Use Your Illusion

Jesus, Prince Paul is King Badass around here and THAT fucking proves it. It's pathetic how serious half of you are taking it though, espicially Banky over at the UGS - they're arguing over who is the 'egomaniac' and who has 'too much power'. Banky's calling people juvenile? What!? Ahem. UYI

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The second he is proven guilty is the second I admit I was wrong about him. It's not so much that this is Michael Jackson, just that people instantly leap to the conclusion that he's guilty, and that angers me to no end. Just because someone is different doesn't exactly make them Jack the Ripper and while I do not agree with Jackson's choice to allow children to sleep over (whom are all there via parental permission, as mentioned earlier), I refuse to make any allegation until there is concrete evidence that proves he is doing something illegal. And JAxl, I believe JOTW was referring to our conversation earlier in the thread where we became slightly off-topic. UYI

You have the will power to actually do that? Very admirable. UYI

Music peaked in the 70's, with the majority of successfull musicians becoming the most influential figures in music history. It's gradually gone downhill ever since, really (with a few exceptions, of course) UYI

Jackson doesn't have the career to pull off a Polanski, or at least not these days. His last big hit was Bad and things have been going downhill FAST ever since Dangerous, where the weird shit in the video to Black and White set off all this stuff because of his questionable decisions (the post-video destruction of the car / crotchgrabbing session, etc.) . The car-smashing portion of the video, 'Black or White', is meant to portray Michael Jackson overcoming and dominating racial slurrs, media scandals and the lies of people out to make money off his name. It's symbolic of that, and I don't see what is so controversial about it. UYI

The same jury that wouldn't convict Robert Durst, despite the fact that the guy says "Yes, I killed him and then chopped him up into little pieces later." Never underestimate the stupidity of people. OJ didn't get convicted. Durst didn't get convicted. And there's a possibility Jackson wouldn't get convicted either if this went to court. It remains to be seen. I stand corrected.

And that is what makes you better than the common man. Feel any different? UYI

^ beating a dead horse

Where they "should" be is late-2000-WCW numbers. Jesus Christ, who thought we'd ever be saying THAT?

I was only joking around, but I do see your point. UYI

Jackson faces charges of lewd contact with child Bail set at $3 million; singer directed to surrender Wednesday, November 19, 2003 Posted: 6:42 PM EST (2342 GMT) SANTA BARBARA, California (CNN) -- Authorities have issued an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson on multiple counts of child molestation and have directed him to surrender and turn in his passport, Santa Barbara County authorities said Wednesday. Jackson is expected to turn himself in to authorities in Santa Barbara late Thursday morning, a knowledgeable source told CNN. District Attorney Tom Sneddon said Jackson faces multiple counts of lewd or lascivious contact with a child younger than 14. Jackson could face a minimum of three years and a maximum of eight years in prison on each count if convicted. Authorities said bail on the warrant was set at $3 million. A judge has ordered affidavits in the case sealed for 45 days. "We would encourage him to turn himself in and cooperate with law enforcement," said Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson. Sneddon said his message for Jackson is: "Get over here and get checked in." Jackson's spokesman, Stuart Backerman, released a statement saying arrangements have been made with the district attorney for Jackson "to return to Santa Barbara to immediately confront and prove these charges unfounded." He promised the allegations will be proved false in court. "Michael would never harm a child in any way," he said. "When the evidence is presented and the allegations proven to be malicious and wholly unfounded, Michael will be able to put this nightmare behind him." Sneddon said child molestation charges will be filed soon. No civil suit has been filed in the case and none is expected, he said. "We have a cooperative victim in this particular proceeding," Sneddon said. Authorities asked other possible victims to come forward. CBS announced Wednesday that "given the gravity of the charges" against Jackson it was postponing a special program on him scheduled for November 26. The allegations come almost a decade after Jackson settled a lawsuit filed on behalf of a boy who slept over at Neverland Ranch when he was 13 and accused Jackson of molesting him. Criminal investigators stopped pursuing their case after the lawsuit was settled and the boy -- by then 14 -- made clear he did not want to participate in any prosecution of the singer. The law has since been changed to allow prosecutors to force an alleged molestation victim to testify against a defendant. Sneddon said he did not know whether the parents of the accuser were aware of the past allegations. Dozens of law enforcement officers searched Jackson's Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara for about 13 hours Tuesday, and search warrants were served on two other locations in Southern California where some property was seized, authorities said. Jackson's mansion is on a 2,600-acre estate about 50 miles (80 kilometers) northwest of Santa Barbara and features amusement park rides, a petting zoo and statues of children. Backerman said the tone of the authorities' news conference was disturbing. "We are disturbed by the levity of the environment surrounding the announcement of these very serious charges," he said. Backerman said the singer has been in Las Vegas, Nevada, for the past two-and-a-half weeks, shooting a video for the song "One More Chance." That single is on his "Number Ones" album, a greatest-hits collection released Tuesday by Epic Records. Questions have been raised about whether the execution of the search warrants was timed to coincide with the music release. Sneddon rejected that idea. "In fact, we were going to execute these warrants several weeks ago, but had to put it off" for operational reasons, he said. "It really has nothing to do with his album or whatever else he's doing in his life." The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said Santa Barbara police have not asked permission to arrest Jackson in Las Vegas, which they would do if they wanted to arrest him immediately rather than allowing him to return to Santa Barbara and turn himself in. Attorney Mark Geragos -- who has been representing Scott Peterson in a high-profile California trial -- will be Jackson's lead attorney, Backerman said. Brian Oxman, an attorney for the Jackson family, told CNN he believes the investigation stems from someone else seeking financial gain from Jackson. "It is a case of excitement and hysteria because we have the same accusations that we had 10 years ago," he said. "It's like playing the playoffs all over again." Terms of the settlement of the lawsuit -- filed in 1993 and settled the next year -- were confidential, though the boy's attorney said at the time the boy and his family were happy to resolve the matter. Johnnie Cochran, Jackson's attorney in that case, said at the time that Jackson maintained his innocence and that the settlement was in no way an admission of guilt. CNN's Frank Buckley, Charles Feldman and Stan Wilson contributed to this report. ------- What jury WOULDN'T convict Michael Jackson? Ick. This is bad. UYI

How? All she did was warm up the corner while Molly busted ass. She's worthless. UYI

Which is horsehit in it's own right. If anyone should die in pain it's him. Bring back public hangings.

I don't. All up, I'd say i've heard maybe only a handful of new songs this year because I straight out refuse to be around that shit. However, sometimes its unavoidable, for example when im out at clubs or out drinking with friends. My argument was just that I fear for those in the key demographic. Being subjected to such trash (and I can distinguish between good music or not, regardless of age) can't be good for one's mentality. UYI

so does that mean Charles Manson is only sick because the world makes him that way? Absolutely.

Well, I mean if the guy is guilty of child molestation, I think he may have strayed from that whole "traditional values" thing. Traditional in their beliefs? His dad beat the hell out of all of them how many times? Isn't that traditional though? Joseph Jackson strongly believed that you must have total respect for your parents and that there were consequences for those in his family that didn't. Maybe 'traditional' isn't the word I'm looking for, but the way their family was structured was certainly old fashioned. UYI

I cant see that happening. If Mike was going to kill himself, he'd of done it by now. Besides, his family is VERY tradtional in their beliefs, and I have no doubt that MJ would strongly disagree with suicide as it is seen as a one way ticket to eternal damnation, or whatever you wacky Christians are calling Hell these days. Things could get very ,very ugly. UYI

If they put MJ in prison with ANYONE he's a fucking deadman. UYI

*hands MX copy of 'Me Against The Music'* Listen to this without cutting off any limbs and maybe I'll buy your argument. UYI

Notice how my obsession for one Mr. Rose has led me to be totally oblivious to that fact? I can see it now, but only because you've pointed it out. He needs to do something about that hair he's sporting these days though. UYI

Chinese Democracy will come out when China is actually a democracy. On a side note, I hear early 2004 now God, I am such a schmuck. You and ever other GNR fan, JAx. And is Zsasz like this to everyone? 'Cause honestly I've never noticed any of this. UYI

Axl's had plastic surgery!? And as for MJ, you're only as sick as the world makes you. UYI

You do realize if they do find evidence, or if he is convicted I will be breaking your balls for all eternity right? Haha, by all means do so. News updates here in Australia are saying that police now have an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson. This is so fucking stupid. They have more fucking weaponry there at Neverland than they used against Sadaam. *sigh* UYI

It's not like he specifically has 'little boys' over either. Hundreds of children visit Neverland, all there by parent consent, Michael doesn't allow any child in there without the permission of their parents. It was the media and public who made the assumption he had sex with those children, not him. So who's the sicko again? Eh, I'm not going to start this argument again. UYI