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Don't get too excited for this week's Impact. Kurt will be doing a backstage interview, and not be in front of the live crowd.

Meaning we have to wait a while longer to hear what his rip-off of WWE theme in TNA sounds like.

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Wow, Terry Taylor's a dick. He couldn't even carry one of the guys bags in for him? Jeez dude, come on!

 

Hey man, he is the brains behind NWO and LAX. Now he is one of the guys behind bringing in Angle. TERRY TAYLOR should run his own wrestling promotion.

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I can't blame Angle for leaving for TNA. WWE held him back from working and he probably wouldn't have been pushed again and stuck in stupid storylines like that crap he got stuck with Booker T's wife. I felt that last run with the World Heavyweight Title was exactly that. Vince didn't even care, he only used Angle to get Cena's ass over against almost every fan's wishes and then had no choice, but to make it up to them once Batista got hurt.

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WWE held him back from working

 

That was for his health since the guy is almost a cripple.

 

and he probably wouldn't have been pushed again

 

He was going to be the top guy in ECW if he hadn't been a drug addict

 

and stuck in stupid storylines like that crap he got stuck with Booker T's wife.

 

That was what- 2005? He hadn't been in any stupid storylines since then

 

I felt that last run with the World Heavyweight Title was exactly that.

 

His last World Title run was fine- he had that great match with Taker, and got a WM main event. I'm sure he wasn't complaining.

 

Vince didn't even care, he only used Angle to get Cena's ass over against almost every fan's wishes and then had no choice,

 

Cena is over.

 

Angle couldn't have any long runs with a title- he's too much of a liability

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A few notes from this weeks Observer on Angle/TNA/UFC/Etc - some of this could be re-posted in MMA folder, not sure.

 

-Dana White pulled the following offer for Angle after learning he went to TNA or was going, or moreless found out the TNA gig was going to be a "full time pro wrestler" gig....sounded like this occured days after the Angle appearance at TNA's ppv. He refuses to work with anyone who is going to be "full time" in pro wrestling the same time as UFC. White was assuming it was going to be the other way, that being Angle training and being more of a full time fighter and a part time pro wrestler. When he found out otherwise, he pulled this offer from the table.

 

*One of the coaches for the next season of Ultimate Fighter early next year leading to...

 

*Daniel Puder v. Angle at a summer UFC event

 

-Also, TNA isnt allowing Angle to work indy dates due to the health issues and wanting to make sure he doesnt overdo himself here, even though they could make a killing from each of about $5,000 a shot. The exception will be the Mexico show, but that will probably be it. Gotta give TNA credit here although I wonder how long it will be til they override this decision due to Angle sweating them and/or the almighty dollar playing it's role. ROH, in particular, were already interested in a number of dates for him and a shoot interview.

 

-I say the time may be sooner than later where they let him work indys because the rumors are that Angle got a huge deal to sign here, as it at least matched, if not went over, a really substantial pricetag the UFC offered him, according to Dana White. If Spike helped, it might not be such a burden on the company as a whole, but its supposedly pretty high.

 

-Angle's camp turned down a half million offer to fight Roger Gracie, I believe sometime this year still (Dec?)

 

-Negotiations still for a Lesnar/Angle match on a K-1 Heros show down the road....

 

-Sting was one of only a handful who knew about Angle being the surprise at the ppv. He was in Nashville at the same time when they filmed the Angle vignettes and TNA introduced Angle to him, with Sting "freaking out"

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Angle should be allowed to do a ROH shoot interview. Why he wouldn't be allowed to do that is beyond me.

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I remember when i heard about this I had multipile cardiac arrests. I am now hooked on painkillers AND IM ON THE VERGE OF DEATH! THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP! EVERY POST I MAKE IS ONE POST CLOSER TO DEATH!

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Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

 

World Wrestling Entertainment recently sent TNA wrestler Kurt Angle a nasty legal letter with a series of demands. All of their demands aren't quite known yet, but here are the demands known thus far.

 

WWE demanded that Angle and TNA not refer to his ankle lock finisher as the "Angle lock." Angle laughed at that one because he had no idea that anyone called his finisher the "Angle lock" to begin with it, thinking it's always been the ankle lock. WWE also demanded that Angle not call himself "The Wrestling Machine," or "The Machine." Surprisingly, they didn't object to him wearing a mouthpiece, but it can't have "Machine" written on it.

 

Also, we should find out soon if WWE claimed ownership to the term "Angle slam" and if he'll have to use a new name for the manuever. WWE can probably rightfully claim ownership to that term. Also note, the U.S. Olympic committee probably wouldn't allow TNA to use the term "Olympic slam."

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Its called the Angle Lock in the video games. :huh:

 

Angle Press Conference Recap

 

Kurt Angle TNA-Spike TV Press Conference Report

By Dr. Keith Lipinski, host Dr. Keith Lipinski Show (www.drkeithshow.com, writer www.f4wonline.com)

 

Here's a general summary of the excellent 86 minute TNA conference call Kurt Angle had this afternoon. Call begin with ratings information and demographics begin the show.

 

Question: asks about Mania 19 against Brock attempting the Shooting Star Press

Kurt wasn't sure if Brock was coherent, Brock gave a response of "huh" and Kurt asked him if he was able to stand. "I helped to pick him up and told him what to do, his finish move." They turned a disaster into a success story. "It added to the match, in pro wrestling anything can happen." Kurt gives Brock credit for finishing the match and staying healthy.

 

Question: Everyone excited and concerned with him coming back, asks about how his health issues changed from the past

In the past Kurt wasn't given enough time to heel from his injuries, therefore he made an agreement with Dixie Carter of TNA Wrestling to only wrestle when he was 100%. Kurt mentions traveling a lot with his former employer. "I am the new name and face of TNA therefore I have responsibilities. I can't go less then 120% If I have a ten year career, great, if I have a five year career great."

 

Question: Kurt's frustrations with his former employer the WWE

Kurt wasn’t getting the proper medical care and not enough rest from his injuries in the WWE. "Basically I was being buried in the ground." Was promised time off but because of time and incidents with other athletes he never got him. Kurt speculates the WWE needed him more this year. "I gave my heart and soul to that company, and wasn't getting the respect I deserved." His neck has been injured five times. "I didn’t behave erratically, I wanted to tell them listen. I need to be home to rehabilitate my neck. I was very unhappy."

 

Question: MMA offers and the opportunity to face Brock Lesnar in Japan for K-1

"The Offer is there. I am interested in MMA." Every company come to Kurt with "retirement" kind of money. "Money is important but the timing is important as well. TNA has given me the room to spread my wings and get the time off to train, and do movies, and tv shows." Leaving the WWE, "I was no longer OWNED. I hated being told what to do or not to do. TNA gives consultation." Vince would tell Kurt "no, all your going to do is be a wrestler. I never wanted to be OWNED by anyone ever again. I have a boss, I listen to my boss, Dixie Carter." Puts over Carter for letter him do what he wants. On his relationship with the WWE "They own you, and there's nothing you can do or say to get out of your contract. You're strictly wrestling. I was his (Vince's) best wrestler."

 

Question: Is there added pressure and expectations to bring TNA to the next level

Admits there is new pressure with this new company growing rapidly, and with the new time slot on Spike TV and Kurt Angle coming in the network expects higher ratings. Kurt comments how great the athletes are in the TNA saying "they're five times better then WWE short list of guys main eventing. TNA is much better, every guy I could have a FIVE STAR MATCH with." Kurt Angle wanted to join TNA because "I saw a company in TNA that had so much room for growth that had the ability to be the top company in the next year or two" Kurt wants to make TNA the success it deserves to be. Vince McMahon has a lot of work ahead of him to stop TNA.

 

Question: Were you pushed out of the WWE like Bret Hart

They WWE attempted to sign him to a five year deal, as they needed him now more then ever. "Vince is trying to compete to himself, he wants to keep it that way, he doesn't want to push out his best wrestlers. So nervous about making money they wanted me (Kurt) there." Kurt wanted to meet with Vince and ask for his release. He wasn't fired from the WWE "those rumors are false." Vince wanted him to stay, but Kurt wasn't having fun anymore and saw a downward spiral in WWE, and he wasn't used properly as the top guy. "I asked for the meeting, I asked for my release, and Vince wanted it mutual to save face."

 

Question: Will Angle ever go to the WWE again

"I don't think I'll ever work for Vince McMahon again" Kurt said as you can hear his wife Karen saying something in the background. Kurt replies "My wife wouldn't let me work for Vince McMahon again." In TNA "Wrestling for Dixie carter wrestling can be fun again. They look at your for ideas. There are no politics in TNA." He talks about the room for growth in TNA for the company and himself. "I plan on sticking with this for 30 years" and talks about being a promoter, an agent/producer, writer, talent relations. Kurt talks about wanting to do movies and tv but notes "I can't leave wrestling, I have a passion for it. TNA is my home for good for the next 30 years. I'll grow with the company, as big as Kurt Angle has been in the past, he's going to get bigger." Kurt puts over himself as being generous he was in the WWE and how good he made the other athletes. He's not selfish and is going to enjoy this and sees being in TNA being FUN!

 

Question: Would you redo the neck fusion surgery again with Dr. Jho?

Kurt had a five level problem, and talks about levels of his neck and how week his neck was and flexibility. He says that neck fusion is "prehistoric" and says Dr. Jho is innovative and innovative surgery saved his career. He talks about getting hit over the head with a chair and how he'll never take a chair shot without putting his hands up ever again. "Other guys are hurting everyday because of the fusion surgery because of lack of flexibility in the neck." All five of Kurt's neck levels are damaged, but his flexibility is still good. "My neck was a disaster when I got there, its good enough now." His strength is back in his arms, and he doesn't regret his surgical operation.

 

Question: Someone compares coming in TNA to now coming to WCW

"I have a lot of respect for Kevin Nash and Scott Hall but they couldn't hold my jock strap in the ring."

 

^ :lol:

 

Question: Pain Killer Issues

"I haven't taken pain killers in over 3 years." Also "I had one problem with pain pills where he did become dependent on them." Kurt talks about WWE schedule and had to take the pain pills to function including large handfuls to function. Kurt and his wife found a pain doctor a few days before a PPV match with John Cena (I believe No Way Out before Mania 21) Doctor said he needed to go to rehab. Kurt wanted to go cold turkey, doctor said he could possibly kill himself by going cold turkey. Kurt called Vince and wanted 3 months off to rehab, Vince wouldn't give him the time. "I don't want to hear it, you rehab to yourself by your road." Doctor thought that was impossible, however Kurt was able to do it, 3 days later he was going through withdrawal and thought he could get a heart attack vs. John Cena in their PPV match. To the WWE it was more important making John Cena look good then Kurt's overall health. This is when Kurt's relationship with Vince went sour. "I felt like I was no longer-no body cared about me, they cared about me making someone look good. I made him look better then he actually was to make him ready for WrestleMania. Then Jon Heidenriech had high blood pressure and Kurt needed to take his place and fly to Baltimore. The respect factor got lower and lower where Vince and I didn't talk anymore." Kurt looking back wishes he put his foot down with Vince about the time off. The reporter asks if Vince thought about the business before Kurt's health. "Without a doubt." Kurt then talks about his debut with the WWE "I took the lowest offer for Vince, I had offers for movies, to WCW, to wrestling to Japan, and MMA. Vince gave me an avenue for my talents; Vince threw me into he fire as world champion my first year in the company." He gives Patterson and Brisco credit for helping him and notes "I would never trade in my life for a career in wrestling." He also would love to wrestle Bret Hart

 

Question: How did you deal with the WWE travel schedule?

"My wife was always right 'don't trust the guys there or buy into the bogus BS between the top guys there and Vince McMahon'" The scheduled caused a lot of animosity between Kurt and his wife. They separated for a while. If Kurt was single, Kurt believes Vince would have used him more. "Before I knew it, I was single; I wasn't able to see my daughter, so I regret that. If you are going to be my boss you better respect my wife and my family and having time off." Kurt puts over Dixie again for giving him the time off and her family values. "Vince works 24/7 and is always gone." Kurt speculates Vince didn't spend more then 10 days a year with his family and Kurt didn't want to be like that. "Number one priority is god, then family, then job. And that’s the way its going to be right now."

 

Question: Who would be a good fit in TNA from WWE

Chris Benoit is an easy answer. Kurt would like to see him in TNA but he's out of the picture for five years. "If we can get him, we'd be over the top. He would be a great teacher and mentor for the guys in TNA. My job is to make sure they realize how good they are and capable they are. They don't know how good they are."

 

Question: Did the fans questions about your health stuatus after your TNA debut surprise you?

" I can't tell you what kind of response I got. When people thought it was Goldberg they were kinda excited but when it was me, it was WOW!" He has respect for the fans and the audience, he was happy to see they cared about my wellbeing and seeing him healthy. "From the bottom of my heart, I am 100% healthy; there are no issues and nothing to worry about now. I am focused on making TNA the top company in the world." He took the critizism to heart and listed to himself and god was telling him he hadn't hit the tip of the iceburg with his wrestling ability. "The WWE didn’t give me the abililty to carry the ball when they should of." His doctors thought there was no problem with him coming back. He had a full blown physical, blood test for medication, he's cleared to wrestle.

 

Question: WWE guys aware and concerned with TNA?

"Oh yes, they're innovative. The heavyweight division very popular and so is the x-division division. The cruiserweight division in WWE isn't squat. They put the word wrestling back into wrestling." Kurt doesn't like to say he's the best wrestler in this industry, but says TNA doesn't have enough time on tv. "If they get a 2 hour slot, the ratings will go up quicker and higher. With TNA, everyone is hungry, they want my spot and I encourage them. I'll open up the spot, I'll go behind you. I'm the kind of guy where I won't block anyone politically."

 

Question: On coming into TNA as the special enforcer for this weekends PPV match and scouting opponents

"I study films for hours and hours, my wife complains about the amount of tapes I watch. For one, me being involved in the main event, we get more viewers watching the PPV, as Bound For Glory is the biggest PPV of the year." He notes if the timing was right and he came in early, he could see himself in the main event. "There is so much talent (in TNA) we don't have time to show it all." Kurt doesn't want to take away from Jarrett and Stings tremendous main event match. He puts over the PPV card as "phenomenal" and he will be in action to some degree but "they are easing him into the main event mix. If they threw him in, they'd be despirate, they're not. Its an honor."

 

Question: WWE.com discussing confrontational meeting and Angle being an emotional wreck, the competitive streak being his demise.

Vince didn't think Angle would go anywhere else. He thought he would end up with the WWE. He was going to give Kurt another 5 year deal when he came back. "How would you be if you were treated like a dog for five years?" Kurt either wanted to work part time or be released. They started telling me I was acting erratic. "Was I acting erratic? Yes. Was it drugs? No." He did start crying, and thought there was no way to get out of the WWE. Vince had a change of heart after seeing this, and let him have his release. Kurt believes someone told Vince of the rumor that "30 million in pride for five years" and that lead to WWE.Com releasing the information about the release meeting.

 

Question: How did TNA get in the picture?

"I never talked to TNA until I got released; Vince never thought TNA was in the picture. " Kurt says "Spike TV is where its at. It’s the cool station, not to put down USA." Kurt did what he had do to do to get out of his WWE contract. Vince dropped and gave him the release. " It was so quick…Vince wanted me back for five years." Vince didn’t' want to be libel for Kurt if something happened but wanted him back ASAP, and their meeting was supposed to be confidential. The information was leaked because "the wrestling business knows well ahead of time what's going on." Vince had a feeling Kurt was doing something and needed to strike the iron while it was hot. Kurt was offended with Vince saying he fired him. He went to the meeting to get released. Vince did what he could to hurt Kurt's but Vince just drew attention to himself…

 

Question: UFC, who were they pitching you to fight, and Dana Whites comments about Kurt being an actor:

"Dana White is a great guy, like McMahon as they wanted him exclusively." He didn't want to be owned, no one would own Kurt Angles name again. TNA allowed him that opportunity. The long term exclusive deal with UFC was for ONE MATCH against someone who "doesn't belong in the octagon. He was on tough enough, he was trying to get rich off my name. I had a broken neck and couldn't feel my arms when I was in the ring with them. Dana White knew I would annilate this person." Dana wanted Kurt to represent the UFC, and Kurt couldn’t picture just sitting there doing nothing and not having any purpose. On UFC "Those guys are on the rise and part of Spike TV as well." Puder vs. Angle could have lead to the "biggest buy rate in UFC history" As far as Dana White "its always open."

 

Question: Would he work with Puder:

"Yes, if TNA signed him. But he doesn't have the athletic ability to be a pro wrestler. He's no where near the level of the guys in TNA. I don't know what he's doing now buy blabbing on the internet, I don't know I don't read the internet. If TNA signs him. I'll take him out in 40 seconds and that’s a guarantee. This is a Kurt Angle with full strength. I was 208 with 14 inch arms during the Tough Enough. Olympic Kurt Angle would beat the snot out of him."

 

Question: Who in TNA are you looking forward to looking with:

Angle is quick to answer Samoa Joe "I haven't seen a guy with his size and his athleticism to follow. Samoa Joe is further along; he's been undefeated for 18 months and is a monster. At one point I thought we shouldn't touch for a long time. The angle with the belt was that chance. Watch this Thursday night you will LOVE~! what happens in the segment." Kurt stresses from the ring entrance, to the physically, it was the perfect way to debut in TNA. "The two top guys in the business, Joe is going to be a huge name in the future, one will be inducted in the hall of the fame. It was more of a shoot then anything and it got my blood flowing, it got pretty serious towards the end."

 

Question: If Kurt was never happy in the WWE, then why did he resign?

He didn't have time to look at other options. "They didn’t' wait until the contract was up, they kept on pushing him to sign." His manager wanted him to hold out, WWE wanted it seven months early. They hounded him and he had it at home. Kurt tried to hold out by not having it notarized and kept it in his bag for two weeks, the final time the person came to Kurt in the locker room and said "GIVE ME THE CONACT" Kurt wasn't happy with it. He said it was fun run in the WWE, angles with Stephanie/Triple H and Stone Cold but it had "started getting old and in dead ends". They weren't using him as a champion. "I have a blessing from god it’s a gift and curse." Vince saw the diamond and the diamonds in the rough (keith note: no, not Elix Skipper and David Young) and had Kurt make wrestlers. Kurt didn’t have his run like Rock, Austin had. They never spread his wings and let him be Kurt Angle until the end. They told him to "be a dork, be hokey." Kurt wasn't political; "I tried to elevate wrestlers. I encouraged wrestlers to talk to Vince and take a step forward" Kurt wasn't insecure about his spot unlike other guys. Kurt suggests that’s the problem with the company today, the guys running it are wrestling. TNA gave him the greatest entrance in sports entertainment ever. Detailed his entrance in the WWE and how they gave him The Patriot's old music and how unorganized it was, unlike TNA. Puts over his new music and how it relates to him as its music wrestlers train to and is motivating. "It blows Rey and Triple H's entrance away."

 

Question: Who is the real Kurt Angle and who will we see in TNA?

You'll see it in TNA, towards the end of his WWE run you saw it. "I was always playing characters, WWE has a fetish with characters, we're all characters in one sense. I was a good actor so I could be mean nasty guy, or be the gullible funny guy. I didn't enjoy playing them, but people were laughing. I went to Vince one day and said 'let me be me.'" Kurt had ideas for merchandise but Vince wasn't responsive. In the top 10 wrestling matches the WWE had, Kurt suggests was probably in all ten of them. Dixie is letting Kurt be the real Kurt Angle. "I am a vicious person, I treat it like it is real. That’s the way I am when I go in there when I compete. I finally get to be me!" On the mouthguard, TNA will help him sell them. They can be used for non-gimmick purposes and thru his website he's worked with a company that can make a mold of your teeth and you can put whatever you want on it. "Mouthguards lower your concussion rate six times" and Kurt notes the five concussions he had while a member of the WWE.

 

Question: Eddie Guerrero's passing and WWE making money using his name in angles

"Eddie and I had a different situation, Eddie died with exhaustion." Kurt hopes the WWE takes care of Eddies family but having his named involved makes people remember Eddie. "every cent the WWE makes from any Eddie's related angles should go to Eddie's family."

 

Question: Was he upset with going to ECW?

Vince pictured ECW was going to be more real, the wrestling company of the WWE. "When I got over there-there was no one for me to work with. There was RVD, Sabu who uses chairs, and sandman and balls. Who am I going to work over here in a main event status?" Angle puts over RVD and Sabu as being fun to work with. He made Sabu work his first non-gimmicked match in a while and Sabu listened. WWE appointed Angle as an agent on the road to teach these wrestlers. A lot of them were getting upset because of Angle's time in the business compared to there's. Kurt "I have a gift, I can watch a match and tell you what you did right and wrong." He stopped being an agent after ECW guys complaints. He started the feud with Orton, but wondered why they started cross promoting anyway? "I tell a story in a wrestling match by wrestling. I wrestle in the ring, it's what I do best. The business has been turned apart (keith note: he might have used another word here) due to overexposure, and people getting hit with chairs five times and they should be dead." He wasn't the new face of ECW. On Van Damn, "Rob deserved the title, he needed the title." Kurt found out he wasn't on SummerSlam and wondered why he didn't have someone to work with. He was unhappy.

 

Question: what does TNA need to focus on to get to the next level and problems with the six sided ring.

Kurt doesn't think it will take to long as he stays in the middle and lets his opponents run around him. TNA needs to keep on doing what it is doing to get there. "I'm just part of the picture here. I saw TNA coming. I saw this team of guys rapidly growing and wanted to be part of something making history. When I got to the WWE they were at the top." TNA has tremendous athleticism. "They need to stay with the basics, we have the best writer in wrestling, Vince Russo, and the best wrestler and we have the best wrestlers in wrestling. I have told four wrestlers if they learn a few tricks of the trade they'll be better then me. TNA will make history with Kurt Angle and Spike TV." There's room for two companies to have success. "Vince will always have success because he's a sports entertainment. We're WRESTLING~! We're not a sports entertainment kinda thing, we're going back to the basics of telling stories in the matches and have great matches. They don't need to see sex in a bed; they need to see a great main event a half hour long when we do two hours god willing. They have it together. Compared to Vince they're (TNA as a corporate entity) primitive right now, they're going to have their own HQ like Vince, the amount of employees Vince has, they're all meshing together and there is no one butting heads." This could be the biggest thing in wrestling since the ratings war. Kurt thinks its an honor to be compared to Hogan switching from the WWE to WCW. "TNA is not a gimmick company; they're in it for the long hall. TNA runs for 30 years so will Kurt Angle. I pray to god we stay with Spike TV as their potential is unlimited. This is going to be a wrestling marketing machine."

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Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

 

World Wrestling Entertainment recently sent TNA wrestler Kurt Angle a nasty legal letter with a series of demands. All of their demands aren't quite known yet, but here are the demands known thus far.

 

WWE demanded that Angle and TNA not refer to his ankle lock finisher as the "Angle lock." Angle laughed at that one because he had no idea that anyone called his finisher the "Angle lock" to begin with it, thinking it's always been the ankle lock. WWE also demanded that Angle not call himself "The Wrestling Machine," or "The Machine." Surprisingly, they didn't object to him wearing a mouthpiece, but it can't have "Machine" written on it.

 

Also, we should find out soon if WWE claimed ownership to the term "Angle slam" and if he'll have to use a new name for the manuever. WWE can probably rightfully claim ownership to that term. Also note, the U.S. Olympic committee probably wouldn't allow TNA to use the term "Olympic slam."

 

What about - Angle's Slam?

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After the completion of today's call, Kurt Angle called us to correct an error he made in answering one of the questions. Kurt was asked by King Jordan of the NY Daily News about injuries he had incurred while working for his former employer. In answering the question, Kurt stated that he had not taken any painkillers in three years. He realized, after the fact, that he began using painkillers three years ago, and has been clean, rather, for eighteen months since the Cena PPV match he referenced (Feb 2005).

 

Sorry for any confusion this causes, Kurt felt it important to set the record straight.

 

Thank you all for the overwhelming response to today's call. I apologize to anyone who waited to have a question answered but couldn't due to our time constraints.

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Ah, press conferences. Still the number one source for all of the bullshit you'll ever need to hear.

 

They're already doing damage control on this one too, amazing.

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Ric Flair and Chris Kanyon were both on the Howard Stern Show today. During the course of the conversation/argument, Kanyon mentioned Kurt Angle being fired from the WWE. Flair actually stated that he knew for a fact that Angle was not fired and instead asked for his release. I don't know how much that really means but I found it interesting nonetheless.

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Hopefully, TNA can probably talk Ken Shamrock into coming back so we can finally get the Angle / Shamrock dream match.

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