Guest Tzar Lysergic Posted March 17, 2008 Report Posted March 17, 2008 Ray Guy, for one. 1st round draft pick; He punted some 600+ times before having one blocked and NEVER had one returned for a TD. I'm not suggesting he should get in before a spectacular QB or whoever, but punting is important, and greats should be recognized. I saw Sean Landeta and Jeff Feagles mentioned earlier. How about Darren Bennett? For linemen, Bruce Matthews, Gene Upshaw, Art Shell, and Anthony Munoz come to mind immediately being in the HOF. Potential guys? Tough call. Had Orlando Pace stayed healthy, he'd be in consideration in my opinion. Going back a bit, how about a couple of the anchors of the 90's Dallas squads? Newton, Williams, or Tuinei? That line arguably was the single most important, and maybe most talented, part of that team, opening holes for Emmitt and giving Aikman time to throw.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted March 17, 2008 Report Posted March 17, 2008 Speaking of the Hall of Fame, why the fuck are no punters in there? How important is a specialist in the grand scheme of things? To put it in a perspective you might better understand, what's the value of a relief pitcher in baseball or a good bench in basketball? Extremely important, or as Agent put it, ask Scott Norwood. Punting can win or lose a game. For reference, see the Green Bay Packers/Chicago Bears second game from this past season in Chicago. The punting turned what otherwise might have been just a close loss or whatever into an absolute blowout. Several other games, particularly defensively minded ones, are won entirely on special teams, and having a punter that can kill the ball when you have an ineffective offense (or are up against an amazing defense) is very helpful, and can be the difference in a game. I'll grant you it is important, and I would relate it to a relief pitcher or bench player in baseball. The problem is, are we really going to rush to put those guys in the Hall of Fame? Jesse Orosco is probably the greatest non-closer reliever of all time, watch how many votes he gets next year. Maybe 1-2%. Spot on. On that note, since I think "Who's the most deserving not in the Hall" was already asked, who's the least deserving player that is in? Any sport. CanadianChris mentioned Rabbit Maranville. Maranville was a borderline choice, he is difficult to categorize because he was seen much as a team leader. He was the top glove man of his era, the starting shortstop on two different championship teams. For what it's worth, his range factor is the highest all time among shortstops. The worst player in Baseball's Hall of Fame is almost certainly George Kelly. The only reason Kelly was in was because he played next to Frankie Frisch, who as Veterans Committee chairman decided practically all of his old teammates were Hall worthy. Of the sixteen Frisch teammates elected as players, five are legit (using BTF's Hall of Merit as a point of reference). Boxing has some poor choices in their Hall. Jess Willard is in, he has one good win to his credit over his entire career, and many people think Jack Johnson threw that one.
KingPK Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 (edited) I was watching the historical highlights available on March Madness On Demand and a question came to mind: In 1983 against Houston, what the fuck was NC State trying to do in the final 30 seconds? All they were doing is throwing the ball around the parimeter before one guy realizes there's a few seconds left and throws it up from near halfcourt. Luckily, his teammate was there to put it in. I mean, was that the worst play that actually worked out in history? Edited March 19, 2008 by KingPK
Cheech Tremendous Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 I was watching the historical highlights available on March Madness On Demand and a question came to mind: In 1983 against Houston, what the fuck was NC State trying to do in the final 30 seconds? All they were doing is throwing the ball around the parimeter before one guy realizes there's a few seconds left and throws it up from near halfcourt. Luckily, his teammate was there to put it in. I mean, was that the worst play that actually worked out in history? Wasn't the game tied when NC State took possession? The idea would be to run down the clock to the last few seconds and take away Houston's opportunity to win the game on their final possession. Hurling the ball from 30 feet probably wasn't the way the coach drew it up, but a bad shot with no time left is better than a good shot with 5 or 10 seconds left.
Guest Beastalentier Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Here's a question: has any school gone from a perennial contender to completely out of the college basketball consciousness like the University of Houston?
Cheech Tremendous Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Providence, Temple, Cincinnati, Michigan
King Kamala Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Holy Cross was a powerhouse back in the late 40s and early 50s in the days of Bob Cousy and Tommy Heinsohn. Even won a National Championship at one point.
CanadianChris Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 I was watching the historical highlights available on March Madness On Demand and a question came to mind: In 1983 against Houston, what the fuck was NC State trying to do in the final 30 seconds? All they were doing is throwing the ball around the parimeter before one guy realizes there's a few seconds left and throws it up from near halfcourt. Luckily, his teammate was there to put it in. I mean, was that the worst play that actually worked out in history? Wasn't the game tied when NC State took possession? The idea would be to run down the clock to the last few seconds and take away Houston's opportunity to win the game on their final possession. Hurling the ball from 30 feet probably wasn't the way the coach drew it up, but a bad shot with no time left is better than a good shot with 5 or 10 seconds left. The plan was always for Whittenburg to take the last shot, since it was a tie game and V didn't want to give the ball back to Houston in regulation. The pass to him was almost stolen away, though, and by the time he got the ball back under control, there wasn't enough time for him to do anything but throw up the prayer from where he was standing. The luckiest thing about that play from NC State's perspective was that Akeem had his back to the basket ready to pull down the rebound, never saw it fall short, and so never even contested Lorenzo Charles' dunk.
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Off-topic, but I keep getting you 2 guys mixed up when I see your avatars. 1 of you needs to change. EDIT - that was to King & Czech.
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 If I'd known you were going to jump at my command, I would've asked for some money or something.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Holy Cross was a powerhouse back in the late 40s and early 50s in the days of Bob Cousy and Tommy Heinsohn. Even won a National Championship at one point. You can say the same in baseball. Westward expansion hurt them more than anything.
Red Baron Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Combining the most popular sport here and least popular sport. If this does happen, how would you feel that the last game at Yankee Stadium would be a hockey game?
Cheech Tremendous Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Combining the most popular sport here and least popular sport. If this does happen, how would you feel that the last game at Yankee Stadium would be a hockey game? Granted, I'm not a Yankee fan, but I don't see what the outrage is. Who cares what the last event is? Does that in any way lessen the 80 years of history that have occurred at the stadium? Does anyone take the time to remember the last event at a major stadium? It's a trivia question and nothing else. Like if the Red Sox built a new stadium and the last event was a Billy Joel concert or something, I don't think I'd care at all.
Brett Favre Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 The last event in Yankee Stadium should be WrestleMania 25. I don't mind a Ranger game though.
Guest Tzar Lysergic Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Who's in your final four in your pool with the most money on the line, or "prestige" if you're a friggin' Mormon or something and aren't gambling. Mine: UNC/Kansas/Texas/UCLA
Edwin MacPhisto Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Same, except my money pool has Tennessee instead of UNC. We have 15 people in the pool, and only Memphis, UNC, and UCLA have been picked to win the whole thing. First time I've been in one that homogeneous, particularly one that includes both die-hard fans and girls who can't name 2 conferences. Another guy and I have the exact same bracket for the entire tournament except for 4 games. Temple/MSU today was one of them. You're mine, Fred! I'll let the question carry, cause it's obviously meant for a few responses.
Cheech Tremendous Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 UNC/Texas/UCLA/Kansas It's a boring year for brackets. Mrs. Tremendous, who has never seen a college basketball game in her life, has the same Final Four as well.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Combining the most popular sport here and least popular sport. If this does happen, how would you feel that the last game at Yankee Stadium would be a hockey game? I think it's the smartest thing the NHL has done in maybe 20 years. This game is going to draw HUGE ratings. I have no issue since Yankee Stadium was not exclusively a baseball stadium. The New York Giants played there, it hosted several championship fights, even Jim Londos wrestled there.
CanadianGuitarist Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Next question: If you could apply any one facet of the pros to your own game, what would it be? Any sport, and either the pros in general or a specific one. Example: Throwing a 90 mph fastball, the precision of a Tom Brady pass from 40 yards, etc.
Red Baron Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Shot making like Tiger Woods. I can chip and putt fairly well, but my long irons are killing my golf game.
CanadianChris Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Shot making like Tiger Woods. I can chip and putt fairly well, but my long irons are killing my golf game. Seconded. Next question: What professional athlete do you think is/was the biggest underachiever during his/her career?
Slayer Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Hard to think of a specific facet to incorporate into my game, but being an ex-wrestler I'd want the championship ability of a Kurt Angle or Bruce Baumgartner Wait, I know... the ability to do the Karelin lift, even though I've never been a fan of Greco-Roman
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