EVIL~! alkeiper Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 We desperately need some fresh baseball talk with the MLB Offseason being boring as !@#$^ this year. So here's a starter topic. I'll check in with some opinions later on.
YourKock'sReallyGreat Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Without looking at Stats Orel 1988, Pedro 1999, Gooden 1985, Ron Guidry 1978., Greg Maddux 1995.
the max Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Pedro in 2000 had this: 18-6, 217 IP, 128 hits, 32/284 bb/k, 1.74 ERA/291 ERA+, .737 WHIP, .6 HR/9, .4 BB/9.
YourKock'sReallyGreat Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Pedro in 2000 had this: 18-6, 217 IP, 128 hits, 32/284 bb/k, 1.74 ERA/291 ERA+, .737 WHIP, .6 HR/9, .4 BB/9. That is quite a season. I just recall him being injured that year and having 313 k's in 213 innings in 99. That is a beyond scary whip.
The Ghost of bps21 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Bob Gibson 1968. They lowered the mound.
MRK Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Bob Gibson 1968 W 22 L 9 GS 34 CG 28 SHO 13 IP 304.7 H 198 BB 62 K 268 ERA 1.12 Sandy Koufax 1961-1966
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Posted February 2, 2009 Statistically it's Charley Radbourn in 1884. He pitched 678.7 innings, struck out 441 while walking 98. 59-12 win/loss record. He pitched every game for his team down the stretch when the other starter jumped the team. The problem is that pitching was far, far different. Radbourn was pitching underhand/sidearm, from a box and not a mound, and from 50 feet away. So much of pitching then was fielding dependent that it is difficult to take all the performances at face value. Pedro 2000 was incredible.
Guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Carlton in 1972. 346 innings pitched (30 complete games), ERA under two, 8 shutouts, and a WHIP under 1.
EVIL~! alkeiper Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Posted February 2, 2009 Carlton in 1972. 346 innings pitched (30 complete games), ERA under two, 8 shutouts, and a WHIP under 1. And 27 wins for a team that won 59.
Guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Eckersley in 1990 is another. In that same season Bob Welch had 27 wins. That one I didn't have to look up.
Smartly Pretty Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 How about the best pitching season that didn't win a Cy Young? Tom Seaver's 1971 season was probably his best, (20-10, 1.76 ERA, 289 K's,) but Fergie Jenkins won the Cy Young.
Bored Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 I'll go with Walter Johnson's 1913 season as the best ever. Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP +--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+ 1913 25 WSH AL 36 7 48 36 29 11 11 2 346.0 232 56 44 9 38 243 9 3 1305 0 1.14 2.96 259 0.780 For the post-expansion era it is hard to go wrong with the already mentioned 2000 season for Pedro. Edit: Also Dwight Gooden's 1985 season deserves mention for recent years. Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP +--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+ 1985 20 NYM NL 24 4 35 35 16 8 0 0 276.7 198 51 47 13 69 268 2 6 1065 4 2 1.53 3.49 228 0.965
Brett Favre Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 For a reliever, how about Eric Gagne in 2003: 2 HRs in 83 innings, 137 strikeouts and 20 walks with a 1.20 ERA an ERA+ of 335.
YourKock'sReallyGreat Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 How about the best pitching season that didn't win a Cy Young? Tom Seaver's 1971 season was probably his best, (20-10, 1.76 ERA, 289 K's,) but Fergie Jenkins won the Cy Young. David Cone 1988. 20-3, 213k's in 231 innings, 2.22 era, 8 cg, 4 shutouts, 1.1 whip. He didn't finish first, he didn't finish second, HE FINISHED THIRD! Mariano Rivera, not a starting pitcher but has put up some of the best single season relief work to never win a Cy Young. 1996 8-3, 2.20 era, era plus of 239, 130k's in 107 innings, only 1 homerun given up during the juice ball/steroid era, 0.994 Whip. You could make a case that he was the MVP that year as well. He completely changed baseball, the use of the "setup" man and turned an above average team into World Series Champions overnight. He helped turn what was a 9 inning game into 6 innings for the opposing team. Finished Third Every other season between 1997 and 2008 except for 2007. 1999 4-3, 52 K's in 69 innings, 1.83 era, era plus 259, whip 0.884, only 2 HR's given up Finished Third 2004 4-2, 66 K's in 78 innings, 1.94 era, era plus 231, whip 1.081, only 3 HR's given up Finished Third 2005 7-4, 80 K's in 78 innings, 1.38 era, era plus 307, whip 0.868, 2 hr's given up Finished Second to Fatso Bartolo Colon. I am sure that the Writers are happy to have given Colon the Cy Young over Rivera. Colon only won it because he had 20 wins. Johan Santana who by far had the much better year, more K's, .6 of an era lower finished a distant third because he only had 16 wins. Colon has won 11 games in the last 3 years since his " Cy Young" year.
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