Jena school case

[Guest Mos_Def]

Calm the fuck down...the last line was in jest and it wasnt meant to be taken literally. I was joking, unlike the Jena school officials and prosecutors.

 

The spirit of the last line was this, something needs to be done. Obviously the fine people in Jena arent going to do whats right on their own....The fuck we should let these kids' lives twist in the wind at the mercy of these racists. Jena isnt shy about dehumanizing and unfairly penalizing kids who are the wrong color, so why should black people be shy.

[Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0]

That'd be like me being indifferent or okay with cancer. Nothing I can do about it outside myself, it's a fact of life that ain't going away.

 

No, you can teach other people to be better about how they go about things in their lives ie: racial issues. They in turn can teach more people etc. Only works if someone smart starts the ball rolling though. Lot of effort. Fuck it, let's go ride bikes instead.

 

Anyway, racism is shit, but this whole problem is not shocking at all to me, especially in such a small community. A lot of times cultures mix about as well as oil and water, and since it looks like the white people of that community are very set in some...traditional value systems, it's going to be hard to coexist with a black population. What makes it harder for the black people there is that they are a vast minority. I feel terrible for these kids because they've really had no hand in causing any of this hatred between the two cultures in their little school.

 

Was I the only one that found the noose "prank" to be both a cruel, and hilarious joke?

[MrRant 0]

It's amazing that stories like this exist, yet tune into Fox News and I bet they are broadcasting stories about the "War on Christmas" Not that the other cable news channels should get off lightly....

 

Well, there is a quasi War on Christmas.

[Brett Favre 0]

I think they should call up Andrei Kirilenko to do what's right. I bet he has a strong sense of right and wrong.

 

 

Hey, according to John Amaechi, AK-47 was the one guy who knew he was gay. Not just that but AK-47 didn't have a problem with it! He's truly a man who can solve our nation's problems.

 

Kirilenko is pretty understanding. He keeps in touch with guys in Sloan's doghouse.

[Jingus 0]

The fuck we should let these kids' lives twist in the wind at the mercy of these racists. Jena isnt shy about dehumanizing and unfairly penalizing kids who are the wrong color

Yeah, those poor innocent kids who got suckered into gang-beating the shit out of one guy til he was hospitalized, we need to help the real victims in this case, RODNEY KING DAMMIT.

 

Of course the sentences were unfair and out of proportion to their crime, but but it's not like they're innocent bystanders being framed for something they didn't do.

[Ripper 0]

You can't be seroius.

 

I am sorry but you call a group of black kids niggers, taunting them because you were part of a group that jumped one of them at a off campus party the previous weekend, you should expect to get beat up. Its fucking highschool. Fights happen all the time.

 

The exact same community saw fit to give slight sentences to the group that jumped the black kid is now trying these kids with conspiracy and were charging them with attempted murder. When the kid was at a school function a couple of hours later. THat is a bunch of bullshit and you know it.

 

If you can possibly look at this case and pretend like these kids are being the victims of a corrupt system then you are a idiot.

[Jingus 0]

Not saying it's fair, at all. Just saying you shouldn't expect to be able to beat someone up and get away with it. Especially if you're black and live in a racist town, how dumb do you have to be to attack a white guy in front of witnesses when you know most likely that they're going to lock you up and throw away the key? It's sort of like being a hot girl walking around dark alleys at night in a bad part of town. Morally you've done nothing wrong, but don't be surprised if you turn up assaulted.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

No one expects them to "get away with it." However, your justification--that they should know better--reeks of latent racism and active ignorance. You're speaking out both sides of your mouth.

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

It's sort of like being a hot girl walking around dark alleys at night in a bad part of town. Morally you've done nothing wrong, but don't be surprised if you turn up assaulted.

Another fine outing for Jingus!

[EricMM 0]

Seriously Jingus.

 

PS Czech really mined that strata of Boardum for some serious gold...poor Ed.

[Ripper 0]

Okay. Blacks should answer racist taunts and beatings at the hands of racist whites with some "yahsuh boss" and let it go and women should wear wear sweat suits all the time. Baggy sweat suits. I am sure that will bring a end to racial injustice and rape.

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

bitchnigger had it comin'

[Jingus 0]

Okay. Blacks should answer racist taunts and beatings at the hands of racist whites with some "yahsuh boss" and let it go

How about just not breaking the law and giving their persecutors the excuse they wanted? They sure as hell shouldn't answer that stuff in the form of beating a dude six-on-one in front of a shitload of witnesses. What, they didn't think they'd be arrested? The town is obviously run by racist motherfuckers, they didn't think they'd be convicted and have the book thrown at them in sentencing? Like I ALREADY said, they certainly don't deserve the ludicrously disproportionate penalties that they're now suffering, but they were dumb to place themselves in such a position at all. You can't just take the law into your own hands vigilante-styles, period.

[Ripper 0]

Okay, so why aren't you taking the same stance on taunting a group of black guys, by yourself, with racist taunts about one of them getting beat up at a party by a group of whites?

 

Wouldn't that fall under the window of "should have been smarter"?

 

And on top of that there are witnesses that says that only 3 of the guys hit him. Then there are the ones that say more than 6.

 

This isn't vigilante action. This is life. you say some insulting shit to people expect to get your ass kicked. You know that, I know that and that kid who started this shit knew that.

 

Your first post was refuting that these kids aren't the victims in this case because they got in a fight. Despite that their lives are trying to be taken from them.

 

Are you suggesting that the best thing to do is continue out life being threatened, assaulted and demeaned like it was 1940? Goddamn dude, eventually anyone is going to have a breaking point.

[Jingus 0]

And they lost control, acted emotionally, and are now being fucked over as a direct result. It may have been the natural response, but it sure as hell wasn't the smart one.

 

As to the white guy: of course it's stupid to shout slurs at a group of other-raced people. The difference is, it's not illegal. He technically had a constitutional right to do it.

 

Of course nobody should just go "oh well, dems da breaks boss" and forget about this. But don't break the law, especially when your enemies are the ones in power to enforce those laws. Do it like MLK, not like Malcolm X.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Your inspiring "they should have known it wasn't the smart response" argument seems to be the standard for conduct you're setting. In that case, then the group of white kids who beat up the black kid in the first place were smart and did the right thing, because they knew they wouldn't be punished. Just shrugging off the double-standard, as you appear to be doing, and saying "that's life in Jena!" has to be one of the more retarded lines of thought I've seen in some time.

[Ripper 0]

And they lost control, acted emotionally, and are now being fucked over as a direct result. It may have been the natural response, but it sure as hell wasn't the smart one.

 

As to the white guy: of course it's stupid to shout slurs at a group of other-raced people. The difference is, it's not illegal. He technically had a constitutional right to do it.

 

Of course nobody should just go "oh well, dems da breaks boss" and forget about this. But don't break the law, especially when your enemies are the ones in power to enforce those laws. Do it like MLK, not like Malcolm X.

 

 

MLK broke the laws and got arrested too.

 

Malcom X didn't break any laws in his "Malcom X" days and was never arrested.

[Jingus 0]

In that case, then the group of white kids who beat up the black kid in the first place were smart and did the right thing, because they knew they wouldn't be punished.

Smart? Maybe. I don't know if they went into it with the premeditated notion that "he's black, we're white, we shouldn't see jail time". Right? Absolutely not. In moral terms, they had every "right" to whip that guy's ass, but was it worth getting an inevitably draconian prison sentence over it?

 

I'm not saying either the guy who got beaten, the white guys who did the previous beating, or any of the people involved in the trials are in the right. They're not. They've obviously racist shitheels who are manipulating a corrupt system for their own purpose. My point here is that in this town, laws and ethics obviously are only on a nodding relationship, and right doesn't equal smart.

 

MLK broke the laws and got arrested too.

 

Malcom X didn't break any laws in his "Malcom X" days and was never arrested.

Okay, bad example.

 

Yes, this should absolutely receive a ton of media coverage (even though that doesn't always work, West Memphis Three...) Yes, this town should be covered in protestors like an Ani Difranco concert is covered in lesbians. But obviously if you break the law within city limits and you're black, the good ol' boys down at the po-lice station are gonna give you some good ol' fashioned Southern "justice". So don't break the law. You already know that if you give them any excuse, they're gonna fuck you up.

[EricMM 0]

Jingus, what is the fucking point of you going, "Oh well, that's life"?

 

Even if the black kids were stupid in doing what they did, which you seem to be implying that they were doing simply by being black and in Jena, don't give the situation that easy out.

 

Stop blaming the victim. Their prison sentences are just as illegal as the beating that white guy took. Cruel and unusual indeed. You've gotta stand up for people being stupid in the wrong place and doing the right thing.

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

Hey, Jingus, maybe you should limit your gas station intellectualism to the board you founded to avoid TSM.

[Jingus 0]

I'm saying if they'd never committed felonious assault in the first place, this particular issue wouldn't exist. Were they provoked? Absolutely. Is it a miscarriage of justice? Absolutely. Are the people in charge here racist? Absolutely. Is racism bad? Absolutely. Are the sentences excessive? Absolutely. Do they deserve to be appealed and overturned? Absolutely. Do the people involved deserve to be fired for corruption and incompetence? Absolutely. Should there be crowds of protestors screaming against this travesty? Absolutely. Does the town deserve to be lambasted in the media? Absolutely. Does all that make it a good idea for a black person to beat up a white one in a town controlled by white racists? Absolutely not.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Jingus is a brilliant philosopher-king. I resign.

[Jingus 0]

I really don't understand the scorn here, or the mischaracterizing of what I've said. I never once said that any of the crackers in this were in the right, or that racism is acceptable, or that any of this makes sense. I just don't see how it's a good idea for a minority to attack the majority in an illegal manner where there's nothing to gain and lots to lose. I'm sure emotions were running high, I'm sure the prick was throwing around the n-word like Tarantino, but there's still no good reason for them to have beaten the dude when others were watching and there's no possible way they could've gotten away with it.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

As to the white guy: of course it's stupid to shout slurs at a group of other-raced people. The difference is, it's not illegal. He technically had a constitutional right to do it.

 

Incorrect.

 

[Jingus 0]

The most recent update in that doctrine was fifteen years ago... in which they said that cross-burning was perfectly legal.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

That's only because the city ordinance only regulated only certain content of speech. Fighting words still do not constitute protected speech.

[Jingus 0]

But since the aforementioned local racists in this incident would never even attempt to bring a Fightin' Words case against a white kid, it's a moot point.

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

My point was that the kid's racial epithets were not constitutionally protected speech, as you claimed they were.

[Guest Gym Class Fallout]

Jingus is a brilliant philosopher-king. I resign.

Real philosophers wear velcro shoes.

[Jingus 0]

Hey assburger, you got anything resembling a point to add to the discussion instead of gratuitous snark?

 

My point was that the kid's racial epithets were not constitutionally protected speech, as you claimed they were.

Alright, so it might not be, but that's just one small insignificant detail which doesn't matter. I'm still trying to fathom why you guys seem to think that beating up a guy in front of witnesses in a hostile environment is a wise smart.