Hunter's Torn Quad

Owen's match was going to be the third one, so I'm guessing they were about 30-45 minutes into the PPV.

I was talking about the champ.

The right thing to do morally would have been to stop the PPV, and send everyone home. From a money perspective, I can see how people can think that carrying on was the right thing to do, but I absolutely don't agree with it. As for people criticizing Vince if had stopped the show, I think it's a safe bet that stopping the PPV would have seen Vince get less criticism than he got for going on with it.

Maybe if they had actually informed them that Owen had died, and said that in respect of Owen they were cancelling the PPV and would be redoing the event as soon as possible and would honor all tickets for that night, it would have at least quelled any potential unrest over cancelling the PPV. Other sporting and entertainment events in the past where a death or other tragic event has occured have been cancelled right away, and people weren't mad, because they understood the nature of the situation.

4 rocks of crack, and a fresh glass pipe.

"Also, to give this match any long-term build would mean: -paying Hogan to go on the road -dealing with Egomania running wild -making younger talent job to Hogan YET AGAIN -somehow making Hassan look like a threat when he's been HTM 2005 since he debuted -and convincing Hogan to be the semi-main on a B-level PPV in New Hampshire (an unproven market for hosting PPVs)." -paying Hogan to go on the road: Hogan wouldn't want to go on the road, so that's that sorted. -dealing with Egomania running wild You're going to get that no matter what you do. The best bet to deal with it is just to keep Hogan confined to doing stuff involving Hassan, and nothing else. -making younger talent job to Hogan YET AGAIN So don't have him wrestle the younger talent. He shouldn't anyway, because each Hogan match means a little less than the last one. Keep him confined to angles and promo's, leaving his matches for the PPV's that get built to to make money. -somehow making Hassan look like a threat when he's been HTM 2005 since he debuted They can deal with that in one fell swoop at WM by having him lay both Austin and Piper out. As of last word, Hassan was going to interrupt the Piper's Pit segment, and if they are still going to push Hassan to mean anything, this will show it. -and convincing Hogan to be the semi-main on a B-level PPV in New Hampshire (an unproven market for hosting PPVs)." He didn't mind being a semi-main event at Judgement Day in 2003, for a match that had 3 days build up. The best thing for business is to build to a Hogan match. It's just that simple.

No match hyped for 24 hrs will make much of a difference. You get the most from a match by hyping it for weeks, not hours. Besides, you've already got Austin returning to pop a buy rate boost. Why waste Hogan's return, when you can save it and build to it on a PPV that really does need the help ?

Why waste Hogan's first match back in some kind of unadvertised inpromptu affair ? Have a confrontation, sure, but don't do anything resembling a match without hyping it like crazy.

He has a title defence against Dusty Rhodes on some NWA card coming up in the next couple of weeks.

If Hassan and Davari get beaten up by Hogan, then where's the lure of a singles match ? Hogan just showed he could beat them both up on his own. If they want to set up a match between Hassan and Hogan, they need to decide before WM, and then set it up by having Hassan lay Hogan out.

Hogan isn't going to appear on Raw tonight, unless Vince really has become a mark for the pop. You only get one shot at Hogan's big return to WWE programming, and they aren't going to ruin it by not advertising it ahead of time.

Duggan debuted for WCW at a tv taping on July 19th 1994, beating Tex Slazenger. He wrestled at subsequent tv tapings in some competitive matches, though I don't know if they were taped at all. He also wrestled DDP during WCW's European tour in August.

If this is true, Orton has to get some sort of punishment. I know a lot of people are getting their rocks off on this, but whether you like or hate the nameless women taking up so much time shouldn't matter. Randy Orton is opening WWE up to potential legal action with what he has been doing and, from all accounts, still is doing, and WWE needs to straighten him up fast, or they could lose a lot more than just a couple of women from the payroll.

Complete disaster. I'm pretty sure Vince actually lost money on the project too, and it's part of the reason he had heat with Hogan.

When you bill a match where the most falls in one hour wins, and then have no falls in the hour and no winner in the hour, the fans, rightfully, feel ripped off. If you bill a match at being the most falls in one hour, fans expect there to be falls taking place. Having Bret v Shawn wrestle in an Iron Man match, then having them go the distance with no falls taken is a straight up screwjob on the fans, because they come away feeling ripped off. However, if they had just had Bret and Shawn wrestle to a 60 minute draw, and then gone into sudden death, then fans wouldn't have felt so ripped off, and had a sour taste left their mouth. A 60 minute match with no falls taken when done in the context of a regular match that just happens to go 60 minutes doesn't leave people feeling cheated, whereas a 60 Minute Iron Man match that goes the distance with no falls taken does leave people feeling cheated. Their WM XII match would have been better, and come off better, if they had just had them wrestle a normal match and just go to a 60 minute draw. It would have come off as more of an epic for one, because people wouldn't have seen a 60 minute draw coming, and it would have seemed more special that way. Not only that, Iron Man matches are notoriously hard to get heat for until the last five minutes, because people know the match isn't ending any time soon. It's also why they don't do so well ratings wise when put on tv; fans know the match isn't going to end before the hour is up, so tune in for the first few minutes, and then tune out until the very end.

Though you think Wrestlemania would be where all the hardcore wrestling marks would show up, especially with an ironman match between two smark darlings. The hardcore fans were all jammed in the first few rows, and they were into it.

Yes.

I haven't watched it since watching it live, but I remember being bored silly and giving it **1/4. I was watching it with a family member who was into wrestling, but who was more of a casual fan, and they were bored silly as well.

From live reports, fans started getting restless about 6 minutes in, but those fans were way at the back. It appears that as the match went on, and with no falls taken, more and more fans realised that there would be no falls at all, and at about the half way mark is when people started leaving. I think a couple of falls in the body of the match would have helped the crowd heat a little, but I think the crowd itself just weren't interested in a 60 minute technical match. They popped huge for the return of the Ultimate Warrior, but the moment the bell rang for his match there was silence. It seemed to be crowd there more for the entertainment than the wrestling.

In some ways, Bret v Shawn at WM XII was like Benoit v Malenko at Hog Wild in 1996. You had what was, technically, a great match, but you had a crowd that didn't really care about the match, an announcing team that couldn't or wouldn't get the match over, and a finish that left a lot of people disappointed and let down.

Carlito needs major rebuilding to be any kind of credible PPV challenger for John Cena. He's been made to look like a fool by Teddy Long, which he really should get revenge for at some point before his PPV title match, and he got treated like a jobber by Undertaker a couple of weeks ago. If they are intending to put Carlito and Cena in the main event of a PPV, and it'll be a 'B' level PPV, then they need to start rebuilding hiim right away, so he'll be ready by June or July.

Huh? Jericho, Guerrero, and Benout ALL made it to the semi-finals. They weren't eliminated in the first round. They didn't make it to the semi-finals, just the quarter finals.

In a different arena, with a different audience and a different announcing team, it would have come across a lot better. As it is, the match bored most of the live crowd senseless, with at least a third of them leaving long before the match had finished, and you had an announcing team of Jerry Lawler and Vince McMahon who were totally clueless on getting over the strategy and the matwork.

The 2002 KOTR PPV got, for that time, what was considered a disappointing buy rate. The tournament got the blame for it, because it was decided that it couldn't possibly have been the fault of the Triple H v Undertaker main event. So, the tournament got scrapped for good.

The turn was decided on the day before.