The One And Only King Of The Ring Thread

[Guest MrRant]

And what in the hell is wrong with wanting people you like?

 

I'm all for pushing new talent, but this is too much, too soon for Brock.

What wrong with giving it a shot and saying at least its something different. Take the good with the bad. I WANT RVD to get a title shot. But I'm still happy its Brock instead of Hogan.

[Guest TheHulkster]

MrRant, come here after every Raw, Smackdown, or PPV. You will always get a group of people saying it sucks no matter what. Some shows are pretty good, but to certain people, they will still suck and always will suck. I think they have issues.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

My ratings for the show:

 

RVD/Jericho: ****

Test/Brock: *

Hurricane/Knoble: **3/4

Flair/Guererro: **1/2

Trish/Molly: **

Angle/Hogan: **1/4

Brock/RVD: 1/2*

HHH/Undertaker: DUD

[Guest MrRant]

MrRant, come here after every Raw, Smackdown, or PPV. You will always get a group of people saying it sucks no matter what. Some shows are pretty good, but to certain people, they will still suck and always will suck. I think they have issues.

I do come here. I just don't respond generally... but this just really pissed me off.

[Guest Flyboy]

My ratings for the show:

 

RVD/Jericho: ****

Test/Brock: *

Hurricane/Knoble: **3/4

Flair/Guererro: **1/2

Trish/Molly: **

Angle/Hogan: **1/4

Brock/RVD: 1/2*

HHH/Undertaker: DUD

That's pretty HORRIBLE when the Women's Title match gets ranked higher than the FUCKING King of the Ring Finals.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Im still pissed at the RVD thing like pretty much everyone on this board

Im not totally mad. I mean, I expected it from the start after Lesnar beat Test. You knew the WWE wouldn't blow off what looks to be *in their eyes* a potentially huge angle where "Brock's never been pinned/tapped".

Of course it was also predicatble that it would be a quick match because I was pretty sure Lesnar couldn't wrestle a 10 minute+ match, so the length of the match didnt really make me mad that much either.

[Guest TheHulkster]

My ratings:

RVD/Jericho: ****

Test/Brock: 1/2*

Hurricane/Knoble: *1/2

Flair/Guererro: *3/4

Trish/Molly: **

Angle/Hogan: ***

Brock/RVD: 1/2*

HHH/Undertaker: *1/2

 

I liked it, strip me of my smark badge.

[Guest Kingpk]

<<You people don't want NEW talent at the top you want only the people YOU like. Selfish bastards. >>

 

No shit Sherlock, of COURSE we want our favorites on top. Lesnar just has no personality whatsoever and they're putting him over guys with personality and experience (RVD, Booker T). This guy has been in the WWE for, what, a month and a half? Do the bookers have no fucking patience? Or is this another Vince hard-on for the big guys?

 

RVD SHOULD have gone over, and the opener tonight proved it. If the match at Summerslam goes under 5 minutes, Lesnar will look good, but there's no chance in hell of that happening. Hmm, a guy that does well in 3 minute matches, but sucks in longer ones, who does that remind you of?

 

BROCKBERGGGGG! BROCKBERGGGGG! BROCKBURGGGGG!

[Guest MrRant]

<<You people don't want NEW talent at the top you want only the people YOU like. Selfish bastards. >>

 

No shit Sherlock, of COURSE we want our favorites on top.  Lesnar just has no personality whatsoever and they're putting him over guys with personality and experience (RVD, Booker T).  This guy has been in the WWE for, what, a month and a half?  Do the bookers have no fucking patience?  Or is this another Vince hard-on for the big guys?

 

RVD SHOULD have gone over, and the opener tonight proved it.  If the match at Summerslam goes under 5 minutes, Lesnar will look good, but there's no chance in hell of that happening.  Hmm, a guy that does well in 3 minute matches, but sucks in longer ones, who does that remind you of?

 

BROCKBERGGGGG!  BROCKBERGGGGG!  BROCKBURGGGGG!

But... is Brock better than Hogan again? Yes. Take what you can get. I would have rather it have been RVD or even Jericoh but like I said but it could be worse.... A LOT worse.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I liked the show too, but only barely.

[Guest bob_barron]

I enjoyed the PPV.

 

(ducks tomatoes)

 

RVD-Jericho, Molly-Trish, Eddy-Flair, Knoble-Hurricane were all good matches.

 

Hogan tapping and seeing Angle go over was great.

 

The backstage segment made the show and Triple H-Taker wasn't that bad.

 

Thumbs Up

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

RVD/Jericho-****

Test/Brock-DUD

Hurricane/Knoble-***

Flair/Guerrero-*1/2

Trish/Molly-**

Angle/Hogan-ehhhhhh.......**

RVD/Brock-*

Undertaker/HHH-DUD

 

Overall,The-PPV-sucked-as-expected.

[Guest Incandenza]

I liked the show too, but only barely.

 

If I gave out the ratings you did, Kotzen, my thumb would be down.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"I swear to god people are never fucking happy. Even if Brock has no heat currently... do you think maybe they are trying to you know BUILD him to get some heat while pushing someone new? "

 

 

That is the backward kind of thinking that should net you a job in the WWE.

 

Push someone who isn't over...because he might get over?

 

Put him in the main event of the second biggest show of the year...despite not having any good matches too?

 

Is this Vince McMahon?

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Well, my brain automatically tries to wipe out bad memories when it comes to Pay Per Views in order to rationalize to itself spending the money, so I have yet to be as dissatisfied with a Pay Per View as I was with Backlash 2001.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

RVD/Jericho-****

Test/Brock-DUD

Hurricane/Knoble-**

Flair/Guerrero-*1/2

Trish/Molly-**

Angle/Hogan-*3/4

RVD/Brock-DUD

Undertaker/HHH-DUD

 

 

Yep...

[Guest Mattdotcom]

Hey, look at this:

 

1995-

 

Fans want exciting high-flyer Shawn Michaels to win King of the Ring because he's one of the most over wrestlers at the time. Vince pushes Mabel.

 

2002-

 

Fans want exciting high-flyer Rob Van Dam to win King of the Ring because he's one of the most over wrestlers at the time. Vince pushes Brock Lesnar.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

My ratings for the show:

 

RVD/Jericho: ****

Test/Brock: *

Hurricane/Knoble: **3/4

Flair/Guererro: **1/2

Trish/Molly: **

Angle/Hogan: **1/4

Brock/RVD: 1/2*

HHH/Undertaker: DUD

Well, I guess Im glad I didn't pay to watch it, but I didnt see it at all so Im kinda mad in that regard cause I missed RVD vs Jericho. 1 **** match at the beginning of a show and then it going downhill after that doesn't sound like a PPV I'll regret not seeing.

[Guest Flyboy]

"I swear to god people are never fucking happy. Even if Brock has no heat currently... do you think maybe they are trying to you know BUILD him to get some heat while pushing someone new? "

 

 

That is the backward kind of thinking that should net you a job in the WWE.

 

Push someone who isn't over...because he might get over?

 

Put him in the main event of the second biggest show of the year...despite not having any good matches too?

 

Is this Vince McMahon?

Hee-hee.

[Guest Human Fly]

Well, my thoughts on KOTR for anyone who cares:

 

Jericho v. RVD - Match of the night by far and should've been the KOTR final.

 

Brock v. Test - Crowd was dead. Got decent towards the end,

 

Noble v. Hurricane - Too many rest holds! If this is "WWF style" cruiser action they need to reevaluate things. The neckbreaker was awesome, but having two guys who weigh 200 pounds wrestler like they're 350 is not good. I'm glad it wasn't just a spotfest, but I personally like my crusier action a bit more fast past. I don't care if they got 15 minutes when 8 or 9 minutes of it was restholds.

 

Flair v. Eddy - Crowd was dead again. Match seemes to have no flow. It was cool to see the crossface, but I think everyone in the crowd was like ".......huh?......" when Bubba came out.

 

Molly v. Trish - I hate all the fat jokes about Molly. It'd be one thing if she was Birtha Fay-esque, but she's not. I was glad she won. Keeps the feud with Trish alive and these are the only two can put together good Women's matches

 

Angle v. Hogan - Better then I expected. I was shocked to see Hogan tap. I was expecting a gimmick boot or something like that to give an excuse for Hogan to lose to the lock, but not tap.

 

Brock v. RVD - After this match was the most dissapointed I had been about wrestling since Austin "snapped" Pillman's ankle with a chair. I don't hate Brock or anything, but I was hoping for RVD to win and go on to Summerslam.

 

HHH v. 'Taker - Even my dad noted about how dead the crowd was when he walked by. Slow and plodding until the Rock came out. I was wondering if maybe a Wrestlemania IX finish was going to go down.

 

Well, it looks like Jerico and RVD will now feud over the IC title. While it should produce some good wrestling both wrestlers should be above said title by now.

 

The WWF is all about trying to push new stars, but why not push a new star that is already over? RVD made so much more sense. Now it looks like Brock is going to get the title after they hot shot it to the Rock in a 3-way next month. Another problem with that is if Brock wins the title now, that means if he ever wins IC or Euro or anything like that he will be devalued. I remember whithin a month of his debut people were talking about how Brock might win Euro gold, people said it was too soon. Now in about six months Brock might be Undisputed Champ.

 

Bubba? I have no clue. I'll I know is that if the 4 Horseman end up getting reformed if Bubba is one of them, then that might be worse then Paul Roma.

 

Could the Rock be a transitional champ? Looks like it could be, which is ridiculous. If anything Undertaker should've recieved a nice final run with the title and dropped it to RVD at SS. He still might run with it till SS but a Brock match will have no heat.

 

Overall a dissapointing ppv for me. One stand out match and a lot of decent stuff and some not so decent stuff. Next ppv will just be a SS set up and probably only decide who jobs to Brock.

[Guest godthedog]

shitty, shitty, shitty pay-per-view. i can count the good points on 2 fingers:

 

1) the rock, goldust, & booker t cut a killer promo

 

2) hogan taps to the ankle lock

 

aside from that, everything was an extreme disappointment.

rvd & jericho looked slow and blown up & their timing was pretty fucked up.

brock/test sucked, as expected.

the pacing for helms/noble was all stop-start and never really flowed (although that top rope neckbreaker ruled the world).

i'm fully convinced that flair has no good matches left in him at this point, after about 5 minutes the man did no work at all & eddy had a hard time carrying him with all his limitations.

trish/molly was pretty damn good, actually. and SPECTACULAR for a women's match.

angle/hogan was decent, with a great fucking ending.

brock/rvd was too short to really get anything going.

taker/trips...do i even need to comment on this clusterfuck?

 

worst ppv of the year so far. but it was still worth watching, cause my friend & i were running around like little girls when hogan tapped. we also had a lot of fun pointing out the various people in the crowd during the main event (like the guy with the 'taker fears sit-ups' sign and the guys dressed up like the hardy boys).

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

Hey! My ratings are quoted the most!

 

(cups hands together and pumps them in the air)

[Guest Flyboy]

Hey, look at this:

 

1995-

 

Fans want exciting high-flyer Shawn Michaels to win King of the Ring because he's one of the most over wrestlers at the time. Vince pushes Mabel.

 

2002-

 

Fans want exciting high-flyer Rob Van Dam to win King of the Ring because he's one of the most over wrestlers at the time. Vince pushes Brock Lesnar.

If I can be optimistic for a moment (thanks Lance)...

 

If that's the case... then RVD will sooner or later win the WWE Undisputed Title! YAY!

 

Oh wait... fuck that.

 

He should have been in the Summerslam main event...

[Guest Angle-plex]

I think I would have had Test go over than Lesnar, which is very, VERY, scary.

[Guest MrRant]

"I swear to god people are never fucking happy. Even if Brock has no heat currently... do you think maybe they are trying to you know BUILD him to get some heat while pushing someone new? "

 

 

That is the backward kind of thinking that should net you a job in the WWE.

 

Push someone who isn't over...because he might get over?

 

Put him in the main event of the second biggest show of the year...despite not having any good matches too?

 

Is this Vince McMahon?

Well then how the fuck do you want him to be built? At least let them try for god's sake. Everything on earth doesn't have to go down exactly how you want it to. I am going to give them their shot to at least get him over. It very well could fail horribly, but I WANT them to get him over so that way its fresh. No one wants anyone to get over that is a new talent unless they specifically like him. People whine and cry about HHH, Taker and Hogan being in the main event, yet they try something and the guy isn't someone you would gladly take it up the ass from you get all pissed. GIVE IT A GODDAMN SHOT.

[Guest TheHulkster]

Im the same way basically. Im not going into every show expecting it to be the greatest ever, as long as i'm entertained, i'm happy. The only one I didn't like this year was No Way Out (and i'm a big Hogan Mark).

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

The-year-in-PPV'S-so-far:

 

Royal-Rumble-**

No-Way-Out-***

WrestlemaniaX-8-**

Backlash-DUD

Judgement-Day-DUD

King-Of-The-Ring-DUD

 

Quite-Impressive.

 

 

 

On-another-note,That-HHH/Nwo-skit-had-me-fooled-for-a

second.I-figured-HHH-would-win-the-title,then-join-the-NWO

the-next-night-on-Raw.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Hey, look at this:

 

1995-

 

Fans want exciting high-flyer Shawn Michaels to win King of the Ring because he's one of the most over wrestlers at the time. Vince pushes Mabel.

 

2002-

 

Fans want exciting high-flyer Rob Van Dam to win King of the Ring because he's one of the most over wrestlers at the time. Vince pushes Brock Lesnar.

I think we all know Vince has a VERY selective long term memory. The only problem is what happens after the Vince Pushes ____ part.

 

1995

Mabel got a Title match, and it sucked, but he didn't win the Title.

 

2002

Brock gets a Title match, and it will probably suck, but he's probably going

to win the Undisputed Title.

[Guest Flyboy]

Well, it looks like Jerico and RVD will now feud over the IC title. While it should produce some good wrestling both wrestlers should be above said title by now.

How can that be? They're on different shows.

 

I suspect Jerky to go straight to Edge when he gets back.

 

RVD in Midcarder Land for the time being..

[Guest SupaTaft]

Godthedog, best sig ever, almost takes my Chopper Dave one. HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!