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He tried to invade Kuwait and likely would have posed a serious threat to Israel. You do realize that appeasement was used with Hitler figuring "he's not such a threat", let him just invade a country or 2 and he'll leave everyone else alone. Those who appease evil are no better than the perpretators. There's a HUGE difference betwen Hitler and Saddam. Even comparing their respective military strength of arms is preposterious. Same with comparing them at all. two different wars, two different areas of the world, two different centuries. it's apples and oranges. The only true difference is success rate. If the allies had INSTANTLY attacked Hitler after he went after Poland he'd have been screwed. Militarily, Iraq during the Persian Gulf War had one of the greatest land armies known to man in sheer bulk. But in ambition and government, no, there isn't much different with Hitler and Saddam. Just ask the Shite Muslims.

:Comes out of the shadows, dodges and lets it hits Spike, then returns to the darkness.:

Well fuck, then let's go back in time and stop WWII while we are at it. That comment doesn't make much sense, man. Well, explain to me how it is that much worse in Iraq today than it was when Saddam was in power and you'll have a valid point. Otherwise... ... ... ... A "bad" man? Are you dense? The guy has gassed his own people, committed numerous heinous acts such as torture, murder, rape (Uday picking girls off the street for this one), terrorizing his population, funding suicide bombers, and growing rich off black market trading that violated UN Orders while keeping his people in incredible poverty. This man has killed 1 Million people abroad and even more in his own country. And you only call him "bad"? The fact that you can't see this man is a bit beyond the normal "Bad" guy? God, some people... So basically you are saying we should never, under any circumstances, try to root out tolitarian governments that constantly commit horrible acts, let alone one that could easily destablize a region that is unstable already? Are you Dennis Kucinich?

"I have conclusive evidence that, apparently, I was also in Korea!"

Don't worry. One day, Michael Moore will support something that I agree with and you can use that against me .

I agree with the above sentiments. I could have sworn he made some saber rattling comments right after the Chinese Fighter/Navy Recon plane incident.

Hey Jobber, you'd better c/p that and send it to your state legislature some time soon . Edit: The spending part, that is. And thus the point of this post is lost...

I'm personally fine with Civil Unions (w/all benefits of a married couple). I just think that going for Marriage is something that'll garner way too much resistance and hostility for something so little as a word.

Holy shit, you just gave the best description of Kucinich I've ever read.

Eddy Mac: What I'm talking about is he is motivating voters on the left side of the spectrum who don't normally vote because he is making them think he's a true blue liberal. That's all fun and good, but the fact is that he's going to sacrifice those really liberal beliefs for centerist ones so he can win the election, which means he'll just turn into another "Washington Politician" that the re-motivated part doesn't like. He's either going to lose his original voting base to go after moderates or keep his original base but lose the moderates by staying to the left. And a note on "People voting just to get Bush out of Office": Everyone in Michigan thought that they could get John Engler (Someone who I personally dislike a LOT) out of office, but he won reelection twice because the candidates were either lackluster or only appealling to the far left. Fire can get you a lot of places, but Geoffery Fieger is a fiery speaker, too, and he lost BIG TIME. And Bush is FAR more popular than Prince John ever was.

What the FUCK about the Wild men of Dunland? Those boys are white trash all the way, fucktard! And the Uruk-Hai are a mix of Orc and Dunlanding anyways, so technically all the Uruks you see are half white. God, what idiots.

Actually CNN did a small bit on this not that long ago covering that it was gonna go on and who the judges were gonna be, so this isn't something that is going on in secrecy. But looking at the ads... Run them. Swear to God, run them every day 24 hours if you want; It'll be the best endorsement the Republican party has ever had because frankly, whoever makes those types of ads are the ones that normal people do NOT identify with. I say more comparing him with Hitler, less developing platforms to run on! That's the motto of the Democratic Party 2K2~!

I said it before and I'll say it again, the problem is he's going to have to go back to the center to win the election and alienate these people who actually think that he's going to run as a liberal. He can't go back to the center without loosing some of his big new voting base and he's never going to get enough "Voting sucks!" people (Which are generally leftists) to beat out the moderate vote. He's painted himself into a huge corner and I seriously don't see a way for him to get back out. See, the only reason I would see Lieberman really failing is because Democrats wouldn't give him their full support because he is more of a centerist. Lieberman could easily get a big moderate vote because of his support of the current Foreign Policy but can differentiate himself on Social issues, which is what Bush could be considered weakest on. The only way I see him being a completely damned Candidate is because of the Democrats, not the Republicans. I highlighted that because it surprised me the most. What the hell is Dean's plan for the economy besides the ultra-vague "1 Billion Dollars to Economic Growth"? Couple that with a rescintion of ALL the Bush tax cuts (Something none of the other real contenders have even dreamt of saying), I honestly don't see him doing anything besides curling up to your average active college lib or hardcore dem. Can anyone explain to me in more depth what I'm really missing here?

No, this really is the real me (really) and I'm not even so much defending it as saying that I don't think it's the end the campaign you guys think it is. Personally, I don't think it's THAT unreasonable but I don't think it's likely. Well, this alone won't end his campaign. But if he keeps up the pace of his gaffs then he's gonna go under pretty quickly. And it does lack a lot of logic to it: Try him in a place where he has committed no crimes against anyone instead of the place he actually committed his deeds? I hope you understand why this seems so out there to me...

He ran an international terror organization and had terrorist training camps. What's more illegal than that? Well, since we are looking at the criminal code of Afganistan here, we can't punish him with Afgani law retroactively since the Taliban did support his operations. And to say that's greater than the 3,000 charges of murder and conspiracy to commit murder is, well, kinda out there. Try to remember that Osama has actually done more in his life than 9/11. This is part of the problem in these debates: People who are so full of self-pity they can't see the forest for the trees and concentrate the big picture. ... Excuse me, but please explain to me what evil he has committed that is greater than what he did on September 11th, Jobber. I've never heard of him committing massive atrocities there. The Taliban, maybe. But realize this isn't the Taliban. Whatever he has done in Afganistan (If anything) is of little consequence when compared to the attacks he has committed against the US. I don't see a forest because there is only one tree, Jobber. Get it straight. Are you INANE? To compare the few things that he has directly done to a few American citizens, while tragic, does not at overrule the incredible terror and torture that he inflicted on the Iraqi people. Are you drunk tonight or something, Jobber? This is not at all like you to defend something so utterly out there like trying Osama in Afganistan.

Eh, I see Kucinich being the REAL ultra-left guy. Doesn't Dean support the NRA? Indeed he does, though gun-control has become less and less of an issue nowadays for politicians (imho). That, and his stance on Medicare makes up for that and more on the "Lefty scale". Comrade Kucinich is in a league of his own, to be honest.

You know, the more I think about it, I kinda wish Bush would do a speech, and at the end leave a little non-chalant footnote like "Oh yes, and we captured Osama Bin Laden yesterday in a cave on the Afganistan-Pakistan border. The Marine Captain who was in charge of the operation promptly took out his sidearm and put a bullet straight through his head. We'll be sending pictures out tomorrow. God bless America."

See, this is where he's going to have to kill himself. He's leaned out and bent over backwards to build this grass-roots left-wing support to get him through the primary. Problem is, to get elected, he's going to have to move way back towards the center. This is gonna mean he's going to have to drop that grass-roots support so he can appeal to a broader base, ruining this "I'm not your average politician" look. If he doesn't, he'll fail to garner the middle and lose the election. Dean has painted himself into a corner and there's no way he can get back out.

But that's what we're doing for Saddam! You do realize that's what Dean is talking about here, right? Taking him back to Afghanistan and getting a public trial there. Sure, he'll be found guilty, but it's the message that counts. But, you see, Osama didn't commit any crimes in Afganistan. What would you try him for there? This was a crime committed against the US, not Afganistan. Now the Taliban elite, okay. But Osama? Nuh-uh. He's our man. Otherwise you are just giving a flip at all the people who had family who died in 9/11 for a publicity stunt. Saddam committed his crimes against Iraqi citizens. He should be tried there. Osama committed crimes against the US. He should be tried here.

I agree with Vyce completely, though I am more a fan of James Longstreet, Lee's right-hand man. Brilliant mind as well, but oft-overlooked because he was always in either Jackson's or Lee's shadow.

See, I think it's stupid to suggest this because there is no possible way you could find an unbiased jury. Seriously, Joe off the street already knows Osama is guilty (And rightly so) and you'd have to absolutely scour the depths of Dearborn to find 12 people who actually liked him. You absolutely adore him or you want to crucify him. There's no point to a jury trial here. In all honesty, either give him a bench trial infront of the SCOTUS (Just forgo the months of appeallate courts dealing with him) or put him infront of a Military Tribunal (If it is good enough for our soldiers to be tried by it definitely should be good enough for Osama. I really never understood all the hub-bub and fear of these things...). In all likelihood he'd be put in a completely seperate block from the other inmates because of the violence that would occur. There's no way he'd be put with regular criminals, that's for sure. Personally I'd like to see a military prison built for the sheer purpose of holding these scumbags.

I swear to God I hate you guys sometimes. I really, really do. And if you call me Judge I WILL get you permabanned from everything in your life. Really.

Wow. Color me VERY surprised. Either he's insane or his campaign manager just went over the deep end. I mean, seriously, this constant flip-floppery to try and reach voters is reaching critical mass very quickly.

We call that sort of justification the "weapons of mass destruction loophole." Well, we haven't been definitively proved that WMDs weren't there. Now, being from Detroit, I call this one the "Colemen Young, this is YOUR CHILD" precedent. You've been proven wrong, you just never admit to it.

Saddam Hussein was never a threat to the US. He had no weapons capable of reaching the US. He had no plans to attack the US or US interests. Still no WMD found either. Bull. Shit. Kays found in his first report a new missile program and missiles that the Iraqi Government had been working on that could reach Cairo, Egypt, and could easily reach Jeruselum. This also ignores the fact that he gives money to suicide bombers, once again threatening US Interests. And as stated before NUMEROUS TIMES, he wasn't an immeninent threat. Then again, if we had waited for them to become an imminent threat it would be too late. We were stopping a guy who was trying hard to become a threat again to us from ever becoming one again.