to get rid of at least one. And if the X-Title was worth using then it'd be used right now.

 

 

Also, I'm torn on the HI-YAH belts. If there's any belts we can get away with being 'background' belts, then it's them. I know Patty's keen on doing the merger with the tag titles. I guess in theory, if the HI-YAH Tag Titles go then the 6-Man Titles can take their 'spot'.

 

Having HI-YAH 'bought out' by OAOAST makes sense (I think that's what Patty pitched to me anyway), I'd be open to coming off the fence if there's enough support for it. Let's face it, like the X-Division Title, if the HI-YAH World Title was worth using then it'd be used right now.

 

 

So, that leaves us with:

 

OAOAST Championship

One & Only World Tag Championships

24/7 Championship (pending renaming??)

OAOAST 6-Man Tag Team Championships

OAOAST Women's Championship

 

WDW World Title

Heartland Title

WDW Tag Team Titles

[Tony149 0]

Much like World Class, however, now they're back to being vanity belts for random combinations of characters, although with The Hooligans, The Lightning Crew and The Enterprise, they could easily be used for a feud of some kind.

 

Exactly my point. The 6-man tag belts can be useful. Unless plans have changed, and they haven't to my knowledge, we'll be seeing a lot more of the 6-man title in coming weeks. And the next contenders won't be 3 guys thrown together at random, they'll have their reasons for joining forces.

 

KC explained my beef with the 24/7 and X titles perfectly, specifically 24/7. With a name like that you know it's a gimmick, so we either got to follow it or change the name.

 

While seaching the forum last night for past title merge topics I stumble upon the original concept behind the X-Title, as written by Zack sometime in 2004.

 

The deal in the beginning would be that the champion would get to pick a certain stipulation for his matches, and the contenders had to agree. Every new champion would see a new "gimmick" used. (ex:SS used Iron Man, Sandman used Barbed Wire, etc.).

 

Concerning HI-YAH, I forgot to mention it would be announced the OAOAST bought it out. Patty came up with that and is the major force behind merging the HI-YAH titles. We have so many great tag team characters we can easily get away having two titles, but as Patty explained to me, why would the OAOAST give another promotion's titles so much air time on our shows?

 

Unlike the other titles, it wouldn't be easy to merge both tag belts ASAP. It'd probably have to wait until the end of the year or done at next year's Anderson Cup.

 

The only title we'd be losing is the X. 24/7 is still up for debate.

[Patty O'Green 0]

KC, and Tony, already I know how I feel about the HI-YAH tag titles. KC, definitely does, because I wrote him a two page dissertation detailing how much I abhor their existence. I won't get into all the reasons I believe the HI-YAH tag title should be eliminated but here's the long story short. Everyone says we have a loaded tag division, and can support two belts. I don't think that's quite an accurate statement. Excluding the absentee Bruisers and Sk8r Boiz, there about eleven teams here, four of which (The Docs, Rescue 911, Los Coquestiadors, and even Los Diablos) are total jobbers. GPX is rarely featured anymore. That means only six teams are actually featured regularly. In my opinion it makes little sense to have those six teams' competitive attention be divided between two titles. If those teams have title hopes, then those hopes should be focused on the premier titles and not the second rate HI-YAH titles. The few teams who actually get to appear on "television" should be chasing down the major prize, instead of being drawn to a lesser title.

 

As KC said, I think the six man titles could easily take their “spot”. At least those belts offer a varying twist on the tag team theme, and stay towards the background. Quite unlike the HI-YAH titles which to me have always seemed pointless, redundant, unnecessary, and have occasionally muddled the issues within the tag division.

 

I feel the exact same way about the HI-YAH world title. It's an utterly useless midcard title in an e-fed that truthfully only needs one midcard title (excluding the Heartland title, obv).

 

(unless we came up with a storyline where Anglesault bought out HI-YAH in the sense of taking our fed global)

That was pretty much my exact suggestion. The OAOAST buys out the financially struggling HI-YAH in order position themselves as the dominant global sports entertainment company. I compare it to the real life example of the UFC buying the financially struggling Japanese organization Pride.

 

I've discussed the 24/7 Title with KC and Tony. The belt is really more of a comedy of errors type belt, if that's even the right phrase. In it's proper form the title is supposed to lead to chaotic, uncontrolled situations outside the ring. Obviously that doesn't usually happen. It's still possible for it to be the sole midcard belt and not comedic prop. As KC said it could probably just use a good renaming if that's the direction it needs to be taken in.

 

The X title could probably just use a swift boot to the dumpster! I agree with KC's point that there isn't an X Division to speak of. When you realize that there are 2-4 matches per show, and a small amount of midcard characters that are actually used regularly, you have to wonder if it's worth retaining multiple midcard titles. I say that it's not.

 

OAOAST Championship

One & Only World Tag Championships

24/7 Championship (pending renaming??)

OAOAST 6-Man Tag Team Championships

 

That's a perfectly acceptable arrangement. And obviously there's the women's title. There's nothing to merge that into anyway!

Edited June 9, 2007 by Patty O'Green

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

Have we ever had an International Title? If not, then I suggest renaming the 24/7 Title to that.

[Tony149 0]

For a brief time the HI-YAH tag titles were billed as International, but that only lasted a few title defense. Then the belts disappeared for a while and returned as a World title.

 

What about calling it the TSM Championship? Basically another version of the TV title but since it's not called a TV title there won't be any pressure to defend it every week.

 

And Patty has sold me on folding HI-YAH storyline wise.

Edited June 10, 2007 by Tony149

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

I'm not really crazy about naming a title after the board. I still like the International Championship better.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Merging the X and 24/7, while going back to the original roots of the X Title could kill two birds with one stone. You'd get the chaos originally promised with the 24/7 belt, you wouldn't disrupt the lineage of the X Title, and it gives an added twist to holding the belt rather than just having it be a "faceless" championship.

 

I wouldn't name a belt after the forum either. Maybe the Internet Championship?

[Patty O'Green 0]

And Patty has sold me on folding HI-YAH storyline wise.

 

Yay! Yay! Yay!!! I'll respond to your PM sometime after game two is over.

 

lolololol@ u fgts. You do realize the entire fed is named after a message board poster who devoted twenty thousand posts to the Yankees, Kurt Angle, and Test.

 

For real, I think Tony suggested TSM Championship, because TSM is supposed to be the name of the network the show comes on.

 

I don't know, you could rename it the American Title, but that sounds kind of like Heartland Title in a way. International is fine. We've already had North American, or else I would suggest that. Internet sounds pretty unique.

[Tony149 0]

Pretty good idea Zack -- merging the X and 24/7 titles. We'd be following tradition by merging another belt into the X title.

 

BTW, kudos to all for a great discussion. It's the most lively the place has been in a long time, and minus the drama that usually accompanied it!

Edited June 10, 2007 by Tony149

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

When would we go ahead with the change? Because, what happened last Thursday between Cuban Wall and Colombian Heat is the start of a feud over what is currently the 24/7 Title.

 

And even if we merge the X-Division and 24/7 Titles, I still like the idea of a name change.

Edited June 11, 2007 by Ed Wood Caulfield

[Zack Malibu 0]

The GAB would be as good a place as any. Unless you guys want to stretch something out until Angleslam.

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

So, we agree? The 24/7 Titles and X-Division Titles will be merged into a brand new belt?

 

Because if that's the case, a storyline idea just popped into my head. Can we possibly hold off on merging the belts till after AngleSlam?

Edited June 11, 2007 by Ed Wood Caulfield

[alfdogg 0]

Currently, Felix Strutter is being announced as the OAOAST and WDW Heartland champion. Originally, I was going to have him drop the OAOAST belt this Sunday and then let you guys do whatever with it on HD, but I've come up with a new plan now for AngleSlam to merge the two belts.