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Some others I forgot: -Scott Stevens: He's in, captain of 3 Cup winners, long career, one of the most feared players in league history. -Luc Robitaille: Highest scoring LW ever, he should be a shoo-in. -Phil Housley: Long career, high scoring defenceman. A little suspect defensively, so I'd put him in the borderline category.

to the liquor store They have gum, right?

Why do you pick so many fights?

I hardly posted in this thread at all.

Stop the madness. Stop the ellipses.

Yeah, I know how you feel. I let Sopel go right before he got hot, now I'm having trouble getting a 4th defenceman who can rack up points.

I think Gilmour's helped by the fact that his best years happened in Toronto. It wouldn't have had the same impact had it happened in St. Louis or Calgary, but that's not to diminish the fact that he was a VERY good player during that time period. Richter was hurt by playing for some bad teams towards the end of his career, as well as sharing #1 duties with John Vanbiesbrouck for a little while at the start of his career. He wasn't the clear-cut #1 guy until Beezer left for Florida in the expansion draft.

I put Roberts and Nolan on the list because I remembered reading some article discussing the Leafs and listing them as potential Hall of Famers. I'll admit I'm biased and that they are long shots, but I just wanted to gauge opinion on them. Completely forgot about Shanahan, Nieuwendyk, and Lidstrom, though. I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 got in, as Lidstrom's one of the best defenceman of this era, while Nieuwendyk and Shanahan have 3 Cups apiece plus an Olympic Gold (plus Nieuwendyk and Lidstrom are Conn Smythe winners).

Well, no one would ever admit it, but I'd be willing to bet that most politicians would kill to be half the public speaker Hitler was.

Forgot about Chelios completely, but meant to put Modano on the list (probably under borderline, but he's not that far from a lock, IMO). I put Richter as a lock as I figured he's probably the best American born goalie ever. Add his Stanley Cup, World Cup, and Silver Medal into the equation and he's in, in my book, and more deserving of the honour than CuJo, whom he beat in the World Cup final. The only thing CuJo's really won is the Gold Medal as a back-up. CuJo may have been more dominant over his career, but fact that he's never won anything hurts him. As for Roy, I think after Gretzky the HoF pretty much said that was the last time they would waive the eligibility rule. Can't really blame them as retirement doesn't mean much anymore these days (as we've seen with Hasek coming back after only 1 year and a HoFer 'playing' [when he's not hurt] in Pittsburgh).

Vince McMahon is like Hitler.

Which one's the Hitler one, since I'm stuck on dial-up and don't feel like looking through a bunch of ads trying to find that one. Thanks.

Fuck, this was the THIRD year in a row Canada blew a 3rd period lead in the Gold Medal game. Well, congrats to the US, anyway.

I'm partial to the one I nominated, obviously.

I should have put Teemu Selanne and Paul Kariya on the borderline list, as they probably have a better shot at being inducted than some of the players already on the list.

Every sport has it's players that are locks for the Hall of Fame once they become eligible (Mark Messier, Roger Clemens, etc.) but I'm always interested in those players who have had good to very good careers and could be 'controversial' picks for the Hall of Fame in their respective sport. I'm going to focus on hockey, since there's less chance of me making myself look foolish. Locks: -Mark Messier -Steve Yzerman -Ron Francis -Al MacInnis -Brett Hull -Ray Bourque -Joe Sakic -Patrick Roy -Dominik Hasek -Martin Brodeur -Mike Richter -Ed Belfour -Brian Leetch -Jaromir Jagr I'm sure there's a couple that I've missed (or maybe a few that could be disputed) so feel free to argue those ones. Borderline -Pavel Bure: For a time, one of the most dominant players in the league. Injuries de-railed him a bit, but he still has over 400 goals and averaged over a point per game for his career. -Curtis Joseph: Top line goalie, but lack of Vezina award or Stanley Cup hurts. Will have at least 400 career wins, probably 450+ when he's done. -Peter Forsberg: Definitely the most likely to get in of anyone I list in the borderline category. A little injury prone, but a dominant player when he's healthy. Has 2 Cups plus other individual awards (including Olympic Gold Medal). I'd vote him in. -Chris Pronger: Former MVP, one of the best d-men in the league when healthy. If he continues to play at this rate, he'll be a lock in no time. -Rob Blake: Kind of in the same boat as Pronger, but has a Cup to his name (thanks to a deadline trade). Just has to continue playing as he has. -Doug Gilmour: 2 outstanding years and a consistent career otherwise. A Cup, a Selke trophy, and a runner-up to the Hart. His years in Toronto could work in his favour. -Sergei Fedorov: Also close to the top of the list. Hart Trophy and 3 Cups to his name. Probably helped a bit by playing for a great team like Detroit, but he was a very important part of their 3 Cup wins. -Dave Andreychuk: 600+ goals and will end up with 1300+ points. Never a dominant player, but a very important part of the Leafs teams in the early-mid '90s. -Theo Fleury: Substance abuse problems put a damper on an otherwise stellar career. A Stanley Cup and Olympic Gold Medal to his name. -Gary Roberts: Point total isn't great, but always a factor. Has a Cup. -Mats Sundin: Along with Forsberg and Borje Salming (and Markus Naslund, too, probably), one of the best Swedes to ever play in the NHL. Hasn't won any big awards yet, which could hurt him. Winning a Cup, especially if it happens with the Leafs, would help his cause greatly. -Daniel Alfredsson: Probably a notch below Sundin, Forsberg, and Naslund as far as Swedish players go, but was Rookie of the Year. Has the possibility of being the captain of a great team for years to come, which would definitely help his cause. -Markus Naslund: Same situation as Alfredsson, as the Canucks look to be a dominant team for the next few years. -Todd Bertuzzi: If he continues to be one of the dominant power forwards in the NHL, leading the Canucks to a Cup or 2, he's as good as in. -Owen Nolan: Would need to win something besides the Gold medal before the end of his career, as he has always been a good player, just never on a team that went anywhere. I don't think he's ever been past the 2nd round of the playoffs. That's all I'll touch on for now, but there are a ton more that you could debate all night. Add your own, dispute mine, or whatever.

I'm just going to bump up this thread to brag about how I'm only 3 points out of 1st now.

Oh, I also hate it when people make stupid typos in topic titles on very easy to spell words. I mean, "Kevin Nahs officially gone from the WWE!", that's horrible. Have some pride.

Do you have Cyborg Justice?

I should clarify that I doesn't really bug me when it's in the actual post (as long as it's used sparingly and your post doesn't read, 'Well.......... You know....... I think that was good.... but not THAT good... you know?), just in the title and topic description. Yeah, weird stuff bothers me, I know.

Crazy going slowly am I.

What's the point of the fucking ellipses? Especially annoying is when the ellipse is followed by a question mark (What Do You Think...?) or when it's extended to 40 periods (My Opinion....................................................). Please stop, for my sanity.

This game is so coming down to Vanderjagt missing a chip shot and costing the Colts the game.

"We want the ball, we're gonna score!" Awesome.

You must mean feet, because 4 inches isn't going to make any difference.