Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Just updating a Titles spreadsheet thing I've been working on, and wanted to be clear on a few things One is, how many different wrestlers have won the title under different "gimmicks" not a different name change ala Hunter Hearst Helmsley/Triple H or Rocky Miavia/The Rock (yes I know neither won a tag title under the original moniker, but they did win IC belts) where only the official name of the character changed but not the entire gimmick. So far I can only think of is Mankind/Dude Love/Cactus Jack (Foley really did make all three unique and different characters) and Mike Rotoundo/IRS Anyone think of others? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Smokin' Gunns Billy Gunn/"Bad Ass" Billy Gunn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Does it count that Edge and Christians wore the Conquistador gear and won them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Mind if I ask what the story on this spreadsheet is? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Does it count that Edge and Christians wore the Conquistador gear and won them? So did the Hardys, no I'm not counting either because they were revealed rather quickly Also despite Billy Gunn using a different gimmick, he still used the "Billy Gunn" name in the three different Tag Title winning gimmicks actually Smoking Gunns DX/New Age Outlaws (granted he was an NAO before DX) Half of the Ambigously Gay "Oh we really aren't gay its all an act" Duo with Chuck Palumbo He also won the KOR as the Assman Billy Gunn (King Ass) and the IC as "The One" Billy Gunn (What the HELL was that anyway? A rip on Luger's "The Total Package" or something?) Re-tooling a character is one thing (Ringmaster/Stone Cold, Rocky/Rock, Helmsley/Triple H), changing how you look and act is another (Sting, JBL), but what Billy Gunn went through is downright crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 How about Rikishi? Won them as Headshrinker Fatu, then later as Rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Mind if I ask what the story on this spreadsheet is? Fun hobby I was constructing while in college, picked it up here and there, just realized that I hadn't updated the tag team titles since 2001. Basically just seeing who has been the most honored wrestlers in the WWF/WWE and such. Hence the gimmicks questions since generally the title history sites I cross reference just list the gimmick name, not the wrestler's given name or common name if it is the same guy, i.e. Mick Foley is listed as his various character names, not "Mick Foley" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 How about Rikishi? Won them as Headshrinker Fatu, then later as Rikishi. There ya go. And I think its even in Kayfabe that its the same 'Kishi right? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Young 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 There's Sean Waltman as 1-2-3 Kid and X-Pac. EDIT: Oh, and one of his partners- Hardcore Holly/Sparky Plugg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 There's Sean Waltman as 1-2-3 Kid and X-Pac. EDIT: Oh, and one of his partners- Hardcore Holly/Sparky Plugg. Right forgot about X-Pac because, well X-Pac sucks! Ehem... FWIW Sparky Plugg actually is listed in the aforementioned site as "Bob Holly" interestingly enough wrestling-titles.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDevilAndGodAreRagingInsideMe 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Sugar Shane Helms (WCW)/Hurricane? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Okay, my count is as of 7/2/07 there are 212 different persons to hold at least one of the recongized tag belts on WWWF/WWF/WWE programing WWWF US Tag from 1957-1967 which was abandoned due to then champ Bruno Sammartino winning the Heavyweight belt WWWF International Tag from 1969-1971 except for a run by Tatsymi Fujinami & Kengo Kimura in 1985 who beat Dick Murdoch and Adrian Adonis for the title as part of New Japan's partnership with the WWF WWWF/WWF/WWE World Title that we all know and love since 1971 The Smackdown! Tag belts The WCW tag belts starting with Natural Born Thrillerz (Chuck Palumbo/Sean O'Haire) reign untill the Unification match at Survivor Series The NWA World Tag that changed hands twice on WWF TV as part of Jim Cornette's NWA angle which featured The Rock & Roll Express losing it to the Headbangers who then dropped it to Bob Holly and Bart Gunn as the "New Rock & Roll Express" Title was abandoned when the angle was dropped. Okay, here is the list 123 Kid/X-Pac Adrian Adonis Afa Al Costello Al Snow Andre The Giant Animal Antonio Rocca Arn Anderson Arnold Skoaland Ax Baron Mikel Scicluna Barry Windham Bart Gunn Batista Bepo Big Bossman Big John Studd Big Show Bill Miller Bill Watts Billy Gunn Billy Kidman Billy White Wolf Bob Backlund Bob Ellis Bob Holly Booker T Bradshaw Bret Hart Brian Kendrick Brian Knobbs Bruno Sammartino Brute Bernard Brutus Beefcake Bubba Ray Dudley Buddy Austin Buddy Rogers Bull Buchanan Charlie Hass Chavo Guerrero Jr. Chief Jay Strongbow Chief Morley Chip Chris Benoit Chris Jericho Chris Kaynon Chris Tolos Christian Chuck Palumbo Crash Holly Dan Basham Dan Miller Davey Boy Smith Dean Ho Deuce Diamond Dallas Page Dick Murdoch Diesel Dino Bravo Dominic Denucci Domino Don Curtis Don McClarity Doug Basham Mankind/Dude Love/Cactus Jack D-Von Dudley Earthquake Eddie Guerreo Edge Eugene Faarooq Geeto Gene Kiniski Goldust Gorilla Monsoon Grand Master Sexay Great Scott Greg Valentine Haku Hawk Haystacks Calhoun Henry O. Godwinn Hulk Hogan Hurricane Iron Sheik Ivan Putski Jack Lanza Jacques Rougeau Jeff Hardy Jeff Jarrett Jerry Graham Jerry Saggs Jerry Valiant Jim Neidhart Jimmy Valiant Joey Mercury John Cena John Heidenreich John Tolos Johnny Barend Johnny Jeter Johnny Nitro Johnny Valentine Johnny Valiant Jules Strongbow Kane Karl Gotch Karl Pierre Oulette Ken Shamrock Kengo Kimura Kenny Dykstra Kenzo Suzuki Killer Kowalski Moondog King King Curtis Iaukea Kurt Angle Lance Cade Lance Storm Larry Zybsko Lou Albano Lou Bastien Louis Cerdan Luke Graham Mabel Mark Lewin Marty Jannetty Matt Hardy Mich Mitchell Miguel Perez Mike Rotundo/Irwin R. Schyster Mikey Mondo Mitsu Arakawa Mo Mosh Mr. Fuji Mr. Saito Nickey Nemeth Nikolai Volkoff Owen Hart Pat Barrett Paul London Pedro Morales Phinneus I. Godwinn Randy Orton Red Bastien Rene Goulet Renee Dupree Moondog Rex Rey Mysterio Jr Ric Flair Rick Martel Rick Steiner Ricky Morton Rico Rikishi Fatu Road Dogg Jesse Jammes Rob Conway Rob Van Dam Robert "Mulligan" Windham Robert Gibson Rocky Johnson Roddy Piper Rosey Roy Heffernan Samu Scott Steiner Scotty 2 Hotty Sean O'Haire Shawn Michaels Shelton Benjamin Sika Skip Skull Murphy Smash Smasher Sloan Sonny King Spike Dudley Spiros Arion Moondog Spot Stone Cold Steve Austin Sylvian Grenier Tajiri Tarzan Tyler Tatsymi Fujinami Tazz Ted DiBiase Terry Funk Test The Dynamite Kid The Goodfather The Rock Thrasher Tito Santana Tony Altimore Tony Atlas Tony Garea Tony Marino Tony Parsi Toru Tanaka Trevor Murdoch Triple H Tully Blanchard Typhoon Undertaker Victor Rivera Vittorio Argentina Apollo Waldo Von Erich William Regal Yokozuna Yukon Eric Yukon Pierre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 BTW, the leader with most times holding a specific belt is Raven with 26 Hardcore titles. The leader for non-joke singles titles is Moolah with 8 Womens titles (one as Slave Girl and another as Spider Lady) and Chris Jericho with 8 IC Title reigns (includes his sharing with Chyna) I believe Edge leads the tag race with 12 but I'm working on that list right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2007 Yup, its Edge, followed by Billy Gunn, Kane, Bubba and D-Von all with 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foleyfanforever88 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 Yup, its Edge, followed by Billy Gunn, Kane, Bubba and D-Von all with 10. Christian has 10 too, doesn't he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 Yup, its Edge, followed by Billy Gunn, Kane, Bubba and D-Von all with 10. Christian has 10 too, doesn't he? 9; 7 with Edge (all WWF belts (currently on Raw of course) both are 2nd all time to the Dudley's 10 different tag titles and 8 WWF tag titles) 1 each with Lance Storm and Chris Jericho And yes this includes their Los Conquistador "run" Edge also has titles with Chris Benoit (2) Rey Mysterio Jr, Hulk Hogan and Randy Orton Billy Gunn won with Road Dogg (5), Bart (3), and Chuck Palumbo (2) Kane won with Undertaker (3), Mankind (2), X-Pac (2), Hurricane, RVD, and The Big Show Neither Dudley won a tag title without each other Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 BTW, The Dudleys/Team 3D have 8 more titles from ECW and, I guess you have to say two more in TNA since they have new belts now since the split. With Animal winning a title sans Hawk I wonder if that total of 20 is the most of any tag team champions without one of its members winning a championship belt with a different partner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 4, 2007 Another inneresting tidbit, 111 (I also counted El Gran Hamada/Perro Aguayo's UWA reign when it was part of the WWF as well, neither men are listed in that 200+ list I posted above) men have held a tag belt just once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Whats the count on Booker T and if possible how many won without Stevie Ray? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pochorenella 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 BTW, the leader with most times holding a specific belt is Raven with 26 Hardcore titles. The leader for non-joke singles titles is Moolah with 8 Womens titles (one as Slave Girl and another as Spider Lady) and Chris Jericho with 8 IC Title reigns (includes his sharing with Chyna) I only count 7 IC reigns for Jericho: Won it from Chyna (1) Co-reign with Chyna (2) Won it from Benoit (3) Won it from Benoit (4) Won it from RVD (5) Won it from RVD(6) Won it from Christian (Title was held up)(7) Any other I'm missing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 62 Chris Jericho 1/23/2000 New York Royal Rumble Beat Chyna and Bob Holly in Triple Threat match for sole posession Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2007 Whats the count on Booker T and if possible how many won without Stevie Ray? 4 on WWF TV, won the "WCW" belts with Test in September of 01 and then the two won the WWF belts about a month later. He also won with Goldust and RVD Harlem Heat was a 10 time WCW World Tag champions, the aforementioned 4 would be the only titles Booker has won without Stevie Ray Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruiserKC 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2007 Getting back to the original thread here... Jeff/Matt Hardy, as themselves and before that as the New Freebirds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve J. Rogers 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Getting back to the original thread here... Jeff/Matt Hardy, as themselves and before that as the New Freebirds. I don't think they ever officially called themselves "The New Freebirds" on official WWF merchandise and TV graphics. Oh sure Michael P. Hayes was their manager and all but I think they were still just Matt & Jeff Hardy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
