Coffin Surfer

Underoath-Changing of the Times was a very excellent stand out album. It certaintly wasn't emo in any shape or form as they were still mostly a metal/hardcore hybrid at this point. Their last cd with the generic new vocalist is rather bland and weak so I can understand people coming to the conclusion that they suck based off that. Avenaged Sevenfold are alright. I've heard far worse vocalists, however the lyrics are indeed cringe worthy. As far as emo goes, I like Sunny Day Real Estate and Mineral had a few good moments. They really don't have much in common with the other bands being listed as emo on this folder but you know.

Bullshit. He was out of his league in New Japan. A place where guys as varied as Scott Norton, Bigelow, and that Owen guy who evidently wasn't better easily adapted to. It was sad watching him trying to work his dated flash pin spots against Mutoh. Steamboat looked like a "caveman" and the crowd threatened to "boo" him out of the building. Steamboat isn't even in Lyger's universe. Not even the best matches from 89. Technical? Fucking Baba was more capable on the mat. Look, Steamboat was a great worker but your really over crediting him. To answer yoour question, evidentally he's getting too much praise these days.

Well..No Danny Williams vs. Suicide King for you guys.

Yeah but this isn't about interview skills It's hard to say Eaton didn't have charisma when he had the crowd's eating out of his hand for over five years.

Is this a joke? He was a great stooge, who's put together some of the hottest U.S. matches of all time, even before Cornette.

Hase's was better because he was able to link his hands together, something I can't recall Bret doing very often if at all. I also forgot about Hokuto, who would turn around and pull her opponent's hair while keeping them in the hold.

Cross Armbreaker-Especially when it's treated right. All the different ways it can be applied and escaped has led to some great moments in wrestling history. And I'm sick of the only Bret and Owen could apply the Scropion Deathlock"Sharpshooter" bullshit. Ricky Choysu was doing the move just good all the way back in the early 80s. And for the record, Hase's version owns both Bret and Owen's. Kawada, Akiyama, Sasaki, and even Sting all did the move very well. Benoit's is good too as long as he has someone who is willing to be stretched. Yeah, the Rock's version was weak but that doesn't mean there were other people who could do the move.

Actually, one of the things that seperates the original Ju-On(video version) from alot of the new wave Japanese Horror moves is that they didn't take that route with the ghost. Unlike Ringu, her face is not hidden behind long hair and is almost always revealed.

Wow, this is a nice surprise. If I get voted in and have the time, it would probably be a good opportunity to write and post a "dream match that never was" to celebrate. Not that I'm bribing anybody, since you should've voted already.

I don't own DVD yet, it's been on my "to get" list for some time now. I have seen most of the matches at one point or another and have several on tape.

My fault, I thought I heard Joey Styles suggesting it was. But than again, this is Styles were talking about so I should have known better.

It's a good match, not mediocre. It's actually better than Eddy/Malenko Hostile City Showdown. It's not a back and forth match with great nearfalls, that's not what it's suppose to be. It's a roleplaying match with Beniot wrestling somebody who is very much far below him. Considering Snow is just a jobber at this point, Beniot made him look very good by letting him survive most of his high end stuff. Truth be told, Beniot should have probably used more low end offense like say Kawada would do with Akiyama but the match was his ECW debut and he had to show off his moveset. Beniot actually lets Snow look like the better chain wrestler in the opening sequence and gives him a good run of offense in the finish. Considering this is a monster making his debut against a no name jobber the match is surprisingly competitive and alot better than it had any right to be. Not a miracle match, since we all know that Beniot is a capable carrier while Snow actually brings alot to the table. Wrong. Snow gets a nice German Suplex, a Backbody Drop, The Snowplow Suplex, and a modified Fisherman Suplex. That's more than a few kicks bud. I would agree that it's not ****...more like ***-***1/4.

Your not gonna get every great must see match on one order, that's just too much. If I was you I'd try to focus on one particular area, get everything you need, and move on to another field. Even with a list this big, your still missing a ton of stuff. Like Tim said, I would suggest checking out JDW's ballots at Deathvalleydriver for most of the 90s stuff. Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Mitsharu Misawa 4/18/91 -Don't need this. Disappointing match. Kobashi & Kikuchi vs. Tsuruta & Taue 1/26/92 -Good but not essential. Kawada and Kikuchi vs. Kroffat/Furnas is a much better midcard tag from this year. Mitsuhara Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada vs. Akira Taue & Jun Akiyama 12/4/92 -Solid but not essential. MITSUHARU MISAWA VS KENTA KOBASHI 4/19/93 TOSHIAKI KAWADA VS AKIRA TAUE 4/19/93 KENTA KOBASHI VS TOSHIAKI KAWADA 4/26/93 -It would really be for the best if you just got these as well as most of the 93 t.v. stuff from t.v. tapes. You can get them from 10 bucks at Highspots, as well as a ton more great matches from that timeframe like Kawada/Akiyama. MITSUHARU MISAWA, KENTA KOBASHI, & JUN AKIYAMA VS TOSHIAKI KAWADA, AKIRA TAUE, & YOSHINARI OGAWA 7/2/93 -Classic that's not from t.v.. Best to get from Lynch. Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada 1/19/95 -You don't want this. Ugh. Mitsahara Misawa/Kenta Kobashi vs. Akira Taue/Toshiaki Kawada 1/24/95 -Don't want this one either. Boring as hell. Mitsuhara Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Steve Williams & Johnny Ace 3/4/95 -Overrated. The 94 tag is better with Misawa leading Ace through a great stretch. Toshiaki Kawada v. Stan Hansen 3/4/95 -Bad match. Bad booking. Mitsuhara Misawa vs. Akira Taue 4/15/95 -It would probably be cheaper and wiser to invest in the entire 95 Carnies. Tons of great matches that you don't have on this list. Stan Hansen vs. Mitsuhara Misawa 5/26/95 -Lame. Mistuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi 3/31/96 -Eh. Taue/Kawada from the same tape is better. The 95 and 93 Carnie matches between Misawa/Kobashi are better. Akira Taue vs. Kenta Kobashi 7/24/96 -Misawa/Taue 96 TC exchange is a better more important match. This is an excellent match though. Great selling from Taue for the most part. Better than Misawa/Kobashi 96 Carnies. KENTA KOBASHI VS TOSHIAKI KAWADA 10/18/96 -You don't want this piece of shit taking up 60 minutes of your tape. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Steve Williams 3/1/97 -Don't need this. They had a better match in 94 that your missing. Mitsuhara Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi 4/19/97 Mitsuhara Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada 4/19/97 Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kenta Kobashi 4/19/97 -Just get the commercial release. Don't bother with a comp, too expensive. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada 6/6/97 -Bad match with great moments. Save your money for now. Mitsuhara Misawa vs. Akira Taue 7/25/97 -Worth looking at it to see just how great Taue was at this point as he puts together one of the best openings of all time. The rest of the match is kind of blah wtih Misawa sleep walking through most of it. Mitsahara Misawa vs. Jun Akiyama 1/24/98 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada 5/1/98 -Don't waste your money with this stuff. It's good but a far cry from All Japan's glory days. Almost depressing to watch, the magic is gone. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi 10/31/98 -Waste of money. Just get their 97 matches and your all set. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada 1/22/99 -Overhyped. Vader vs. Mitsuharu Misawa 5/2/99 Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Kenta Kobashi 6/11/99 -You don't need this stuff. You'd be better off with some early 90s midcard matches that are actually fun and fresh. Mitsuhara Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada 7/23/99 -Don't need this at all. Dull match. Vader vs. Kenta Kobashi 2/27/00 Mitsuhara Misawa vs. Jun Akyama 2/27/00 -Both of these are boring wastes of money.

If Flair was not the best of this time period then who was? Are you going to say that WWF midcard of 80s Steamboat, Savage, Dibiase or 90s Owen, HBK, Austin were better than NWA/WCW Flair of this time period? Are you serious? Why would anyone rank Flair as the best U.S. wrestler from 91-94? 92 would probably be the only year that he even shows up on the radar but guys like Vader, Hart, Windham, and Sting were having such strong years that it's hard to make a case for him. I haven't seen enough of the 80s to judge but it is interesting to note that Windham was the better worker in his 2/86 match with Flair. I haven't seen their 87 matches in a long time, so I can't fairly comment on those. I also noticed that Savage's performance against Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3 is better than Flair's performance against him at Wrestlewar 89 as he did alot more to put over the arm work. However I still feel that Chi-Town and Clash are better Steamboat matches. Savage/Hogan Wrestlemania V also strikes me as being better than some of Flair's "so called broomstick matches." It wasn't a carryjob as others claim but Hogan was a very limited worker, far more limited than the likes of Lugar. I wouldn't be so bold to say Savage was a better worker throughout the late 80s but I would be curious to see more of Macho before I wrote him off. I would like to say Eaton was the better worker from 85-88 but his stuff is limited to tag work with no standout singles matches that I can recall. However it is evident that he had a larger more modern moveset, wasn't as limited a bumper as Flair, was a better seller, and a much better stooge. But yeah, no standout singles matches that I know of at the moment but the Clash I match against the Fans comes close and it's better than any Flair match from the 80s. I know Tommy Rogers was the better worker but he never really cut loose and showed what he could he do until he got to All Japan in the early 90s. He mostly played a face in peril but even than you could still catch glimpses of his greatness.

Flair doesn't have any four star carry jobs of Koloff either. I do have another match of theirs that I should give a watch but the one I just talked about certaintly wasn't a carry job. You can throw any star rating you want on it but you can't call it a carry job, Koloff pretty much did all the work in the match. It's a damn squash for the most part. Flair bumped for his Lariats and sold decently enough but that's hardly carrying somebody or working with them to produce a great match. Koloff did most of the damn stooging as well: biting, ball posting, hitting the ref, even playing possum at one point. I don't undestand why it's just assumed that all these matches are carry jobs without paying attention as to who's doing most of the work in them.

Boooooooring! Are we gonna analyze work or just toss out star ratings and make unfound claims out of our asses. I'm thinking of watching some Flair/Garvin tonight and Flair/Lugar Bash 88 match to see how they hold up as a "broomstick" matches. "Ric Flair was consistantly the best US worker from 1982 to 1994."

Funny thing, I was just watching Flair/Luger 88(not the Bash match the one before it with the stoppage for blood) and I really don't see how anyone could consider this a carry job or call Lugar a broomstick. It really isn't much of a surprise that Lugar brings almost all the high end offense, including some nice mid range stuff like the Elbow Drop, Diving Lariat and a good looking Dropkick. However, Lugar also brings some of the smarter transitions, feeding Flair off a missed elbow and later a miss Dropkick that Flair doesn't even bother to look like he tried to avoid. Yeah, Flair does some good stooging and sells well, though sometimes he goes overboard to comic effect. However that's not to say that Lugar doesn't sell for Flair either, who's offense is far weaker and more low end. Lugar even puts over Flair's punches as a rib injury but the Nature Boy doesn't really explore it with as much offense as Lugar used on his back in the early going. Flair throws some punches and that's about it. Lugar even puts over the leg injury well until he no sells the Inverted Atomic Drop. However it's not like Flair really gave him an opportunity to put the leg over anyways. Espeically when Flair is whipping him into the ropes and cueing up the corner punch spot not soon after the Figure Four. Actually Lugar and Flair work together for most of the match, neither really carrying the other. It's hard to say that Lugar was a broomstick though, when he pretty much brought all the offense, most of which he set up himself without Flair even having to feed him. Outside of the superman chop no selling, Lugar also sold when required and given the opportunity. Flair was clearly the better seller and did more bumping but he wasn't carrying this thing at all. When people talk about Flair carrying all these broomsticks in the 80s, matches like these are food for thought. I also watched one of the Nikita/Flair matches from 88 or 89 as well. The whole damn match was Nikita on offense with Flair doing little stooging and rather basic selling. Hell, Nikita even does most of the stooging. Flair leads him through some brief elementary chain wrestling in the opening but that's about it. Some carryjob. If anything it looked like Flair was the broomstick in this match.

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HKFLIX doesn't appear to have the tv versions. And if you buy from there make sure to check the region. Yeah, Ju-On (red cover) t.v version w/Battle Royale chick is the best one by far. Part 2 t.v. version does suck(blue cover). Ju-On the Theatircal are the pictures in vivi's post. I didn't like the first one that much but the second was o.k.

Oh sorry. The way it was worded it looked like you were saying the color difference was a way of telling the video and theatrical.

Uh no. The blue cover is actually Ju-On II, the television sequel. Anyways, I got my Ju-On here: hkdvdstore

Actually that's not even the original Japanese Ju-On. It's a bigger budget theatircal but sadly inferior remake to a direct to video movie that is also named Ju-On, which also happens to feature Chiaki Kuriyama of Kill Bill and Battle Royale fame. The original one is probably the creepiest new wave Japanese Horror film I've seen, while the theatircal one is pretty goofy. Interesting to note that all films(including the U.S.) were directed by Shimizu Takashi. There is also a sequel to the direct to video and theatircal film in Japan, all done by him as well.

No it's not. They always turn and take it in the ear or the cheek bone. The high kick is never really that hard anyway with Kawada spinning off his pivot boot just before or right as it connects, making it into an almost glancing blow. The only time Kawada really stiffed people was with the punts to the lower back, to the chest, and his chops. If he was really kicking people in the face than you'd see visible signs of it. Sometimes with his Spinkick with the boot missing or hitting the shoulder and his thigh actually hitting their chest to make sound. When he does turn lose and stiff with his high kicks or accidently puts too much on them, you'll notice they always bleed from the ear or maybe the cheekbone...not the face. So you honestly think that Kawada couldn't work with someone with an injured neck, despite contradicting evidence at 6/3/94. Fuck what Lance Storm says, especially if there's video tape evidence that suggests otherwise. So what if he's a professional wrestler, I've probably seen more Kawada matches than him. Their damn fools as well if they think Tanaka was better than Baba's boys in 96. I'd say he's full of shit there too, especially since I've seen him work with Kawada in several matches. BTW, yes I have friends who are wrestlers..I do live in Louisville afterall, where it seems like everyone's been trained at somepoint. Pretty much every wrestler passes through here sooner or later, and it's not uncommon to meet someone "in the business" on a regular basis. So you can leave the "I spoke to so and so or actually wrestled" nonsense at home, it doesn't impress people from these parts. I guess you could even say I've been in the ring since I've took a few bumps and been stiffed..or maybe not. But so fucking what. It doesn't make my opinion any more credible than it already is. And as far as my friends go, I think they have horrible taste in wrestling. Hulk Hogan, Andre, and Sabu are the greatest ever types. Ugh, I feel dirty just mentionting this. I sound like you now....blah.

Because the Gamengiri is a legit kick to the face. Whatever. Storm made some horseshit comments about Kawada not being able to work with someone with a bad neck. Nevermind that Misawa had a bad neck in 94 and Kawada still had a certain classic with him. (rollseyes). If Funk said something stupid like that, I don't give fuck who or where he wrestled. As far Dr. Death goes, he also said that when people think of wrestling they think of Hulk Hogan and Steven Williams in that same interview. My how credible he his. Give me a fucking break.

From what I understand NOAH's just a continuation of the boring, brain dead, head dropathons of the late 90s, it's just now there older and slower. The only NOAH match I bothered to get my hands on was Taue/Nagata, which was an excellent match. The Kobashi bump fests didn't do anything for me in the late 90s when he was younger and healthier, so I have no desire to track down the bump fests he's doing now as a broken down cripple. As far as match quality goes, All Japan has always been more than a few steps ahead of everybody else, going all the way back to the 60s. As the years passed, the gap in quality gradually got wider, perhaps reaching it's peak in the mid 90s. As far as success, I never bothered to look up the actual figures. But they were very successful until the late 90s. Bad booking, injuries, Baba's death, and of course Misawa's NOAH nearly is said to have nearly killed All Japan.