milliondollarchamp Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 Dutch student Joran van der Sloot now says he was lying when he told someone privately that he'd played a role in the mysterious disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot spoke out after Dutch journalist Peter R. de Vries claimed that through his private investigation he had solved the Holloway case and that he knows the American teenager is dead. De Vries said he used a sophisticated network of hidden cameras in what he called an "undercover operation" to obtain evidence that he says "has solved the mystery" of Holloway's disappearance on May 30, 2005. De Vries' hidden cameras caught Dutch student van der Sloot saying that Holloway died after having sex with him and that he then dumped her body at sea with the help of a friend. But in a new development, van der Sloot now says that he was lying when he privately told an acquaintance that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance. "It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," Van der Sloot said on the Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman," according to The Associated Press. "That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he never fully trusted the man to whom he'd confessed. "It is so stupid, it is so stupid, it is really stupid," Van der Sloot said, his voice cracking, the AP reported. Based on de Vries evidence, the chief prosecutor in Aruba announced Thursday that he is reopening the case. De Vries also showed his findings to Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty. "She told me she kind of knew it already that Natalee wasn't alive anymore, but when you get this message it's still, yeah, a kind of relief," de Vries told ABC News. http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4235362&page=1 The guy is an idiot to fully trust someone you just met 6 months ago, with a story that could potentially ruin your life. Especially considering there was a 1 million dollar reward for the golden tip. I truly hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The Aruba government fucked this case up bad from the start. This bastard could likely walk free.
Vigo Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 Situations like these are why we need a real life version of "The Punisher" so that when the law fucks up, we've got somebody to clean up the mess.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 I can't help but think that's an awful lot of trouble to solve a case which is utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Turbo Lion Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 The thing about his story, though, is that it doesn't quite add up to Murder. I mean, I'm not defending him at all, but I'm not quite sure what they will be able to charge him with on the merits of his account. If she flipped out and died, he didn't kill her. Disposing of her as he did is... no doubt illegal, but what is it?
Nightwing Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 The thing about his story, though, is that it doesn't quite add up to Murder. I mean, I'm not defending him at all, but I'm not quite sure what they will be able to charge him with on the merits of his account. If she flipped out and died, he didn't kill her. Disposing of her as he did is... no doubt illegal, but what is it? Well, that's not necessarily true. There's been a lot of rumors about him using a date rape drug, which caused the reaction that happened. Regardless, the obstruction of justice and other charges that will arise here are going to easily be enough to put him away for life.
LaParkaMarka Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 Really, you're an expert on the Aruban legal system now Nightwing? They aren't prosecuting him in the US.
Nightwing Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 Is obstruction of justice not a crime there? That's one of those, you know, universal no-nos that you just don't see much of a variance on. Unless Aruba has a lot of wacky, wacky laws, I don't think there are going to be many differences.
LaParkaMarka Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 You can get jail time for that in a lot of countries, but I don't know if it all adds up to life. Here's an example from Canada: In one high-profile case, a female juror, Gillian Guess was convicted of obstruction of justice and sentenced to 18 months in jail for maintaining an intimate relationship with the accused, Peter Gill. If she behaved well, she would have gotten out after serving 1/3 of her sentence, so 6 months actual jail time for obstruction of justice. Not sure what Aruban law is, but even if they get him for obstruction then it could potentially be a short sentence.
Nightwing Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 True, but you also have to take into consideration the level of the crime as well in the sentencing. Covering up a possible murder (I'd probably say 3rd Degree Murder or Manslaughter) is a bit more than that. I'm sure he's committed a few others that I can't think of the name of, but I'm sure he's at least committed 3 or 4 crimes here, and with a dead girl being tossed into the sea, I think he's not going to be getting the easy way like Mrs. Conflict-of-Interest. I understand I'm not very familiar on Dutch Law, but I'm fairly sure that he'll be serving more than a hand-slap if he gets convicted. I'd guess somewhere in the 15 to 20 years if this goes good for the prosecution. But again, this is just what I'd expect with a possible homicide being involved.
Lil' Bitch Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 If he wasn't guilty of anything or had anything to hide, he would've called the cops and wouldn't have disposed of the body. Its clearly obvious Joran met Holloway at that club, took advantage of her by getting her drunk or spiking her drink, took her somewhere, raped her and / or had his two buddies join in, murdered her, and disposed of her body. The perfect crime since she was a foreigner, which makes the case even more difficult with so many legalities involved. No body = not guilty. It almost worked for Scott Peterson. Of course, Joran isn't going to admit committing murder, even if its just with one other person who could've easily ratted on him. If Joran did put a date rape drug in her drink which caused her to die, then yes he is still responsible for her death. Thank God for this reporter uncovering the "truth" and its an absolutely tragedy the worst has been confirmed and Natalee's life was cut short in a brutal manner. With all that said, Joran is a piece of shit and I hope he dies a horrible fucking death.
Atticus Chaos Posted February 6, 2008 Report Posted February 6, 2008 I don't know if I buy the 'she just died' explanation. If you're with some drunk girl and she drops dead like that, you call the police because you know whatever autopsy they do will prove you have nothing to do with it. I think the roofie scenario is likely. Even if he's not guilty of murder, aside from covering up a death he still sat back and watched her family suffer through all the uncertainty of not knowing, when he could have at least given them closure by just admitting what happened. It was either the reporter or the undercover guy that said, prison or not, he's getting a life sentence. He's going to have to live the rest of his life with this hanging over him.
Turbo Lion Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 The drug scenario makes sense to me too. How does someone just... die after sex? Unless there's some pre-existing condition that isn't public or something.
Guest Blue Man Czech Posted February 7, 2008 Report Posted February 7, 2008 The drug scenario makes sense to me too. How does someone just... die after sex? Unless there's some pre-existing condition that isn't public or something. THAT AIN'T TRUE!
Jingus Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 Sometimes people do just drop dead for no apparent reason. Very rarely, but there are enough documented cases of a healthy young person suffering a heart attack or stroke out of nowhere. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but don't say "that doesn't happen" because it occasionally does. I'm still wondering why, with the countless missing persons and murder cases in the world, this one is STILL getting so much media attention. Apparently journalists are still of the opinion that rich pretty white girls are the most important people on earth.
2GOLD Posted February 8, 2008 Report Posted February 8, 2008 I'm still wondering why, with the countless missing persons and murder cases in the world, this one is STILL getting so much media attention. Apparently journalists are still of the opinion that rich pretty white girls are the most important people on earth. Cause they get the best ratings. I doubt it has anything to do with journalists thinking they are more important, their editors/production managers know what brings ratings and what sells papers.
yankovic fan Posted February 9, 2008 Report Posted February 9, 2008 Forgive the wikipedia citation but its all pretty relevant information in one concise location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome. This is in response to Jingus and 2Gold.
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