Hunter's Torn Quad

Anybody who wants Brock to lose before a WM 22 main event against Batista would make a shitty wrestling promoter. To make the most money possible, and I'll repeat that so the slower ones amongst you can understand, to make the most money possible, neither Brock nor Batista can go into their WM 22 main event tarnished by clean jobs, or any jobs, or anything that takes away from their monster auras. That means no jobs for Brock, no short term title change program for Batista, and no scenarios where either man looks stupid or weak.

I don't think you're doing anything wrong as much as you don't seem to have a great knowledge and/or understanding of wrestling. You're not bad by any means, but you're still rough around the edges, and the only thing that can fix that is experience. Just watch more, say less, figure out why A leads to B, and you'll get there. Thanks for the advice. Ironically enough I've been watching since late 1980s but haven't become a "smark" til the 2000's. If it helps, your post just now in the Lesnar thread was on the money.

I hear that worked well for Hogan and Andre.

Very hard for a lot of people.

Then there was the time he was wrestling Andre at the house shows and would hit the ring at a million miles an hour, hit the ropes and clobber Andre with a stiff clothesline. Andre told Warrior to ease up, so Andre could better take an easy bump into the ropes. The next night, Warrior does his usual thing, and when Bobby Heenan, who was managing Andre, asks him why he didn't listen, Warrior said something like, "I never know where I'm going to be". So, the following night, Warrior does his usual thing at high speed, but this time, when he goes for the clothesline, Andre just holds his fist out, and Warrior smacks it head first, and staggers around all shaken up. The night after that, Warrior hits the ring hard but this time he does a nice and easy clothesline and Andre takes his bump into the ropes. Andre then turns to Heenan and says, "He's learning".

I don't think you're doing anything wrong as much as you don't seem to have a great knowledge and/or understanding of wrestling. You're not bad by any means, but you're still rough around the edges, and the only thing that can fix that is experience. Just watch more, say less, figure out why A leads to B, and you'll get there.

It almost certainly wasn't as bad as that travesty. All it means is that the company didn't like the match for some reason, probably because it wasn't what they wanted out of it. Same deal with Juvi's tryout from a few years ago, where the match was probably good, but because he did all his spots when the company didn't want that, they didn't like the match.

You seem decent enough. I wouldn't say you were anything above average at the moment, but you're not the worst poster around here. You could do with improving though, and I think you probably will, so that's good. Sean Connery said it best with this gem: "Personally, I think you're a fucking idiot."

If you mean the part about the interview drawing 'heat' from 'internet marks', consider who made the thread.

At least someone else around here gets it.

It was a regular occurance where the bookers would put together a Nitro, and then Hogan would come in that afternoon and change everything around. In March of 1996, for example, when Hogan was going to leave for a while and they were building Giant up, an angle was put together for Giant to chokeslam Hogan and leave him laying to write him out. Hogan then got there and changed it to Giant chokeslamming Sting and Luger to leave them laying, and Hogan would then run Giant off and beat up Jimmy Hart as well and be left standing tall, and that was how he would be written out.

The main event on the biggest card of the year should be between the two guys that are seen as above everyone else. That's what draws the most money; the wrestlers seen as the very best in the promotion going head on. You follow up on what you should have been doing before WM, and using the guys you've built back up after getting beaten by Lesnar and Batista.

Well, you may think what I proposed is stupid, but I'd find what you proposed completely boring and predicatable. To each his own. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have a hunch, just a hunch mind you, that mine would make more money.

To most of the casuals it will be. Promoted right, it will be two guys they see as huge badasses colliding, and they will want to pay to see these two beat the shit out of each other.

Lesnar losing before he meets Batista at WM 22, which is what the main event there should be, would be stupid. Same with Batista doing a short term title change before then. And Lesnar should be dominant in his matches for sure. Lesnar might not have to squash people, but he absolutely should dominate, and he absolute cannot be seen to struggle against anyone below upper midcard status.

I think a better comparison of each man's nostalgia value can be made when they can build to Austin's return match, if it ever happens. Of course, that can only be done if Austin comes back against a current hot act, because if it's against Hogan, then it'll be both men drawing the numbers that night, and it won't be fair test of Austin's nostlagia value.

Hogan hasn't been 'on top' for over five years. Ever since mid-1999, his big runs have been short bursts of nostalgia. If he was put on top, really on top, it wouldn't last for very long. Hogan is running on nostalga right now.

For entire career, Hogan undoubtedly as Austin beat, due to being on top for so long in more places. But for WWF/E only, Austin drew more and made more for the company than Hogan. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think Hogan being on top during 2 hot periods is probably one of the greatest accomplishments of any wrestler, though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Given the right circumstances, and if WCW had somehow survived and thrived in some fashion, I have no doubt Austin would have done that too had he ever chosen to go back there.

Hogan's last big buy rate as a regular draw was the Superbrawl 9 match with Flair, that drew a comparable buy rate to the Austin v McMahon cage match that month. After that, Hogan only drew big numbers as a nostalgia act.

For entire career, Hogan undoubtedly as Austin beat, due to being on top for so long in more places. But for WWF/E only, Austin drew more and made more for the company than Hogan.

Normally, I have jackie fargo on ignore, but I figured he would defend Hogan against the money comment, but for WWF/E at least, what MikeJordan23 said is true. Austin on top helped WWF gross more money than they did with Hogan on top.

You bring good content to the WWE folder. You appear to know what you're talking about, which naturally makes you stand out. I think you could turn into one of TSM's more respected posters if you keep it up.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, no, no and no. The one potential big money match that they have on the table is Batista v Brock Lesnar as the WM 22 main event, and it has to be for the title. The biggest money would be with Batista still having the title and defending it against Lesnar, who would ideally go into the match undefeated. And under no circumstances whatsoever should Lesnar be anybody's hired gun or henchman. The Brock that gets over the most doesn't do things for other people. He does things for himself because he wants to, not because someone else asked him to.

I always figured Kaz Hayashi sold it to pay for his airfare back to Japan.

Really, the whole surprise factor is overrated. That's a one-shot deal, and if a surprise is just that- a surprise, then it won't make them any money anyway because they won't have any higher viewership than usual. The real planning here is how to make money off him long-term, not on his re-introduction. And for once, I think they're going about it the right way: Publicize every little detail of the process of bringing him back. It makes him seem like a bigger deal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We have a winner. You don't make money off of bringing a big name back with zero build, and WWE needs to make as much money off of Lesnar as they possibly can before they mess things up, which history tells us they most likely will. Making the most money off of Lesnar's return means building it up, and not trying to make it a surprise just to get a reaction, because that makes you a mark for the pop, and we've seen in the past what that has meant for business. What they are doing right now, laying out his return piece-by-piece for their hardcore fans is the first step. Once this part of the storyline is concluded, and Lesnar finally signs, then they need to move on to letting the casual fans know that Lesnar is coming back. And that is the part of the puzzle that I think is where the biggest risk lies, because WWE could very easily make a mess of things. I hope they won't, because Lesnar being brought back could make them a ton of money if handled right, but I won't hold my breath on them pulling the trigger and getting the most out of this.