Rob E Dangerously

And a bit of a followup http://www.eurekareporter.com/Stories/fp-06180405.htm http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/43/news-arellano.php

I consider this a screwjob. I'm running an OOTP5 league.. for the heck of it, I make the #1 pick.. turns out I probably messed up. Here's the stats for the guy in Single A 28 starts, 6.00 ERA, 9-14, 180 innings, 145 strikeouts/65 walks I called him up in September. Here's how that went. Game #1: 2.2 IP, 11 H, 13 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 82 pitches, Game Score: Minus 19 Game #2: 3 IP, 10 H, 10 ER, 5 BB (2 intentional), 1 K, 89 pitches, Game Score: Minus 7 Now, here are the splits, keep in mind that this guy is a left handed pitcher. v. LHB: .680/.710/1.040 (17 for 25) v. RHB: .364/.533/.364 (4 for 11) He has a way to go, it seems

Robzilla is on Hiatus.. Smarks Board Name: Rob E. Dangerously Wrestlers Name: Rob Gilbert Nickname(s): Robzilla the Lady-Thrilla Height: 5'11.5" Weight: 165lbs Hometown: Chappaqua, NY Summer Residence: Kennebuckport, ME Winter Residence: Paradise Valley, AZ Age: 18 Face/Heel: Super-Cowardly Heel Stable: none Ring Escort: "The Terrific One" Timothy Valentine (height: 6'0", weight: around 240lbs, Age: 50, bleached blonde hair, dresses in fancy suits. Serves as trainer and mentor) Weapon(s): One Loaded Black glove (left-handed), Chain, Brass Knuckles. Whatever other things he, or Timothy Valentine, can get into the ring Quote: "Let me tell you this", "Yeeeeah" Looks: Gilbert has short red hair, clean-shaven. Long limbs (arms/legs). Not very built physically, skinny. Basically, one of the more unimposing figures in the history of this sport. Street clothes: Dresses in Orange suits, wearing sunglasses and sandals Ring Attire: Bright Orange tights going down to his knees, black elbowpads, black kneepads, wrist tape, orange boots with a white G on them and a white collared shirt with short sleeves (occaisionally wrestles without a shirt). Wears a dark jacket down to the ring. Ring Entrance: ["Serial Thrilla" by Prodigy plays as Gilbert walks though the curtains followed by his trainer/mentor Timothy Valentine. Gilbert ignores the fans as he gets on the apron, and enters the ring as his trainer has the ropes opened for him. Gilbert then holds up his left hand and goes to his corner.] Stats: Strength: 3 (Not that strong) Speed: 5 (Has some agility and can pull off top rope moves) Vitality: 5 (Can take a beating and last for awhile) Charisma: 7 (Has charisma) Style: Awkward. Gilbert is a technical wrestler, when he does wrestle. For a man his size, he rarely leaves his feet, and may brawl at times (unsuccessfully) Signature moves: Flying Elbowdrop Tornado DDT Frog Splash DDT Fisherman's Suplex Russian Legsweep Slingshot Suplex Spinebuster Fistdrop (clean, or with the aid of an illegal object) The Iron Claw (success of this move is.. dubious) Common moves: Elbowdrop Kneedrop Camel Clutch (Scott Steiner-variant, sorta like a rear chin lock) Bulldog Knee to the face Gourdbuster Reverse Neckbreaker Punching to the kidneys (done out of the view of the referee) "Discus Elbow" (Spinning Elbow to the face) Sleeperhold Atomic Drop Gutwrench Suplex Hotshot Backdrop Kneelift Rare moves: Moonsault Finishers: Straight out of Chappaqua (Downward Spiral, Gilbert then rams the guys face into the mat a few times after the move, before going for the pin) Notes: Gilbert has an awkward stance in the ring (a peek-a-boo stance with his hands in front of his face), and isn't afraid to backdown, beg for mercy or keep his distance. Gilbert is also prone to what some would consider 'overselling' (although he's one of the skinnier wrestlers too). Gilbert doesn't mind cheating to win. Bio: Robert Brandon Gilbert got all the good things in life. Why not? his parents were only well-off. He attended private schools and he didn't have the time for the common man. But the one link between him and the usual common person is that Gilbert is a fan of Professional Wrestling. Using his family's wealth, he could get the good seats for whatever events he wanted. But, on his 18th birthday, he shocked his family by annoucing that he wouldn't be going to the prestigous Columbia University, but he would instead buy some of the most talented wrestlers around to train him to become the next great pro wrestler. Now, just months after the end of his training, first with Jackson Vega (who was dismissed from his duties in may) and continuing with his second trainer Mitch Duncan, most Wrestling observers still doubt that Gilbert has any sort of ring talent. But, money gets you far these days, and Gilbert's ability to win by any means makes up for his inexperience. Unfortunately after losing his second match, he fired his trainer Mitchell Duncan. He replaced him with a former champion, Timothy Valentine.

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[We cut to an office where Rob Gilbert's personal Lawyer, Mr. Louis Syffler is sitting. He's holding a piece of paper.] Syffler - "This is a memo from Rob Gilbert. He is unable to make this announcement himself as he has refused to do so on the air." [syffler takes a chug of bottled water.] Syffler - "It is my duty to inform you, the SWF fanbase, and you, Mr. Mitch Duncan, that Mr. Mitch Duncan's services as trainer and bodyguard to Mr. Robert B. Gilbert have been terminated." [syffler takes a drink.] Syffler - "It is due to the inadequate training of Mr. Duncan that I, Rob Gilbert, the greatest wrestler in the civilized world, lost a match to Sean Davis. Mister Duncan failed to adequately train me for my match with Sean Davis. He also failed to provide adequate protection during this match. His actions provided massive embarassment for myself, as numerous friends saw my defeat due to his shoddy teaching techniques" [syffler takes a drink.] Syffler - "It is regrettable that such a thing had to happen, but it is not my fault. Had Mr. Duncan been a better trainer, he would still have his job. I, Rob Gilbert, did not spend thousands of dollars to lose a match. I did not spend thousands of dollars to be mistrained by a man who probably doesn't know how to wrestle. It is due to his sloppiness that I was defeated tonight." [syffler takes a drink.] Syffler - "While it is heartbreaking to me and my family that I was the victim of negligence. We must move on. That is why I have hired a new trainer. His name is "The Terrific One" Timothy Valentine. Timothy was a champion in his time. His usage of technical skills and other tricks will be useful when applied and taught to me. He will also accompany me to the ring as a 'mentor'. It is unforunate that Mr. Duncan had to be fired, but it is obvious by his insubordination and his lackluster teaching that I would never accomplish glory with him around. But with The Terrific One, I am sure that I will recover from this unfortunate defeat. That is all." [syffler shakes his head.] Syffler - "Well, it's tough for me to have to read this memo. But then again, I didn't know Duncan and I don't care about him either. Anyways, cya chumps" [Fade to black]

I gotta say. Considering I was booked against someone who was 100lbs larger (a bit questionable), I did my best. --- We cut back to the announcer’s table. Comet says "Our opening match promises to be quite a contest" Riley replies "Well, unless you have a death wish for Robzilla. The Perfect Storm is 5 inches and 100 pounds heavier" Comet responds by mentioning that "Gilbert will have to deal with that a lot, he’s the smallest man on the roster" Riley shakes his head "It seems that cruiserweights like Rob Gilbert always get put with heavyweights" Comet smirks "If Rob Gilbert has a problem with facing athletes like Citizen Davis, he can go home" Riley laughs "It’s not that, it’s just that this is a David v. Goliath story. Well, not story, but vignette, something like that. Of course. But, we’ll see who takes home the winners share of the purse and who gets to eat applesauce and live with the pain of losing" "Well, we’ll see which citizen can prove themselves to be the victor in this epic struggle" Comet says with candor in his voice. The scene falls to a hush as Funyon stands in the center of the ring with his mic. "The following match is the opening match. It is scheduled for one fall" Flashes of white pyro begin to streak from ceiling to stage, imitating lightning. *BOOOOOOOOOOOOM* "ooooh…" "Headstrong" by Trapt kicks up and the arena goes dark as lines of flame burst alive and border the stage Funyon says "Introducing first.." Sean steps out with his lawyer Marcus Washington, followed by a blue spotlight. "Making his SWF debut, He is accompanied by Marcus Washington, and he hails from Jacksonville, Florida" Funyon says "Weighing in at 270 pounds, SEAN DAVIS!" Riley comments "Wow, impressive and blue" Comet responds "I bet a fire alarm’s going to go off sometime soon" Riley replies to that statement with a laugh "and you’ll lead us outside, Firebreaker Comet, won’t you?" Davis enters the ring, glaring towards a section of the crowd where someone yelled "Jailbird" as we return to regular lighting. "Serial Thrilla" by Prodigy starts to play and we see Rob Gilbert walking though the curtains followed by his bodyguard and trainer Mitch Duncan. Funyon stands in the center of the ring for the next introduction "And his opponent, accompanied by his bodyguard and trainer Mitch Duncan, hailing from the fighting city of Chappaqua, New York" Gilbert stops and walks down the stage to his left, emptying a bottle of water on the stage. Funyon continues his introduction "he weighs in at 165 pounds, ROB GILBERT!" Gilbert walks down the entrance ramp, ignoring the boos of the fans, Gilbert enters the ring and stands in his corner. Comet observes "Doesn’t it seem like Gilbert would be better suited to face Washington, and Davis would be better suited to face Duncan?" Riley laughs "You have too much time on your hands" Our referee Matthew Kivell delivers verbal warnings to both Washington and Duncan and he calls for the bell. Comet muses "Well, neither man is too popular here, and both seconds will want to help their men out" *DING DING DING DING* Gilbert paces around the ring, holding on to the ropes as Davis shakes his head. Gilbert then rolls out of the ring and begins to drink some more bottled water. Comet laughs "He needs water now? Who does he think he is, Aquaman?" Riley groans "I know he’s not you, because he doesn’t blow so badly" Gilbert walks around as the referee starts a count. Gilbert then rolls back into the ring and gets on his feet. He walks towards the center of the ring and offers a handshake to Davis, but he pulls back quickly to stroke his hair. Davis responds by elbowing Gilbert in the face, sending him down to the mat. Gilbert rolls back to a corner, holding onto the ropes as he gets back to his feet. Gilbert smirks and holds his left arm up for a test of strength. Comet says "I don’t think that’s going to work out very well for Citizen Gilbert" Davis shakes his head and charges in and Gilbert moves out of the way. Gilbert then kicks Davis repeatedly, landing kicks against his back and Davis turns around in the corner. Davis charges towards Gilbert with his left arm out for a clothesline, Gilbert ducks and attempts a reverse neck breaker, but Davis blocks that move and turns around. Davis hooks his arms around the thin waist of Gilbert and thrusts him up into the air, sending him down hard onto the mat with a release German Suplex. Davis picks Gilbert off of the mat and hooks him in a Full-Nelson, he lifts him up and slams him onto the mat. Comet declares "Gilbert may not be much of a match for Sean Davis" Riley replies "Maybe, we’ll see, won’t we? Either way, these fans lose, big time" Gilbert crawls towards the ropes and grabs onto them. Gilbert attempts to pull him off the ropes and is warned about doing that by the referee. Gilbert kicks Davis in the back of the knee while Davis is being warned. Gilbert then punches Davis twice in the kidneys, drawing a warning from the referee. Gilbert knee lifts Davis but Davis doesn’t move an inch. Gilbert then runs towards the ropes, hooking the top rope and slinging himself to the floor feet first. Comet groans "Gilbert’s trying to stall for time here" Riley laughs mockingly "Why not Comet? He can’t be the go-getter like you are. Haha" "1" The fans boo Gilbert as he walks around on the floor, drinking bottled water. Davis motions for Gilbert to get back into the ring. "2" Gilbert laughs and struts on the floor. Davis then steps though the ropes and starts to chase after Gilbert. Gilbert slides into the ring and runs to the opposite side of the ring, hooking a ring rope. Comet says with a sense of disgust "Gilbert doesn’t seem very confident that he can beat Davis here. Look how he keeps holding on to the ropes" Davis re-enters the ring. Riley laughs and says "You know, Robzilla knows the rules. Davis can’t do anything to him if he’s in the ropes. He’s not a coward, he’s smart" Gilbert charges towards Davis and goes for a high knee to the chest of the larger man. Davis grabs the leg and then clotheslines Gilbert hard onto the mat. Gilbert staggers back onto his feet. Gilbert then attempts his fabled "Discus Elbow" spinning elbow to the head, but Davis doesn’t move an inch for that either. Gilbert kicks Davis in the midsection and then kicks him hard in the groin. The referee admonishes Gilbert as he apologizes to the referee and to Davis. Riley smirks and says "See, he’s not a coward, he accidentally kicked Davis in the groin there and he’s sorry" Comet groans and replies "You fool, my sincerity detector isn’t picking up a thing, he’s lying" Riley laughs "Well, I guess he’ll be wearing a cup from now on" Gilbert picks up Davis and pats him on the back, shaking his head with faked regret. Gilbert then kicks Davis in the midsection and attempts to pick him up for a suplex. Gilbert struggles hard in this task, and then he drops Davis on the ropes, suplexing him back onto the mat. Gilbert is too winded from the task of lifting the mighty Davis off of his feet and suplexing him to utilize his execution of the Slingshot Suplex. Gilbert catches his breath and kicks Davis in the midsection. Gilbert then scrapes his boot over Davis’ face, and the referee cautions him again. Gilbert responds with a smile, lifting his boot and wiping it off with his hand. The fans boo Gilbert as he lifts Davis up to his feet, applying a side headlock to his opponent. Gilbert smiles again and starts to rub his fist over Davis’ head before slapping him on the top of the head. Davis responds to this insult by lifting Gilbert up high in the air and dropping him with a backdrop suplex. Gilbert flops onto his stomach, holding his head and begging for mercy from Davis. Comet laughs "He’d be better off just writing him a check here" Riley replies with mock laughter We hear grumbling from the other half of our announcing crew as Davis pulls Gilbert up by his hair and throws him into the ropes, Davis comes back, toppling the so-called Robzilla with a Shoulder block. Gilbert stumbles, holding his neck and complaining to the referee about the hair pulling. This inspires Comet respond with "He has no room to talk about the rules here, he breaks them regularly!" Davis kicks Gilbert in the midsection and lifts him up in the air in a military press slam. Davis then proceeds to press Gilbert up in the air. "One!" "Two!" "Three!" "Four!" "Five!" "This is impressive" says Comet "Six!" "You jackass!" Riley yells "Seven!" "I could press that a lot too" Riley snorts "Eight!" Davis then slams Gilbert hard onto the mat. Davis then drops an elbow across the chest of Rob Gilbert. Riley laughs "I don’t mind Davis, but he’s not earning World’s Strongest Man with that" Davis then lifts up Gilbert in another Military Press, lifting him up again. "Nine!" "One!" Riley yells, "He started over, you idiots!" Davis then drops Gilbert face first onto the turnbuckle. Gilbert grabs his face in pain with one hand and holds onto the ropes. Davis lifts Gilbert up to his feet and chops him across the chest. Davis rips Gilbert’s collared shirt open and chops him hard again. Davis grabs Gilbert by the shirt and throws him into the ropes, and then Davis executes a brutal spine buster. Gilbert is gasping for wind on the mat as Davis covers. "ONE!" "TWO!" Gilbert drops his foot on the rope and the Referee stops his count. Davis lifts Gilbert up onto his feet again as the crowd begins to stir. We see that Mitch Duncan is now standing next to Marcus Washington and they’re in an argument. Davis yells at Duncan and Duncan attempts to pull Washington’s glasses off. Davis steps towards the ropes and points at Duncan yelling. The referee then steps in-between Davis and Duncan and we pick up what he’s saying. "Duncan, stop causing a scene or I’ll have to expel you from ringside" As this is being said, Rob Gilbert pulls a small chain out of his tights and wraps it around his fist. Duncan argues with the referee and Gilbert nails Davis in the face with the chained fist of fury. Comet groans "Citizen Gilbert would rather cheat then wrestle fairly here!" Riley replies "Citizen Gilbert would rather win and get a good check than lose here, you blubbering fool" Davis falls to his knees as Gilbert deposits the chain in his tights. Meanwhile at ringside, Duncan hands Washington his glasses back and the referee walks away from the scene. Gilbert picks Davis up and executes the DDT on the dazed man. Gilbert then goes for a cover, hooking a leg "One!" "Two!" Davis kicks out. Gilbert punches him around the back of the head and hits a reverse neck breaker on him. Gilbert shakes his head and holds it for a moment before dropping his medium-sized elbow across the chest of Sean Davis. Gilbert shakes his head again and drops another elbow across the chest of Sean Davis. Davis rolls onto his stomach and gets on his feet. Gilbert hits Davis in the throat and snap mares him into a sitting position. Gilbert then locks a sleeper hold on Davis. Riley laughs "It might be early in the night, but it might be bedtime for the Handsome Hurricane" Davis slumps down for a bit but he elbows Gilbert in his side, breaking the hold. Gilbert unleashes another cheap shot on Davis as he gets to his feet. "This match has been nothing but cheap shots from Rob Gilbert" Comet protests "And stupid comments from you" Riley replies Gilbert steps to the side of Sean Davis and drops the larger man down with a Russian Leg sweep. Gilbert struts to a corner and steps onto the second turnbuckle. He leaps off with his elbow cocked and ready, but Davis rolls out of the way before contact could be made. Gilbert alertly lands on his feet and laughs. Gilbert then holds his left arm up in the air for one moment before motioning to Davis to "come get him". Davis charges in and Gilbert applies the dreaded Iron Claw to the top of Davis’ forehead Comet declares "The old masters of the claw hold must be rolling in their graves at this sight!" Davis elbows Gilbert on the top of his head, sending him stumbling backwards and breaking the dreaded claw hold. Gilbert shakes his head and moves forward, but Davis grabs him by the throat and quickly choke slams him to the mat. Davis goes for a cover. One! Two! Thre — Gilbert kicks out! Gilbert rolls over onto his stomach to catch his breath after using all his energy to kick out of that move. Davis grabs Gilbert from behind, hooking his hands around Gilbert’s thin waist, and executing another brutal release German Suplex. Gilbert flops onto his stomach again, with a hand on his head. Riley laughs "That’s the way to do it! I’ve always liked Davis, you know!" Gilbert gets up onto his feet, staggering wildly and holding his head. Davis then moves his head back and head butts Gilbert, sending him stumbling back into the corner, grabbing his head in pain. "Obviously, Citizen Gilbert’s head and neck are in pain!" Comet observes *BOOM* Davis steps forward and unleashes a big hook across the face of Gilbert, which almost launches him through the ropes. Gilbert lays on the ropes stomach-first and Davis pulls him out. *WHAAAACK* Davis hits Gilbert with the big back fist and Gilbert is knocked on his back. But his feet are under the bottom rope and Mitch Duncan starts to pull him out of the ring. Then Marcus Washington walks up to him and starts to protest to the referee. Davis then begins to pull on Gilbert, involving himself in a tug-of-war with Mitch Duncan, with Rob Gilbert as the rope. The referee then begins to count. ONE! TWO! "If Duncan doesn’t let go, Gilbert might be disqualified!" Comet declares THREE! FOUR! Duncan lets go of Gilbert and Davis drags his body into the center of the ring. The referee is ordering Duncan and Washington to opposite corners as Davis picks Gilbert up by the waist. Gilbert then hits Davis in the groin again, causing him to slump down a bit. Gilbert whips Davis into the corner and catches his breath again. Gilbert then walks in and punches Davis with little success. Gilbert pulls Davis out of the corner and gets on the top turnbuckle. Gilbert applies a front face lock on Davis with one hand while punching Davis around the armpit with his other hand. Gilbert then swings around and drops Gilbert with the Tornado DDT. "Gilbert is down and he’s getting back to his feet slowly" Comet observes. And indeed, Gilbert is holding his head and he goes to the top turnbuckle. Gilbert flies from the top turnbuckle and hits a frog splash on Sean Davis. Comet says "You know, Gilbert should have just covered him there" Riley replies "Mr. Know-it-all.. bleeh" Gilbert hooks a leg and we have a cover. ONE! TWO! THR — KICKOUT BY DAVIS! Davis rolls onto his feet and Gilbert shakes his head in frustration. Gilbert then pulls his collared shirt off. Riley says "Ooooooh, he means business now Comet. And look at his uniquely chiseled body" "Was that chiseled with a butter knife?" Comet says with a laugh Gilbert lifts up Davis and locks him in position for Straight out of Chappaqua, his reverse Russian leg sweep of choice. "This might be the big move Comet!" Riley says with enthusiasm. But Davis counters it by dropping his left arm down and front face-locking Gilbert. Davis then lifts Gilbert up, holding him in the air, and drops him with a nasty Brain buster DDT. Gilbert holds his head in pain and Davis picks him up off of the canvas. Davis then lifts Gilbert onto his back like he was nothing and drops him hard onto his back with a Death Valley Driver. Davis then goes for a cover near the ropes. ONE! TWO! THR – "ROBZILLA HAS HIS FOOT ON THE ROPES!" Riley observes, loudly The referee notices the same thing and stops the count before his hand made contract with the canvas for three. Davis shakes his head and has a comment or two for the referee. "If the referees weren’t so lewd, we’d hook a microphone on them" Riley laughs "Oh come on, that’s not true" Comet says, with a groan. Davis lifts Gilbert up off of the canvas, Gilbert flings an elbow towards Davis, but Davis grabs his elbow and locks a reverse armbar on Gilbert. Gilbert holds his head in pain with his other arm for a moment before reaching out and grabbing the rope, forcing the break of the hold, or so you’d think. "ONE!" "TWO!" "I’m finding reason to like both men here" Riley observes "THREE!" "FOUR!" Sean Davis breaks the armbar and glares at the referee. Meanwhile, Gilbert holds his arm with a look of pain on his face. He complains to the referee as well. Davis grabs Gilbert to whip him towards the ropes. But in a reversal of fortune and a reversal, Gilbert counters and whips Davis towards the ropes, and in the process, Davis takes out Kivell. "I bet that was accidental too!" Comet says skeptically "Damn, did Rob Gilbert walk under a ladder? A lot of accidents are occurring around him" Riley says, chuckling Davis gets back to his feet and locks up with Gilbert, going behind him and locking him in a full nelson. Davis then lifts Gilbert up and drops him with a full nelson atomic drop. Gilbert slumps down onto all fours holding his neck. Davis picks up Gilbert and pulls him up for a piledriver. Davis then drops him hard on the mat with the piledriver. But unfortunately for Sean Davis and his hopes of winning, the referee is unable to get to his feet. Davis shakes his head and picks up Gilbert. "Davis lifts him up by the waist and it looks like time for the Maelstrom!" Comet says Riley replies "This’ll be it for Rob Gilbert" But Mitch Duncan has shoved Marcus Washington into the ring rope and jumped onto the ring apron. Duncan then pulls Gilbert down feet-first onto the ring apron. "This singles match has turned into a 2 on 1 affair and this is appalling!" Comet snorts with indignation Davis clotheslines Duncan off of the apron, sending the big man crashing to the floor. Unknown to Sean Davis, Gilbert has pulled a pair of brass knuckles out of his tights and he’s put them on his left fist, Gilbert charges forward and nails Davis in the head with the knux. Comet yells with outrage "Come on! This is blatant cheating by Rob Gilbert!" Davis slumps over the top rope and Gilbert hits him with a hotshot. Davis falls onto the canvas holding his throat as Gilbert re-enters the ring. Marcus Washington jumps onto the ring apron and gets hit in the face by the knux. Gilbert then drops his knux-wearing fist on the face of Davis. Gilbert then puts the knux away and picks up Davis. The referee is coming back to his senses and Gilbert schoolboys Davis to the loud boos of the crowd ONE! BOOOOOOOOOOO! "He has a handful of tights!" Comet yells with more outrage TWO! "No, he doesn’t, you fool!" Riley replies THREE! *DING DING DING* The fans boo loudly. "YOUR WINNER OF THIS MATCH… ROB GILBERT!" Gilbert gets to his feet and starts to jog towards the back, holding his head in pain and leaving his bodyguard behind. "Rob Gilbert is getting the hell out of here and he had to cheat blatantly to even stand a chance here with Sean Davis, this is just disgusting" Comet grumbles "It’s a David beats Goliath story! But, Sean Davis will be back, even if he was beaten fairly" Riley laughs after saying that. "Fairly? He had a handful of tights!" Comet yells "No he didn’t! But, on an unrelated, I did see more of Sean Davis than I expected here" Riley observes Comet quips "Such as his exposed backside?" "No, his talent and strength, he’s a good kid, but he was beat fairly" Riley replies Comet grumbles "Let’s move on"

50% of the voting population? 50% of the voting population doesn't even vote in most elections. That's a tough standard. isn't the riding system criticized for allowing the Liberal Party to dominate Ontario and win? It's not about the actual purpose, but the "If you're not doing anything wrong, there's nothing to fear" I'd imagine the controversy would be almost nil if they had asked for just "observers" instead of "UN observers" Considering it'd be neccessary for a recount. After the 2000 election, the rush for Touchscreens and all that is just hasty at best. Piece of paper. Ballot box. http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/8910769.htm - on concerns about touch screen http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../2/104657.shtml - more on that http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?p...06-21-04&cat=PP - "Quarter of voters will use unreliable machines" My idea is to use 'popular-vote proportionality' for picking electors. There'd still be an electoral college, but the "winner take all" system would be scrapped. It's a bit hard to explain, but it did produce the results of 267-264-6-1 (Gore/Bush/Nader/other). Although this mean that the third party candidates get a shot at votes in big states. Nader got votes from California (2), Massachusetts, New York, Ohio and Texas. There might be a bit more to explain That's a bit surprising. *shrug* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana It appears to be more of the "uncompetitive Republic", which is the same as many nations, such as Russia. When it comes to elections, the US is still one of the most competitive in the world. And for all the calls about third parties, I don't think a single European country has three major parties.

That statement applied for this November. It's probably a bit much to worry about a voting system with no paper trail I'll file that under "Ethics, Richard Nixon and". Also, had Illinois went for Nixon, there wouldn't have been any significant change in the results. Just a 276-244 victory for Kennedy. Then again, the same thing is said about Ashcroft as well. (If you ignore that Ashcroft probably expected a Bush victory and a cabinet post and if you ignore that Talent was closer to beating Holden than Ashcroft was to Carnahan) 20,000 votes would have to change in 3 different states. That's quite a stretch. I guess doing what's 'right' in your POV would be beaten by 'doing what's popular'. The hearings would have all sorts of fun. Such as looking into New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa and Florida. *whistles* I've heard different from the right. I've heard that ballots were uncounted (as part of why Bush won the popular vote). I've heard that homeless people were bribed into voting in Wisconsin. Nice to hear that those rumors are unfounded. Also, I'd assume there'd be more concern with touchscreen voting and all that from the Republicans. That'll be another day, I guess. (edit: with links~!)

So, I'd guess you don't have much concern about touchscreen voting, or procedure in general. As for 1960, I don't think the depth of what happened was really known or reported by anybody. (Not to mention the Republicans were messing around in Southern Illinois.) And another thing about 1960 is that it would have taken alot to give Nixon a victory. As one site describes it. "Scenario - a change of 20,467 votes (0.03% of national total) from Kennedy to Nixon in three states results in a victory for Nixon. Missouri - 4,991 votes (0.26%); Illinois 4,430 votes (0.09%); New Jersey - 11,046 votes (0.40%)." Ha. A Republican House and Senate wouldn't have started investigations and all sorts of hearings into the election. Well, that would be selfless and all.

there might be a bit more you can add for the "fuck up" part. Anyways, there's always the US Patriot Act approach to this.. what do you have to hide by not having some observers? In fact, i'm sure that the process here can be inspirational. More than likely, observers (independent or otherwise) won't very welcome. But, they should be around. Heck Mike, they might uncover some Democrat vote fraud. ;)

Here ya go. This team will be made up of Hilton (Van Hammer) and Holmes (Test). They'll dress in trenchcoats and gold masks. They'll wear blonde wigs over the masks (when out of the ring). Their wrestling attire is gold pants. Tag Team finisher: Hilton holds the opponent across his knee, Holmes comes off of the top rope and drops an elbow on that opponent. The reason for wearing masks, if they need one, would be to "protect marriages" since if they were unmasked, married women would leave their husbands to try and get with the Bombers. And they'll have some sort of mouthpiece, manager, or whatever. Any comments? Any "alternate blondes" for this gimmick?

Mordecai should use that giant staff in a match.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...illage_people_2 Good job Colin. *points down to sig*

hasn't Sudan been ignored for decades now?

Next week.. Fairplay v. William Hung

*nods* As I noticed from the results (which were actually 67/31 Bush if you round up) 20,000 votes. That's something I'm doubting. First off, the people in line wouldn't be watching TV at the same time. So unless they were called, they wouldn't know. Second, the majority of that "20,000" would have been people who were going to vote at 7:50 CST, but decided not to go vote. Someone else can answer this, but do the other "two timezone" states have two closing times for their elections? It was probably a bit of a goof that the networks forgot about the panhandle, but it wasn't that costly. If I recall the theory, it involves John Annis (his cousin) at Fox News. Which is why four major networks and the VNS didn't just have him ahead at one time, but they called the state for him It might be mentioned with the word "deceit". Another dumb quote from Moore. Yeah Saddam did have (intentions of acquiring) WMDs (or banned missile systems). Yep.

I'll go though some of these, without the benefit of going to see the movie or "pirating" it (yes, I know Michael Moore approves, but it's probably still a form of piracy ) This is pretty much an unproveable claim. I'm tempted to just come right out and say 'horseshit' to the bolded part. But, i'll be fair. I've consulted both uselectionatlas.org for results and Streets and Maps (to find out which counties are in the panhandle) Now, I'm not including Gulf County, since it's in both timezones. The CST results for Florida - 66 to 31 for Bush 234 thousand votes for Bush 109 thousand votes for Gore 352 thousand votes total Now, I'll reprint the claim made. With 10 minutes left, thousands of people were either still waiting to vote in Florida or just about to go to vote. That's a bit implausible. It's not thousands. I'd imagine this isn't the main source for times, but here's a link: http://mikehammer.tripod.com/tables.htm That doesn't even list the time Fox News retracted. And i'd imagine Fox News calling it for Bush first is the main point there. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1002/koch092602.asp #1 - that was an opinion piece, not a report #2 - Koch acknowledges that it's not a direct quote, this author doesn't do the same service and as I recall, the North Koreans screwed the Iraqis hard on that deal. Took their money and ran. And that's all you want to mention about his role? Don't want to spoil it, do ya? This is assuming that saying one side will win is "supporting them". I'm sure the New York Yankees would beat alot of teams, but that doesn't mean i'm supporting them. But then again, the quote is pretty stupid too.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT...4&fips=37&pty=1 Oh really?

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT...2004/mock04.php there's painless registration required to vote. But the results so far Libertarians (Bednarik) - 40.3% Kerry - 35.4% Bush - 20.1% Others - 4.2% 358 electoral votes for Bednarik 144 for Kerry 7 (Hawaii and Vermont) for Bush So, feel free to either make this more bizarre, or correct it. And yes, it's that Marilyn Chambers

So, he ate his bodydoubles. Interesting.

Did we ever find any of Saddam's body doubles?

So, to close this out.. let's do "The Quotable Marney", here's one that I found: ON ABU GHRAIB: "Humiliating evil people isn't barbaric. We've done it before and we'll do it again. The soldiers who set up and took those photographs deserve decorations, not court-martials. And the next time we do this, let's televise it live."

http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04...hive.asp#034918

"What chu gonna do?" http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...m_supporters_dc http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=33312 I'd say the situation might be a bit polarized over there. But, they'll nail him on at least one of the following charges. And here's some of the "quoteable" Saddam: ON WHETHER HE CAN AFFORD A LAWYER: ''According to the Americans, I have millions of dollars in Geneva, so I should be able to afford one.'' ON THE OCCUPATION OF KUWAIT: ''How could Saddam be tried over a Kuwait that said it will reduce Iraqi women to 10-dinar prostitutes? He defended Iraq's honor and revived its historical rights over those dogs.'' One more thing I noticed: Saddam left "al-Tikriti" off of his name. But, it'll be the trial of the century for Iraq, definately

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...19082_2004jun30 Bush is subtlely trying to raise taxes by making churches lose their tax-exempt status. [nah] Still.. this is around the ledge when it comes to legality.