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He lost as clean as possible to Brock in HitC. I just watched that match again a few weeks ago, and that loss was prefaced by Brock "breaking" the Undertaker's hand / wrist, along with various other sneak attacks in the days leading up to the match. I really would like someone to give me statistics on the last time Taker jobbed CLEAN to anyone. It doesn't fucking count if there was interference, or if the heel assaulted Taker on the Smackdown before the bit PPV match, etc. When was the last time someone got a clean pinfall on Taker. I'm willing to bet that it happened YEARS ago. I don't want to steer this into a Taker discussion, but really - anyone who has this idea that "when he finally does lose to someone, it will mean something!" is fucking delusional. He's NOT going to. Taker is LONG past the point now where he should be wrapping up his career by putting over the younger guys, and he ain't doing it, and he won't be doing it any time soon. Rudo is right in that you just haven't been reading the thread. Again, this all goes back to how it would have taken virtually NO EFFORT at all for the announcers (or hell, the bookers) to portray the match in a way that benefited both Batista AND Benoit. Don't give me this shit about how they're just focused on Batista. That's idiotic, short-sighted, and it's flat out BAD business to COMPLETELY put over someone at the expense of the another worker, when it would take only a modest amount of effort to make both of them look strong. Thats why I said as clean as possible. UT hasnt lost a programme or a feud clean since at least 1997. Oh, and Kahran, I would be surprised if hes still in the match after the 1st elimination.

I like Edges new theme, fits in very well with his heel persona. You're kidding. Edge's is noise and then breaks into the same white boy shit everyone else has. If you listen to the words, youll know what I mean.

No Taz, Awesome, Raven or Richards? They have to get the stars of ECW, and I cant see them doing that. Joey Styles is nice to see though.

Yes. I can remember 4 of his themes off the top of my head. I didnt watch Sur (PPV on Sky ) so I wouldnt stake my life on it. I prefer his lasnt one, but I am glad they didnt waste his waste his last one

Thanks alot.

Thanks alot. Was that sarcasm I detected. Is along post replying to a number of people "bad netiquette" too.

Im interested, but does it take up much time?

Yes, I know. I am new here. Is there a quick easy way to include multiple quotes in a post and your response to each?

I think we now know why Heyman was dismissed.

Im sure it was a bit before :S

I dont understand, are you implying that it would go over my head.

That was portrayed correctly, Rey outsmarted Eddie. Yes, and Batista used an exposed turnbuckle to his advantage, which you could class as out-smarting. You could also say it was Flair-esque influence. To use something to your advantage, no matter how immoral. It seems the problem wasn't so much the booking (Batista over Benoit), but the fact that either JR and King are dogging it, the people feeding them the info they need to talk about were too concerned (and rightfully so, seeing as this push could be a make or break one with Orton's push not going perfectly) about getting Batista's image right and forgetting about the match or, most likely, a combination of the two. I think its more a case of WWE coming up with half an idea and saying thats great, no point in making it any better.

Yes, I know, but this is the 1st real forum im using and its all pretty new to me. I am more used to IM. I only just discovered the Quote button with every post a few days ago.

More like fuel and wood for the fire. I dont want to come across as drowning the topic out, its just that the time zones as so different. Its the little things that matter to me, such as Eugene being speared out of the ring when Edge could have beaten the clock. WWE, and RAW, could add a number of touches to each show, making it more coherent. A good show does not mean that people will tune in next week, but they will over time, if each show builds on the other. RAW is full of wasted touches, that you wonder how do they get some things right, by accident?

EXACTLY. A ME star should be treated as so, not put over people at his PURE expense. but how do you get a new star over without making a current star job? what's makes Batista a more believable threat? killing Stevie Richards or barely getting past Benoit? Yes, I agree entirely, as I have said so many times in this post, but this ('barely getting past Benoit') could have been hyped so much more. Its little things that improve the product, those small touches. One think that really gets my back is why didnt Brock aim for Angle's ankle in the Iron Man Match instead of the knee, it would have been a bit more believable.

He lost as clean as possible to Brock in HitC.

Eddie helped JBL, Booker didnt. UT could have but I am not sure if he should have. When Shelton beat HHH it was seen as so important. That should have been built on, but no, it was wasted. I dont think it was even mentioned during their beat the clock challange. Would it have killed JR to say, HHH is in trouble, and King to say this does not look good for The Game since hes never beaten Shelton. Come on they are getting paid to do that. Also, I think Batista did 2 good one liners on this weeks RAW (about the 100 bucks and helping HHH if he was in dire straits). Would it have killed the writers to have to say at one point: At least someone in Evo can beat Benoit. Wouldnt that have created even further tension? :S

He also jobbed for JBL, if you could call that jobbing. I dont mind a wrestler who doesnt job (i.e. get squash) cause his 1st interest is himself, they should put each other over and if they are ME level be protected as much as possible whilst they do.

My thoughts are two-fold ... the first is that if someone needs JR and the King to hold their hand and explain that Batista just bent the rules to win, then their seats at the front of the short bus should be reserved. Plus, The days of the announcer adding to the match that way are long gone ... there was definitely a time that the announcer added something to the match (e.g. think of Foley's first book, where he had these visions of JR or Cornette hyping how amazing it was that he was taking this beating and surviving). These days, we're lucky that the announcers even give play-by-play, let alone add to match. the second thought is maybe the writers didn't care about keeping Benoit looking strong because that wasn't their goal. They don't care about keeping people looking good or protecting them unless that person is in their immediate plans. It wasn't long ago that Batista was getting pinned left and right ... why? because he wasn't in their plans. Now that it's his turn, it's time for someone else to get pinned. And, evidently, that person is Benoit. Yes, agreed, but JR and The King could have done their job. This wouldnt have only helped Benoit either, but also Batista, showing that he is inteligent and ruthless. Instead of them blabbing about their blasted debate.

I find it very hard to compare Benoits work in RAW to that of his in SD! And this in no way means he should go back to SD! He was just booked better. For example, Brock showed how tough he was by making Benoit pass out and he won the match, but Benoit showed how he would never give up the hunt for the title. What upsets me is that the WWE has the chance to hit with little things but they miss so many times.

That was portrayed correctly, Rey outsmarted Eddie.

It could just have been portrayed better IMHO.

I don't get how Benoit was presented poorly. He lost to a much bigger man, and that much bigger man had to bend the rules to beat him. Rhyno, the week before, was presented to look like a jobber. Benoit, this Monday, was not. Agreed. But it could have been portrayed differently by commentars (the 2nd most important piece and most probably 1st due to their being the mouthpiece during a match) stating stuff like, Batista has found a way to counter the crossface and it involves brute strength, Batista will stop at nothing to win, etc...

It hasnt made him any lower than he already was, that is already down the food chain. It confirm a fact. What it did do was put Benoit out of the running of the World Title due to the way it was portrayed. It exposed Benoit and you cant expose what people consider your #2 face (although I believe #2 is highly debatable).

Actually, I was in the library, bored from study at 3 in the afternoon! My apologies for cramming the topic, was very bored though at the time!