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I find it very weird that you guys have time slots for it. Anyways, for the Okotokian kids, it is Sunday night. Most kids start around 5:00 or so and the teenager losers who don't even dress up and thus don't get candy from me because they are such douches stop straggling in at around 9:30.

That ball is nothing. You need to play hockey and see some goddamned sock tape balls.

A box. A big, brown box.

Looking at some early 2004 WWE cards, I have compiled a list of the matches that many people here at TSM considered ****+ at the time: -2004 Royal Rumble -Eddie Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar (No Way Out) -Jamie Noble vs Paul London (Velocity) -Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (WrestleMania) -Triple H vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals (WrestleMania) -Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Misterio (Smackdown gauntlet final) -Triple H vs Shelton Benjamin (Raw - the first upset) -Mick Foley vs Randy Orton (Backlash) -Triple H vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals (Backlash) -Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals (Raw: Showdown in the Desert) So I'm wondering, is there anybody who still considers these to be classic or really good matches? Aside from Guerrero/Lesnar, London/Noble, and Guerrero/Misterio, all of which I really liked (***1/4-***1/2 each), I don't think any of the above matches were all that good. Now that we have some distance from them and can be a little more objective, do we like these matches more? Less? The same? Were there any better, forgotten matches from early 2004?

They need to make a SoCal wrestling pill so those of us who don't live in SoCal can get our SoCal wrestling fix. Did I say SoCal enough? Anyways, I can't wait to get in that iron man match. I loved the Super Dragon/Joey Ryan Guerilla Warfare match and this sounds even better. I'm also a Kazarian mark, so Kazarian/Reyes should be something I like too. I'm surprised that the Chikara match wasn't that great, because from what I've seen of these guys, they are really good.

Homer Goes To College, Homer At The Bat, or the one with the 25 greyhounds.

Might as well add my match by match thoughts, seeing as I started the thread. -2004 Royal Rumble Benoit doesn't get enough attention in this, and while that may sound like fanboy-crying, it isn't. The story of the match is Benoit lasting #1 to the end and overcoming the monster (Big Show), but for most of the match Benoit is in the far background. Add to that my hatred of Foley and lame moments like The Cat as well as the overall limitations of the match, this is barely a solid match. -Eddie Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar (No Way Out) Probably the best of the "big name" matches from early 04. Both are really on their game. I don't like the interference at the end, but they felt it was needed. That and the ref bump drag this down a bit, but the rest of the match is really really good. ***1/2 or so. -Jamie Noble vs Paul London (Velocity) These guys just tear it up here. Both are at their crispest and this is easily Noble's best match in ages. The ending sequence is incredible. ***1/4 -Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (WrestleMania) The better of the world title matches from WMXX. I really like the first half of this, as they build for what should be a good conclusion...but then they hit typical finisher-city. The boot ending is smart but comes off flat. **3/4 or so. -Triple H vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals (WrestleMania) I still don't like this match. Triple threats are inherently screwed because the formula they almost have to go with makes the match seem dumb right from the start. Add to this that we have a ton of spots that I just hate (double table suplex, HHH stops HBK from tapping, and so forth). HHH and HBK are really sloppy for most of this match (fatigue my ass, they are sloppy from the start) and the blade jobs by both are dumb. **1/2 generously. -Eddie Guerrero vs Rey Misterio (Smackdown gauntlet final) I've only seen this twice, but I remember really liking the arm-work and how it played into the finish. I'm going to re-watch it soon. -Triple H vs Shelton Benjamin (Raw - the first upset) Again, only seen twice, but this one I didn't really like. -Mick Foley vs Randy Orton (Backlash) I hate this match. I watched it on PPV and hated it, saw all the praise, still hated it, and re-watched it recently and hate it more. A ton of disjointed weak bumps that take forever to set up between mindless brawling and horrible selling. Woop-dee-doo. -Triple H vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals (Backlash) Seen twice, didn't mind it. Don't remember much, though. -Chris Benoit vs Shawn Micheals (Raw: Showdown in the Desert) Only saw once, but I remember not liking it because of HBK doing his usual no-selling crap. Not going out of my way to see it again. Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero (2/3 Falls and SummerSlam) Didn't really like the SummerSlam match, but the 2/3 falls was fun. Hated the finish, though. Chris Benoit vs Randy Orton (Raw and SS) Only saw each once and wasn't paying much attention, so no thoughts on them. Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio (SD) Don't remember. Paul London vs Billy Kidman (NM) Good stuff, but Kidman really isn't that good and London isn't quite good enough to do a great carry job. Kidman's SSP looks terrible next to London's. Maybe **1/2. Paul London vs Nunzio (Velocity earlier this year) Don't remember.

Fuck, I love RevPro. Battle of the Pimps sounds great. Whole card sounds great. Bosh/Disco Machine? Fuck yes. Ronin/Hook Bomberry? Fuck yes. Sanchos/AXP? Fuck yes. It makes me sad that I'm never going to get to see RevPro live. No way I'll be able to road trip my way down there for either of the remaining shows.

God, I can't stand Q-107. "The story is in the music". Blegh. * > Peak > Power > Q

Calgary: FAN 960 for sports talk (local and ESPN radio) CJAY 92 for "rock". It's mainstream but decent.

Right...and how much Super Dragon have you seen?

Canadian prices. Famous Players: $10.50 Local crappy theatre: $7.00

ROH did have TV, for the record. And it sucked mighty ass. Meltzer has said that ROH has lost over 500 grand since 2002. And don't confuse me for being an ROH hater/TNA lover. I dislike them both.

Awesome preview, PsychoDriver. I say this every time I post in a SoCal thread, but I hate you SoCal bastards for getting this. Looks like it could be PWG's best show ever, out of the four announced matches I can't think of one that won't rock.

Say WHAAAAT? Can't wait to see this.

Good episode. Not fan-fucking-tastic like last weeks, but still really fun. Spoilers within! 1. Jack finds the waterfall. It's another miracle! Holy crap. 2. Anyone else hear Jack's last name? SHEPHERD~! (Or Shepper? I hope Sheopard). 3. Locke is so the man. His motivation speech to Jack in the jungle was great. 4. Sawyer = awesome. Giving Kate the "sherriff" badge = awesome. Hoarding cigarettes = awesome. Sawyer = AWESOME. 5. Locke DID SEE THE MONSTER. HOLY SHIT. "Beautiful"?????!?!?~!? Not enough Sayid, though. You can never get enough Sayid.

Hell no, I have all 6 of Buffy and all 4 of Angel. All displayed on my shelf beside my Firefly set.

I really don't get any Snitsky love. He sucks in the ring, he can't do an interview, he is involved in one of the worst angles ever, and he is the same generic hoss as all the other OVW call-ups. I don't see how anyone can like him.

Just because a huge event is on doesn't mean it is OK to put on a crap show and blame it on the other event airing. If all these people are so enthralled by Yankees/Sox, then it is up to the WWE to put on a better show and get those people enthralled in them and not baseball. A low rating is a low rating - "something better is on" is not a good excuse.

www.REVOLUTIONPRO.COM Revolution Pro is proud to present the 4th and final installment of the Revolution J series… Pinnacle. The Rev J has been the stable tournament of Rev Pro for the past 4 years, which showcases 16 of the top junior heavyweights across the nation. This year’s version will feature 8 of the top Northern California talent and 8 of the top Southern California talent, along with a special attraction steel cage match for the Rev Pro Tag Team titles. The past three J’s has provided some of the best action and excitement in the 5-year history of Rev Pro. On September 28th, 2001, the very 1st ever Rev J tournament, “Destiny”, happened from the Anaheim Marketplace in Anaheim, where Super Dragon won the inaugural tournament over B-Boy in the finals to not only become the first ever Rev J winner, but to become the very first Junior heavyweight champion. The tournament included such talent as Nosawa & Tomokazu Morita (Japan), Ricky Reyes, Pinoy Boy & Spanky (SoCal), and such Rev Pro names such as Disco Machine, Excalibur, Shogun, Rising Son, AWC, TARO, and Mr. Excitement. The second installment, “Alive”, happened exactly one year later on September 28th, 2002 from the home base of Frank & Sons in the City of Industry, where Mr. Excitement won it over the reigning J champion Super Dragon in the finals in a thrilling final match. The tournament included talent such as Acero Dorado & Xtasis (Mexico), Mike Quackenbush (Chikara), Joey Ryan, Scott Lost, B-Boy & Lil Cholo, and Rev Pro names like TARO, Rising Son, El Gallinero Tres, Excalibur, Street Styles, Disco Machine, Topgun Talwar, and Rising Son. The third installment, “Freedom”, took place on September 20th, 2003 again at Frank & Sons in the City of Industry, where Rising Son shocked everyone and got into the tournament via a loophole and defeated Super Dragon in the finals. The tournament also included talent like Chilango & Principe Unlimited (Mexico), Vito & Sal Thomaselli (NorCal), The Ballards (SoCal), and Rev Pro talent such as Scorpio Sky, Quicksilver, Chris Bosh, Joey Ryan, Phoenix Star, Zokre, Mr. Excitement, and Angel. To celebrate the fourth and final Rev J, and to honor the past three years, we will be naming the rounds after the respected four Rev J sub-titles. The first round will be called “Destiny - First Round”, the quarterfinals named “Alive - Quarterfinals”, the semi-finals named “Freedom - Semifinals”, and the final round simple called “Pinnacle - Finals”. Destiny First Round: Jason Styles (BTW) VS. Wild Storm (BTW) - These two men are no strangers to each other as they have been feuding over the BTW championship in recent months. Wild Storm is the current BTW World champion and recently won the hair of Jason Styles last month. Now their feud has carried over into Southern California and into the Rev J this year. Jason Styles is one of the most charismatic competitors in Big Time Wrestling and a fixture in the main event scene there. He mixes a blend of European technical holds, with Lucha Libre speed, and American mat wrestling. Wild Storm is arguably the most popular star in BTW. This high flyer delivers an array of spectacular aerial maneuvers, with his trademark Swanton Bomb. Scorpio Sky (Rev Pro) VS. Scott Lost (Rev Pro) - The current Revolution Pro Junior Heavyweight champion will go head to head against the always clever and dangerous Scott Lost. These two are fresh off their recent tour of Osaka Pro in Japan, where they faced off for the majority of the tour. They are very familiar with each other from the tour and look for what started in Japan to carry over and be settled, man-to-man, at the Revolution J. These two haven’t faced off one on one in Southern California in over a year, where Scorpio Sky defeated Scott Lost to win what is now the AWS LA Light Heavyweight title. With the familiarity and bragging rights on the line, look for this one to possibly steal the show. Super Dragon (Rev Pro) VS. Dante (SPW) - This one can be simply put…. Southern California’s Best vs. Northern California’s Best, for the first time in Socal! Socal fans are very familiar with Super Dragon’s smash mouth style. The former 2 time Jr. Heavyweight champion, MLLH champion, and inaugural Rev J champion goes into this tournament as the heavy favorite, making it to all the Rev J finals for the past 3 years. Rev Pro/Rev X fans have seen Dante before in the past against such guys as Scorpio Sky, Quicksilver, Adam Thornstowe, and Legend. However, this will be the first time seen in singles action. He brings his hard hitting style, death defying aerial moves to the table. He also has the ability to take it xtremecore if needed, as seen before in Supreme Pro Wrestling. Who’s the best in Cali? We will find out. UK Kid (Rev Pro) VS. Disco Machine (Rev Pro) - In what should be another great first round match, Texas Wrestling Academy’s UK Kid will go against the evil, crafty, and dangerous veteran Disco Machine. This actually will be a rematch from their first encounter in June of 2003 where UK Kid defeated Disco Machine in a hard fought battle. UK Kid has recently returned to Southern California and is looking to make a name for himself via winning the Rev J tournament. Disco Machine is a veteran to the tournament, defeating Spanky in the first round of 2001. However, he hasn’t been able to get past the quarterfinal round in Rev J history. This one should be an even pairing, as it’s anyone’s game in this one. Rockero Del Diablo (CALIFIA) VS. Hijo De Chupacabra (CALIFIA) - Revolution Pro prides itself in it’s Lucha Libre roots. In the past Rev J’s, we have seen such luchadors as La Parka, Misterioso, Xtasis, Acero Dorado, Piloto Suicida, Chilango, Principe Unlimited, and Super Boy. Keeping with it’s lucha libre theme, from CALIFIA in Northern California comes Rockero Del Diablo and Hijo De Chupacabra. Both men are some of the best lucha libre wrestlers in Northern California and are sure to represent well for the lucha fans. Hook Bomberry (PWI) VS. Chris Bosh (Rev Pro) - Two of the youngest, fastest rising stars in both NorCal and Socal will do battle in the Destiny Round of the Rev J tournament. Hook Bomberry, from Pro Wrestling Iron, will be making his return to Rev Pro. He hasn’t been in a Rev Pro ring since 2003 where he battled Mr. Excitement and Angel. Recently recovered from a knee injury, Hook will be coming back on a mission to prove himself to the Socal crowd. The reigning Mexican Lucha Libre Heavyweight champion Chris Bosh’s arrogance is at an all time high, with every right to be. With victories over Super Dragon and Human Tornado at recent shows, Bosh has proven himself to everyone that he is a major force in Rev Pro and a heavy favorite in this tournament. This one has all the makings to steal the show as well. Quicksilver (Rev Pro) VS. Human Tornado (Rev Pro) - In a first time ever singles bout, the Spirit of the Revolution champion Quicksilver will go against the most popular superstar in Rev Pro, The Human Tornado. Quicksilver has been on the biggest roll of his career since returning in June from a neck injury, winning the round robin tournament bracket in June and then defeating Phoenix Star in a best 2 out of 3 falls match. Now, he will be paired up against Rudos Dojo’s fastest rising star, the ever-popular Human Tornado. With Tornado, you know he will do anything to advance to the next round, even sacrifying his own body in some cases. This might sound like a broken record but this one should just as well steal the show. Dana Lee (APW) VS. JJ Perez (APW) - Two of All Pro Wrestling’s youngest stars from Northern California will be showcased in this year’s Rev J tournament. Dana Lee has seen previous Rev Pro and Rev X action before, against Los Sanchos and Rush Hour 2. Dana Lee brings a mixture of martial arts along with aerial maneuvers. JJ Perez will be making his Revolution Pro debut at the J. He has been making a lot of waves lately in Northern California. A staple in APW’s Jr. Heavyweight division, the former APW Internet champion recently returned from a tour of his own in Japan. Special Attraction Match: Cage Match for the Rev Pro Tag Team Titles “Los Sanchos” – AWC & Angel VS. “Los Cochinos” – R2K & Big E. Biggz - Revolution J prides itself on featuring a special attraction match each year. “Destiny” saw the ARISON girls of Japan collide. “Alive” saw La Parka & Piloto Suicida against Hardkore Kidd & Misterioso. “Freedom” saw lucha libre legend Konnan & XPW superstar Kaos against Damian 666 & Babi Slymm. This year, Rev J’s special attraction match will feature Rev Pro’s own in a steel cage match for the Rev Pro tag team titles as Los Sanchos of American Wild Child and Angel settle their feud with the Los Cochinos of R2K & Big E. Biggz. After their last steel cage match in September, R2K proved himself to the team as he sacrificed his body to try to help them retain the titles via falling from the top of the cage to the floor. With that, Charles Mercury willingly came R2K his spot in this match. The Sanchos/Cochinos have shed plenty of blood in the past, now it’s time to see if the veterans or the rookies will prevail in this final showdown in the confines of the steel cage. Revolution J “Pinnacle” takes place October 16th at Frank and Sons in the City of Industry at a 1:30 belltime. Tickets are currently still on sale at the Alternative Wrestling Shop in Frank And Sons for 5 dollars off. Tickets: Adults - $15 Kids - $10 Location: Frank & Sons Collectible Show 19649 San Jose Ave. City of Industry, CA Revolution Pro would again like to thank ALL the fans that have attended the past 3 Rev J’s and hope to see everyone come out for the final one.

Excellent review PsychoDriver. While this may not be the best looking show ever, I am looking forward to getting the tape. I hate you SoCal guys for getting good wrestling.

A guy on the EWBattleground forums also got this call. Here is the thread http://www.ewbattleground.com/forum/index....topic=11126&hl=

Avril Lavigne is more important to Canada than the guy who INVENTED TIME ZONES. WHAT THE FUCK.

"We meant to call tails, dammit! Recount!"

Taken from the SoCalUncensored boards: Rev Pro - 16 October 04 - Quick Results First Round Scorpio Sky defeated Scott Lost Jason Styles defeated Wild Storm Super Dragon defeated Dante UK Kid defeated Disco Machine Chris Bosh defeated Hook Bomberry Joey Harder defeated Hijo de Chupacabra Quicksilver defeated Human Tornado JJ Perez defeated Dana Lee Semifinals Scorpio Sky defeated Jason Styles Super Dragon defeated UK Kid Joey Harder defeated Chris Bosh via forfeit (Bosh was too hurt too go on from his injuries at PWG last week, although Bosh wanted to be part of at least the first round of the Rev J). Quicksilver defeated JJ Perez Steel Cage Match for the Revolution Pro Tag Team Championships Los Sanchos (American Wild Child & Angel) defeated Bigg E. Biggz & Lonestar Finals Scorpio Sky defeated Quicksilver, Super Dragon and Joey Harder to win the Revolution J tournament. Order of elimination: Super Dragon eliminated Joey Harder Scorpio Sky eliminated Super Dragon Scorpio Sky eliminated Quicksilver Apparently there were no stand out MOTYC, but everything was solid and up. Looks like a good tournament. http://www.socaluncensored.com/board/showthread.php3?t=7151 - The SCU thread on the show http://www.socaluncensored.com/article629.html - A review of the show