Manitoba Greyhound Bus Murder

[At Home 0]

Innocent by insanity isn't the end of the story, keep in mind. If someone commits a crime and are found innocent by reason of insanity, it is likely that they spend most or the rest of their lives under heavy psychiatric watch.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Right. I have a friend of mine here who's been working with the psychology department, shooting videos and all that, and he went down to Salem recently to the state mental ward, where a lot of criminals who pleaded insanity in their defense to avoid jail (or because they really were nuts) are staying. He told me he met several people there, some of whom seem like fairly functioning members of society, that have to stay there indefinitely (until a review board let them leave) as opposed to prison where you have a sentence.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Lock him up and throw away the key as far as I'm concerned.

[dubq 0]

A guy I went to elementary school with was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia about 8 years ago. He takes meds, which made him gain a LOT of weight, but he's told me that whenever he's been off the meds it's like there are actually people there, sitting at the end of his bed or following him around, talking nonsense to him, and that it never stops.

[CanadianChris 0]

PETA tries to run ad comparing beheading to animal slaughter

 

What a bunch of sick, twisted fucks. Every time I think PETA can't sink any lower, something like this happens.

[Guest Vitamin X]

PETA's so retarded. They do entirely and completely the opposite of what they should do to get people to stop or cut down on eating meat.

[Atticus Chaos 0]

PETA tries to run ad comparing beheading to animal slaughter

 

What a bunch of sick, twisted fucks. Every time I think PETA can't sink any lower, something like this happens.

 

 

Uh. Look I'm all for treating animals well, and everything. But that's ridiculous. And pretty insulting to the guy's family.

 

Have PETA ever just came out and said 'Yes, we care about animals way more than humans'?

[dubq 0]

PETA tries to run ad comparing beheading to animal slaughter

 

What a bunch of sick, twisted fucks. Every time I think PETA can't sink any lower, something like this happens.

 

Seriously. This is a sad and pathetic new low, even for PETA. To try and capitalize on something that just happened the other week to further their cause? Douchebags.

 

Here's the fullsize ad:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/mani_large.jpg

[PILLS! PILLS! PILLS! 0]

Now I just wanna eat some pork.

[Guest Cal Moriarty]

I don't really pay PETA much attention, or share their ideals, but do we have to break out in mock outrage every time they do anything? Same shit every time:

 

1) "omg they're at it again OH NO!!!"

2) "This is unbelievable! How DARE they?!"

3) "Now I want to eat meat to upset them!"

 

It's not that they care more about animals than humans, it's that they care as much about animals as humans, which is oddly admirable, if not particularly pragmatic. Under that paradigm, "this man was slaughtered in the same fashion that millions of cows are slaughtered and you don't care about them" is a rather salient point, even though their fundamental belief that cows = humans is wrong and incompatible with any sort of ethical monotheism or modern lifestyle. That said, at what point do the rest of you guys tire of the PETA Indignation song and dance?

[Jingus 0]

Never. That's kind of the point. When they stop saying outrageous things, we'll stop reacting with outrage. PETA is barely a step above the Westboro Baptists in terms of publicity-seeking assholes who tirelessly crusade for a worthless cause and are really, really fun to hate.

[PUT THAT DICK IN MY MOUTH! 0]

tirelessly crusade for a worthless cause

 

I'm not sure I'd call trying to stamp out animal cruelty a wholly worthless cause, Jingus. I mean, PETA's obv. kinda annoying and overbearing, but their heart's basically in the right place. Comparing animal rights activists to bunch of totally ridiculous fag-bashers is really just incredibly stupid and small-minded.

[Jingus 0]

I don't see much difference. Peta's entire cause seems to be that people = animals, if not people < animals. Sorry, not buying it, not even taking it for free or if they paid me.

[At Home 0]

Yeah, fuck animals. If it's between us and them, we're the ones with the fucking society.

[PUT THAT DICK IN MY MOUTH! 0]

Maybe when animals develop the capacity to where velcro shoes and drink cough syrup recreationally Jingus will learn to accept them as equals.

[Jingus 0]

Ah yes, when you've got absolutely no argument whatsoever and you've completely lost, go for the pointless (and currently inaccurate) personal insults in order to distract everyone from your bullshit statements.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

Yeah, fuck animals. If it's between us and them, we're the ones with the fucking society.

 

This.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Maybe when animals develop the capacity to where velcro shoes and drink cough syrup recreationally Jingus will learn to accept them as equals.

[CanadianChris 0]

Never. That's kind of the point. When they stop saying outrageous things, we'll stop reacting with outrage. PETA is barely a step above the Westboro Baptists in terms of publicity-seeking assholes who tirelessly crusade for a worthless cause and are really, really fun to hate.

Hey, funny you should mention that...

 

Westboro Baptists attempt to picket victim's funeral

 

At least we can stop some of these pieces of shit at the border.

[Guest Cal Moriarty]

Ah yes, when you've got absolutely no argument whatsoever and you've completely lost, go for the pointless (and currently inaccurate) personal insults in order to distract everyone from your bullshit statements.

1) He does have any argument whatsoever, namely that PETA means well if not acts well

2) Given that he bothered to articulate a point while you just said they're barely better than Fred Phelps, he has not been awarded a "loss"

3) The enormity of the aforementioned comparison drags the discourse so low that you can hardly say an ad hominem is out of bounds

4) None of the declarative sentences (that is, statements) in his post:

a) I don't think animal rights is a bullshit cause

b) PETA is annoying but their heart is in the right place

c) comparing them to the Westboros is ridiculous and small-minded

appears to be bullshit.

 

In short, you've made one of the most useless posts ever. You're the shit! (For the win!)

[Guest Tzar Lysergic]

PETA gets a big shrug from me, mainly because I don't give a fuck about them or livestock.

[dubq 0]

I was a member of PETA for over 10 years and I left the organization (long before I started eating meat again, mind you) because of the rampant douchebaggery that goes on with them. Seriously, if you think their "heart is in the right place" you're so far off base it's not even funny.

 

* by member I mean worked with/for, not some schmoe who subscribed to their e-newsletter.

[Jingus 0]

1) He does have any argument whatsoever, namely that PETA means well if not acts well

2) Given that he bothered to articulate a point while you just said they're barely better than Fred Phelps, he has not been awarded a "loss"

3) The enormity of the aforementioned comparison drags the discourse so low that you can hardly say an ad hominem is out of bounds

4) None of the declarative sentences (that is, statements) in his post:

a) I don't think animal rights is a bullshit cause

b) PETA is annoying but their heart is in the right place

c) comparing them to the Westboros is ridiculous and small-minded

1. How do they mean well? They literally seem like they think animals are more important than humans. That is not "meaning well" in any normal mindset.

2. Yes, when you give up debating the point and just go for the insult, you've forfeited the argument.

3. Making pointless, intentionally offensive attacks like that is always out of bounds, period

4.a. Yes it is a bullshit cause, the way they go about it. Besides, don't we have enough problems involving actual people to solve before we should be worrying about dumb animals?

b. As previously mentioned, and as further stated by dubq, no, their heart is nowhere near the right place. If you can point out any real tangible good which Peta has done in the past several years, it might back up your assertation, but I doubt there has been any.

c. They go out of their way to support a cause which I find ludicrous. Westboro's is based on religious homophobia, Peta's is apparently based on thinking that we should treat animals the same as people. Very different idealogies, sure, but they're both fucking annoying and retarded, and have caused zero actual positive progress for our planet in general.

 

I mean, come on, LOOK at this shit. They're directly comparing this vicious, cannabalistic murder to making hamburger. They're quite literally saying that they're the exact same thing. This is so offensive on so many levels, I barely know where to start. First of all, that they'd stoop so low as to use this atrocity as more material for their MEAT IZ MURDER propaganda campaign shows a shocking callousness to the act itself, the victim, his family, and anyone who's ever been involved in this sort of crime. Not to mention the speed with which Peta acted, getting this ad out there mere days after the murder itself. They seriously just came out and said, "All the news media is talking about this kid getting slaughtered. BUT WHO CARES? ANIMALS ARE SLAUGHTERED EVERY DAY!" They released no statement whatsoever dealing with the actual crime itself; they only saw it in terms of the one unconnected issue they obsess over, and tried to exploit the tragedy purely for their own selfish publicity-seeking reasons. Now, please explain. Heart. Place. Right? In what bizarro world is this an acceptable or sane reaction to something like what happened on that bus in Manitoba.

[At Home 0]

Czech, a move like that definitely draws some parallels to the Westboros. Picketing someone's funeral to get their message across and using someone's recent decapitation to tell people that it's just like animal slaughter is both disrespectful and about as opportunistically shallow as they get. Given that I've never heard any other cases like this from PETA, I'm not going to draw the absolute comparison here, but I think we'll all agree that it was a very low blow.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'd say the average member has their heart in the right place but the higher ups are total douchebags.

[BruteSquad_BRODY 0]

Yeah, fuck animals. If it's between us and them, we're the ones with the fucking society.

 

You sure have apparently never seen the structured life I've seen my cows and dogs maintain within their species

 

We have certain cats who are sluts compared to others too

[Guest Cal Moriarty]

I mean, come on, LOOK at this shit. They're directly comparing this vicious, cannabalistic murder to making hamburger. They're quite literally saying that they're the exact same thing. This is so offensive on so many levels, I barely know where to start. First of all, that they'd stoop so low as to use this atrocity as more material for their MEAT IZ MURDER propaganda campaign shows a shocking callousness to the act itself, the victim, his family, and anyone who's ever been involved in this sort of crime.

Dozens of people are decapitated on Greyhound buses every year. It's just not very widely reported.

 

But seriously, yes, they are saying that they're the same thing, because they're operating under the premise that all living creatures should be treated equally. Well, no, they shouldn't, in my opinion, but in their opinion, it's disgusting that animals are raised to be killed on conveyor belts, and the reactions to their stances are so overblown and rarely appropriate to their fundamental belief, which is "hey, killing is wrong," which I maintain is not analogous to "God hates fags." pbone, unless I'm missing another article, the link was that the Phelps clan was protesting the funeral, not PETA. Maybe both? Man, I'd hate to die prominently, everyone holding placards and calling me a fag. I want people to protest the fact that I'm dead. Pass a petition around and everything.

 

Notto mention the speed with which Peta acted, getting this ad out there mere days after the murder itself. They seriously just came out and said, "All the news media is talking about this kid getting slaughtered. BUT WHO CARES? ANIMALS ARE SLAUGHTERED EVERY DAY!" They released no statement whatsoever dealing with the actual crime itself; they only saw it in terms of the one unconnected issue they obsess over, and tried to exploit the tragedy purely for their own selfish publicity-seeking reasons.

That's because they're fucking PETA. That other stuff isn't their ground to cover. Their job is to advocate animal rights, and to do so by hitting the public at times like these. The efficacy of the propaganda is going to be significantly diminished if they were to wait a month or two, and that's bad advocacy. Man, I'm defending a group I don't even support. I'm like the ACLU, another four-letter collection of gadflies that everyone freaks out over.

 

Besides, don't we have enough problems involving actual people to solve before we should be worrying about dumb animals?

This is such a retarded fallacy. There's a war in Iraq, so I shouldn't feed my cat.

[Jingus 0]

That's because they're fucking PETA. That other stuff isn't their ground to cover. Their job is to advocate animal rights, and to do so by hitting the public at times like these.

Their job is to exploit a human's murder in order to advance their own utterly unconnected agenda? This is my entire point here: the Manitoba murder had nothing, not one teeny-tiny damn thing, to do with animal cruelty. Their only connection was that a sharp object spilled blood, and that's about it. The decapitated kid had about as much to do with animals in slaughterhouses as the dead soldiers Phelps protests had to do with god hating fags. They had no reason at all to get involved. PETA had absolutely no business whatsoever in this matter. But they coldly chose to jump on the media bandwagon anyway. This is one thing which is so annoyhing about the blindly single-minded activist groups like PETA, how they're more than willing to co-opt anything, anything at all, for their own gains. They do not care one bit about the actual matter at hand, they just want to get more face time to babble on about their cause. That I happen to think their entire cause is bullshit is just the icing on the cake.

[EricMM 0]

Jingus you're looking at this from the wrong perspective.

 

To PETA and its ilk:

 

the Manitoba murder had nothing, not one teeny-tiny damn thing, to do with animal cruelty.

this is utterly untrue.

 

They see that this was an example of cruelty to an animal (a human) and meat slaughter is cruelty to an animal (a cow). They raise animals up to the level of empathy that humans receive. They don't seek to kill humans to help animals, they seek to prevent the "murder" of animals to help humans. You do understand that it is *completely* possible to live a completely nutritious life without killing animals? You seem to be so mad at PETA that you don't see the point of their ad. I responded with snark over there, but over here, I'll respond to you points. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're wrong.

 

Further more, Comparing people to the Westboro people should be an addedum to that old internet adage: if you compare someone to Hitler, you lose...

[Jingus 0]

Thing is, you could use the same logic regarding the Westboro nuts. They think they're right. They really do believe that God hates homosexuality so much that he somehow decided to kill heterosexual American soldiers because of it. They really think that they're trying to help people, and that the world would truly be a better place if they got their way. And since it's a matter of religion, by definition they can't be proven wrong. My original point is, both groups are using similar methods, in this case at least. Fred Phelps looks at the death of a soldier and sees only an opportunity to spread his message. PETA looks at the death of this kid and sees only an opportunity to spread their message. It's reprehensible exploitation of a real human's horrifying demise in order to further a cause which that person had nothing to do with, and there is no good excuse for it.