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Maybe because they have been depushed so many times they couldnt really care any more?

EXACTLY. A ME star should be treated as so, not put over people at his PURE expense.

The same week or the week after Edge changed his.

I dont know how to use them. Id love to be involved in creative and book matches and storylines.

Although RAW and SD! fall under the WWE, the philosophy and direction behind them is different, with dare I say it, RAW focusing more on the wrestling side of things, as compared to SD! on the entertainment. Its 1 company but I guess would could see them as 2.

HHH is god, dont you watch RAW. When ever somebody is pushed it is the expense of somebody else. Benoit was the loser this time, since it wasnt booked problem. All it took was JR saying that Batista had learnt from his previous encounters from Benoit, is a monster and doenst think that he will just roll over for HHH. There are tonnes of things that annoy me with the product. This has just got back up. And Benoit is suffering because of it. Which will wreck his career like it did Jericho, Booker and RVD.

Of course it isnt. I think it adds to Heat and Velocity. It is no way a depush. I liked Venis-Flair for example and Maven-HHH. Why shouldnt they do 2nd show duty.

Exactly. This was my point before. Its not told right.

I agree with you to a point. Benoit was the fall guy to make Batista look credible. He was repaying the favour. But that came at the expense of his spot.

Orton is practically doing that now. I would say that Benoit is most certainly not the #2 face.

I agree. Thats why Benoit needs to shake his character because his current one does very little for me.

For the simple reason that Batista squashed Jericho god knows how many times last year. The only man who could prove Batista was better was Benoit. Just a shame it had to be that way. We all know that there is only ever 1 top face and 1 top heel in a given programme, the WM one being that of HHH and Orton, at the moment. Everybody else just fades back out of the limelight. Its all about protecting your spot, and Benoit is losing his.

He has a much more interesting on screen character than Albert has by far. Hes supposed to be the smart roided up monster and hes doing it pretty well.

As much as I hate to say it, hes #6 and the blandest of the bunch. Hes being buried under other wrestlers and that is not a good thing when your in the wrestling business.

My point exactly, and I would say that Kane and HBK have a better chance and winning the title and they are not even in the EC. Btw, Jericho being HHHs bitch killed him. I would not want the same to Randy.

The match definetly hurt Benoit - I'm not disagreeing. I do think some people are blowing how bad it hurt him out of proportion. It hurt him in the sense that the "order" now goes something like Triple H - Orton - Batista - Benoit - Edge - Jericho, but the crowd would still buy it if Benoit won the elimination chamber., and now that Batista has been so dominate in the last few weeks they could buy him winning it as well. The match helped Batista more than it hurt Benoit, so IMO it was worth it. I would say Benoit is the least likely person coming out of the EC as the World Champ, less then Jericho, and thats saying something. Benoit is #6 in the company, #7 after a fit HBK and possibly #8 depending on how Kane comes back. Thats not the way to treat your #1 star of 2004.

Well, you suggested it, and that's crime enough. I am holding out on the fact that Trips is smart enough to recognize that he does not play a good face, and will hold out on any further attempts at a face run until his twilight years as a worker - or at least as long as he wishes to remain on top, which I assume will be the same thing. And for the record, I don't believe the loss last night hurt Benoit significantly. Although it may have put Benoit below Batista in the current 'pecking order' (and I'm not even sure that is true), it isn't like there is an exact number of wrestlers who can be considered legit main eventers at any one time. Ask yourself: does the audience consider Benoit any less of a title threat than they did before this last Raw? (i.e. a possible, but outside, chance) Was the loss considered, or sold as, an upset? I think not. It wasnt. Batista was higher than Benoit for the match. My whole argument is that the match made this so much clearer. I prefer the sarcastic heal HHH over the pandering face HHH anyday.

Yes it is. He use to use the DDT, the Wildbomb, the Shoulder Breaker, various suplex and submission holds. Benoit as a face is stale. The intensity he brings as a heal is much more entertaining. Fans will respect his work regardless of his persona. I watch Benoit cause hes Benoit, but if a heel turn is required to give him a proverbial kick up the backside, then so be it.

Things cant get any worse for Orton. HHH as a face was pathetic. He was getting cheap heat cause he came back from injury. The only time he got legit face heat was when he was the heal going up against Vince.

You say this like it is a good thing. If it's a choice between HHH at top heel or top face (and pretty clearly, it is) then Trips as heel is infinitely preferable. Thank you.

Of course it did. Benoit is the #5 face, how worse can it be! WWE always had people who could draw. Post-Hogan it was Hart, UT, HBK and Austin. Then it was Austin, UT, Foley, HHH and The Rock. The problem is that nobody is drawing. Benoit, if booked right could have been The ME Star of RAW. There were so many wasted chances. He should have been a legit title contender upon his jump to the WWE. He was the uncrowned WCW Champion, whats the point of worrying about the reverse, and then not taking advantage of this. He was then used as HHHs kick stand. Being the 6th wheel in the HHH-Rock-Angle-UT-Kane summer till Austin returned. Austin came back, Benoit went down. Then his neck went out when he was getting the closest thing to a push. When he came back Austin walked out on him. Another depush. Finally, gaining momentum again, Brock walks out. If Austin and Lesnar both did the major job at a major PPV for the Title and a big deal was made out of it, Benoit would be a megastar now.

I know that Batista moved into Benoit's spot. I just don't consider it a bad thing. Benoit was in the main event scene so much last year that there isn't that many place they can go with him anymore (Jericho is a face, Edge won't take Triple H's #1 heel spot this soon in the year, Orton, Trips, and HBK have been done). By pushing Batista into Benoit's top babyface spot (maybe #2 depending on Orton) they have more storyline and match possiblities available to them. They have tons of possiblities available to them: Benoit (Heel) vs Batista (Face) in a ME programme. Benoit must resort to heel tactics (and by this I mean ruthless agression to win). Benoit-Orton. Reversal of last year. Benoit-Jericho. Benoit-Kane. Reversal of last year. Batista-HHH. Kane-Bastita. In a ME programme. Edge-HBK. Jericho-Kane. Jericho-HHH. Hasnt been done in ages. Jericho-HBK. With HBK the cocky arrogant bastard. Benoit at the moment is the #5 face. I would rather be the #2 rather than the #5 face.

I agree. One of the major problems with RAW is the commentary. Its a shame because RAW can be very watchable at times. All it took was JR saying: Batistas been on the receiving end of the crossface for so long that he has realised that the only way out of it is to use brute force and use it very quickly.

I cant think anybody can do the egoistic heel better than HHH. Hes the number one heel going at the moment and makes it very clear that that is his spot. Every other wrestler is just secondary to the "crown jewel of RAW". A wrestler normally peaks in his mid-30s. Ortons got loads of time left.

Batista needs to break away within the next 2 months. I agree that Benoit moves down the pecking order. Thats what has got my back up. He and Jericho have no chance of winning the EC.