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Well the film has been out for weeks now. Last I checked it was 2004.... Nope still no lawsuits claiming LIBEL! WHat about the slander???? What about the lies! If Moore has just made the whole thing up without a shread of evidence or truth than he would have already been sued up the ass by now. Instead they have quiet letting the radio hosts, the FNC, etc do the talking for them. For what? Do they think its just going to go away? The longer this goes unchallenged the more credibilty Moore aquires and the more guilty Bush and company look. If they don't make a counter-point (facts of their own) other than just saying its "unmitigated bullshit!" over and over again then they have been exposed as the assholes they are. Maybe they can't. As far as the Goring quote. Sounds just like something I've heard alot about recently... can't quite put my finger on it though.

Yeah, that pipeline thing... they made the WHOLE thing up. Sad, just plain sad. So go ahead and link to somebody who says exactly that. Pick your side etc etc. Just another hand caught in the cookie jar.

Well for anybody who is a Bush supporter... After reading this things COULD be alot worse. I suppose. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- July 20th, 2004 12:52 pm Fahrenheit 911 is Fair and Balanced by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman / Common Dreams We've come to expect poisonous and unbalanced attacks from the paid far right propagandists denouncing Michael Moore's documentary "Fahrenheit 911." But more disturbing are the scolds from tepid moderate mainstream journalists who often fail to read their own newspapers. New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof attacks the film because "Moore hints that the real reason Bush invaded Afghanistan was to give his cronies a chance to profit by building an oil pipeline there." Kristof attacks Moore for even raising this issue,. But he conveniently ignores volumes of information readily available to back up Moore's claim. Perhaps Kristof, like President Bush, refuses to read. At least that would explain why he missed the raging international debate surrounding the Bush administration's well-documented, then-secret oil negotiations with the Taliban in the summer of 2001. The book FORBIDDEN TRUTH: U.S.-TALIBAN SECRET OIL DIPLOMACY AND THE FAILED HUNT FOR BIN LADEN was an international bestseller. Written by French Intelligence experts Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquié, the book asserts that the Bush administration threatened the Taliban with the now- infamous words: "Either you accept our carpet of gold or we'll carpet you with bombs." The threat was made about a month before the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Kristof and his ilk prefer the simple-minded version offered by President Bush: the Taliban and Al Qaeda hate our freedom and liberty. That the world's largest military power in search of new oil supplies for the 21st century would threaten carpet bombing is something the mainstream corporate media simply refuses to consider. Kristof also ignores the fact that the U.S. government installed Unocal advisor Harmid Karzai as the President of Afghanistan and provided him U.S. Special Forces as his praetorian guard. Moore mentions this in the film, but Kristof leaves it out of his column, saying the "Administration's huge errors aren't because of deceit." But that statement itself is very deceitful. Kristof also fails to acknowledge National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski's THE GRAND CHESSBOARD. Brzezinski calmly outlines a thesis that U.S. domination of the globe in the 21st century depends on its control of Central Asian oilfields. He also says the American public would not back an attack unless there was a terrorist attack that galvanized public opinion to seize the foreign oil. Tom Teepen, syndicated columnist for the Cox New Service suggests that "Fahrenheit 911 is a polemic, not a documentary." Teepen says Moore "weaves conspiracy theories in part by conveniently leaving out key information." Teepen belongs to that most despicable class of columnists known as "coincidence theorists." He also doesn't understand the true meaning of "polemic." F9/11 opens with the 2000 election debacle in Florida. Moore could have recited from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which documented that 54% of the rejected ballots in Florida were cast by black voters and 93% of African-Americans voted for Gore nationwide. The government report singled out George's brother Governor Jeb Bush, and the Bush brothers' close friend and Republican ally, Katherine Harris, for blame. Moore could have presented investigative journalist Gregory Palast's reports for the BBC documenting that at least 58,000 eligible voters in Florida were denied the right to vote because their names were the same or similar to a felon. Moore could have shown footage of a roadblock and told how Florida law enforcement officers turned black drivers of vans and buses away from the polls for failure to provide limousine or chauffer licenses. Moore could have detailed how 20,000 Gore votes mysteriously disappeared in Volusia County and were later reinstated. That gap allowed Fox News analyst John Ellis to project his first cousin, G. W. Bush, to be the winner. What else did Moore leave out?: In his AMERICAN DYNASTY, Republican theorist Kevin Philips documents four generations of Bush family war profiteers dating back to World War I. This includes Samuel Bush's dual role as entrepreneur with Buckeye Steel Casting and government official on the Armaments Board. George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was a key operative in the Union Banking Corporation that was seized by the U.S. government in 1942 and liquidated under the Trading with the Enemy Act for helping fund the Nazi war effort. Granddaddy Bush joined the Board of Directors of Union Bank in 1934 and stayed there as the bank aided Hitler's rise to power. The government liquidation yielded a reported $750,000 apiece for Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker. The Bush family is close friends of the self-proclaimed Messiah and creepy cult leader Reverend Sun Myung Moon. In January 1995, Moon's Women's Federation for World Peace paid Bush the Elder at least one million dollars for a speech. Former President Bush was also the principal speaker in the November 1996 opening dinner for Moon's new weekly newspaper "Tiempos del Mundo" of Argentina. Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh reported in February 2002's New Yorker that the Bush administration authorized U.S. cooperation with Pakistan in the December 2001 "Kunduz airlift" that sent airplanes and helicopters to rescue Pakistanis fighting with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Note that the Unocal pipeline from Central Asia goes through Afghanistan into Pakistan. A coincidence? Article VI of the Nuremberg Charter defines "Crimes Against Peace" as "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of war of aggression or war in violation of international treaties . . . or participation in a common plan or conspiracy . . . to wage an aggressive war." The Bush doctrine of "pre-emption" really had nothing to do with pre-empting an Iraqi attack on the U.S. It is simply the widely discredited Nazi doctrine of "preventive war" established by Hitler to claim the right to attack any country that may pose some possible threat at an unspecific time in the future. FALSE PROFITS: THE INSIDE STORY OF BCCI, THE WORLD'S MOST CORRUPT FINANCIAL EMPIRE, by award-winning journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin, documents in detail that Bush brothers Jeb and George both had close links to the drug-running Bank of Credit and Commerce International (aka "Bank of Crooks and Criminals International," according to the CIA). Criminal and civil suits against BCCI establish that Bush's good buddy James R. Bath, was a close business associate of Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law, terrorist financier Khalid bin Mahfouz. Moore correctly shows that Bath and Bush were both disciplined by the Air National Guard at the same time. Professor Katherine Van Wormer, co-author of the authoritative text ADDICTION TREATMENT, suggests that "George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call 'the dry drunk.' His behavior fits a pattern of years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use." These are just a few facts that Michael Moore left out of his fair and balanced documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. Those who hate this moderate, well-documented film may be most bothered by the actual footage of President Bush. Key scenes include: Bush's infamous, endless study of My Pet Goat in an elementary school class while the World Trade Center burned; Bush's legendary banquet speech referring to "the haves and have- mores" as "my base"; Bush's bumbling, malapropic final warning to "don't be fooled again." What most bugs F911 critics is clearly not the material Michael Moore presents. It's the fair and balanced footage of George W. Bush revealing who he truly is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally a little quote from an old "pal". "Why of course the people don't want war... It is the leaders... who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along... all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -Hermann Goring

Fuck it! He should have called them bitches and gone all the way! Man I love "scandal".

Well since I am a "hippie" then are you going to pretend that the majority of your opinions do not come from the right wing POV? If so then you can pretend I'm not a hippie. Must have hit pretty close to home for him to get him all "shootin'".

It's Bullshit!! Lies! This point doesn't matter!!! Hey, the guy backed his movie up with sources. Get over it Mike. The movie is out. The movie will make over a 100 mil. There isn't a fucking thing you can do about it. So keep yelling at the void. Your boy got caught with his own words and hung HIMSELF! Moore just pointed everyone in the direction to see it.

Like this one time I saw this guy make an example of something the guys on the right do. Then I saw the guy on the right make with a comeback using the same tactic the first guy had used as an example. And next time type all the names. Quit being lazy.

Here is a link to an mp3 for the first new Pixies song released in over ten years. Its called Bam Thwok and its really good. Having been a Pixies fan since forever, I am super geeked to see them back together. http://www.justusandrain.com/Pixies%20-%20Bam%20Thwok.mp3 Enjoy!

Thanks for the hint about the media player. The Misawa/Kobashi match was awesome.

Good. Good. GOOD! Fuck the House of Saud! Nice to see them finally getting slapped.

Might need to re-check the info, as links between Al Qaeda and Iraq existed as far back as 1991. There is a reason why they never caused problems in Iraq. -=Mike Were they allies of the group that attacked us at the time of the attack? Not according to the 9/11 Commission, who completely dismissed the idea. Oh, wait, you're a conservative, I'm sure you've got some conspiracy theory about commission members attending liberal movies or something.... -Xias Because in the conservative world, Republicians really want to hurt their own party! Whether or not they were actually involved in 9/11 doesn't mean they weren't allied in one way or another, nimrod. Even if 9/11 didn't have any Iraqi involvement, that doesn't dim the fact that Iraq was big into helping terrorist groups and other dangerous extremists in the Middle East. Eh, wait, you're a yuppie. You don't actually know how the real world works, so what's the use in trying to explain anything to you. -Powerplay ... Damn, you are just so friggin' familiar... Thank you!

Oh and we'd be speaking german today if we didn't get involved in WWII? Riiiiight. Either way Hitler went he was gonna have his Waterloo. Either with the Russian winter or that big pond 'tween us and Europe. DUH! Besides all the guy writing the article wants is for the Bush Admins. to put more focus back on bin Laden and al Queda! What is wrong with that?

Stoned Del. student gets lost in Conn. Associated Press 07/11/2004 A Delaware college student ate a bag of hallucinogenic mushrooms and drove around in a pair of stolen cars before arriving, confused, on a mountain in northwest Connecticut police said. Paul Cunningham, 21, hiked to a nearby home Thursday night and asked to call 911, police said. "I think I stole a car," Cunningham told a dispatcher. "I'm not sure." Police said Cunningham, of Dover, Del., confessed that eating an entire bag of mushrooms, "probably wasn't a good idea." He allegedly told investigators that he had no idea how many laws he broke during a three-day excursion that took him 300 miles from home. A student at Wilmington College, he told a state trooper that he bought the drugs in Dover on Monday, according to the Republican-American of Waterbury. The next day, he went for a drive and twice got lost in Connecticut. He told police he remembers taking a train to LaGuardia Airport in New York, where he found a car with its keys in it. He's unsure where he went from there. "I once again found myself lost in Connecticut," Cunningham reportedly told police. After locking the keys in the stolen car, Cunningham allegedly stole a van from a Southbury rest stop. In Canaan, he decided to climb Music Mountain to see what was on the other side, police said. Investigators believe the exercise cleared Cunningham's head. "I want to correct my mistakes," Cunningham reportedly told Trooper Andre Roy. "In retrospect, this was a bad idea." He volunteered a written confession, police said. He was arraigned Friday and was held on $2,500 bail. Both stolen vehicles were recovered. --------------------------------------- Hahaha! What a dolt! I've taken plenty of shrooms and never done that much stupid shit. Though I did get lost on a street I had driven down many many times.

How vets get treated in this country is one of the central reasons I am against this war. My step-father has been a counselor to vets his whole career and during my younger years I met quite a few of them. Alot of these guys are messed up in the head resulting from seeing alot of the shit they have experienced. They would tell me all kinds of stories of tragic human horror, that would often blow the mind of a 12 year old. I often wondered why it wasn't THEM who were on the frontlines of the protests to stop subsequent wars. I guess they gotta make it mean something, to help them feel a little less empty.

It would be kind of tricky for anybody making the game to commit to certain moves, I'd think. Since most CAWs keep the finishers out of the main selection of moves, it would be hard to give Eugene ALL of the finishers he has used thus far.

A little something that makes a point. The Real Enemy Staring Us in the Face By BOB HERBERT July 12, 2004, New York Times Justin Hunt, a young man from Wildomar, Calif., about 75 miles east of Los Angeles, was determined to join the Marines. When recruiters pointed out that he was grossly overweight, he spent a year losing more than 150 pounds. Then he signed up and was promptly sent to Iraq, where he was killed last Tuesday in an explosion. He was 22. Three American soldiers, not yet publicly identified, were killed yesterday in two separate attacks on military patrols north of Baghdad. On Saturday four marines were killed in a vehicle accident near Falluja. And five more American soldiers were killed Thursday in a mortar attack on a base in the Sunni-dominated city of Samarra. For what? Even as these brave troops were dying in the cruel and bloody environs of Iraq, the Senate Intelligence Committee in Washington was unfurling its damning unanimous report about the incredibly incompetent intelligence that the Bush administration used to justify this awful war. The bipartisan committee, headed by Republican Senator Pat Roberts, declared that the key intelligence assessments trumpeted by President Bush as the main reasons for invading Iraq were unfounded. Nearly 900 G.I.'s and more than 10,000 Iraqi civilians have already perished, and there is no end to the war in sight. The situation is both sorrowful and disorienting. The colossal intelligence failures and the willful madness of the administration, which presented war as the first and only policy option, can leave you with the terrible feeling that you're standing at the graveside of common sense and reasonable behavior. A government with even a nodding acquaintance with competence and good sense would have launched an all-out war against Al Qaeda, not Iraq, in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11. After all, it was Al Qaeda, not Iraq, that carried out the sneak attack on American soil that destroyed the World Trade Center and part of the Pentagon and killed 3,000 people. You might think that would have been enough to provoke an all-out response from the U.S. Instead we saved our best shot for the demented and already checkmated dictator of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda must have gotten a good laugh out of that. Now they're planning to come at us again. On Thursday, the same day Iraqi insurgents killed the five G.I.'s in Samarra, the Bush administration disclosed that bin Laden and his lieutenants, believed to be operating from hideouts along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, were directing an effort by Al Qaeda to unleash an encore attack against the United States. According to Tom Ridge, the homeland security secretary, the latest effort may well be timed to disrupt the fall elections. If that happens, I wonder if we'll finally get serious about the war we should be fighting against bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Maybe not. Based on the impenetrable logic of the president and his advisers, a new strike by Al Qaeda might lead us to start a war with, say, Iran, or Syria. If we know that bin Laden and his top leadership are somewhere along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, and that they're plotting an attack against the United States, why are we not zeroing in on them with overwhelming force? Why is there not a sense of emergency in the land, with the entire country pulling together to stop another Sept. 11 from occurring? Why are we not more serious about this? I don't know what the administration was thinking when it invaded Iraq even as the direct threat from bin Laden and Al Qaeda continued to stare us in the face. That threat has only intensified. The war in Iraq consumed personnel and resources badly needed in the campaign against bin Laden and his allies. And it has fanned the hatred of the U.S. among Muslims around the world. Instead of destroying Al Qaeda, we have played right into its hands and contributed immeasurably to its support. Most current intelligence analysts agree with Secretary Ridge that Al Qaeda will try before long to strike the U.S. mainland once again. We've trained most of our guns on the wrong foe. The real enemy is sneaking up behind us. Again. The price to be paid for not recognizing this could be devastating. ---------------------------- No shit. It's about time SOMEBODY started yelling about getting the "Mission Accomplished" with bin Laden and Co. Then again, maybe we can hold out til the elections and have bin Laden "found" just in time. Right? RIGHT??? Poor Abby Hoffman, you warned us about these kinds of people.

Let the woman speak. I would like to hear what she has to say so that I can judge for myself. So what if it MIGHT do damage to Bush and his wacky crew. Gotta wonder what they are so afraid of.

Except the economy is doing well and Iraq is much better off now than it was a year ago. But if living in denial makes you happy, feel free. -=Mike Well I keep hearing about more of OUR soldiers being killed all the time. I won't call the economy "good" til its starts to pay off for ME. More rich assholes getting richer doesn't mean shit to ME or the majority of people I know. Show me the money. Show me the proof. Gay people can do what they want. It's their right. The right likes to believe that since thay "have religion on their side" they have the moral high ground. Even though most of them support this bullshit war, which features lots of people getting killed everyday.

Star Ratings: Benoit/HHH - **** Really hot match without the predictable HHH always goes over crap. Sure, it leaves things WIDE open for a rematch. I think that was the point tho. Molly/Victoria - * Nothing special, but didn't suck too bad. Popcorn match. Edge/Orton - ****1/4 One of the best matches this year. The early portion that everybody seems to not like sold the exhaustion factor really well. Not all weardown moves are worked towards wasting time and resting. Orton was ACTIVE during them IMO (i.e. trapping Egdes legs in a grapevine keeping him from escaping).I was calling out for a Tully Blanchard Slingshiot suplex from Orton but never got it Kane/Hardy - **1/2 Match was decent til the finish, which I have seen Kane use that spot waaaaay too many times. Plus, I agree Kane should have gone over but with a semi-screwjob like feet on the ropes or something to set up a match perhaps after Hardys surgury. Flair & Eugene - *** A good time. Eugene got much of his face heat back here. Flair just being there helped alot. La Rez looks pretty good these days too. Rhyno & Tajiri/Coach and Cade - Missed most of this have to watch the tape. Crowd seemed into it tho.

I was thinking about what moves would be added to Eugenes moveset in some of the next wrestling games. Since he mirrors so many other wrestlers should they also add some other wrestlers moves like Hogan? Easily recognisable, but maybe something he hadn't done before? Rock Bottom and the Peoples elbow... of course. After tonite, add some of the Flair moves. The Stunner.... Anything else?

I dunno I remember a guy named Bret Hart getting screwed pretty bad awhile back.

Oh good! ANOTHER PR Nightmare.

I heard this guy on a local talk radio show some time ago. He's a real douche who's only hoping for a big payday. I think I remember him saying that his gameplan is to also sue some big retailer that didn't require ID checks or something, too... Wasn't Thompson also involved with the 2 Live Crew bust back a million years ago? His name rings a bell. He can eat my BUTT. There I said it. I hope he is properly dismissed and angry. He can blame Vice City for this outburst.

Oh I know it. BUT ya gotta throw the haters a bone once in awhile.

Before, most notably, Slipknot and Insane Clown Posse made putting on masks and playing loud music cool, there was GWAR. Since when do the ICP wear masks? I hope GWAR finally eats my car. It's an Audi. It deserves it.