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I had it 43 Kerry, 31 Bush. I gave points for everything. From Kerry adding the extra hand for the hand shake (+1) to him starting off a lil long in thanks the moderator, florida, etc. (-2). If they made a good point, they got a point. If they made a bad point, they got a negative. If they made a good impression on me in one area, they got a point. If they avoided a point, they lost one. However, if they avoided it and spun it well, I gave +2. Of course, things went in degrees, so if they did really good, I would give 3's or 4's. The only 5 I gave was for Bushes Closing Statement. I gave him a -4 though on one or two occasions. He emoted really well at one point (talking about the wife) and I must've given him 6 or 7 points in total for that. But overall he was bad, and I gave him a 1 for Overall Effect, while I gave Kerry a 4.

"Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb"

True what you are saying. Do you think that would make a match between Angle and HBK come off as a disappointment. I think to people who look beyond emotional reaction (ie: storytelling, bodywork, psychology, realism...) the match would be a nightmare. However, to the majority of the public, it would be loved because both guys would go nuts in there. They both work the same kind of match - they both work highs and lows rather than telling an actual story. So there would be plenty of "oohs" and "ahs" going around, and depending on where you put it in the card, it would work out well.

The Rockers vs. The British Bulldogs: I think this is a rather silly match to make. Rockers vs. Hardyz would be more appropriate, stylistically. Maybe Rockers vs. Hardyz vs. Bulldogs in a TLC. That sounds pretty good, especially given that Dynamite was doing Ladder matches when the Hardyz were in grade school Roddy Piper & Paul Orndorff vs. Scott Hall & Kevin Nash. What? This seems like dart match making. *Throws a dart* PIPER and Orndorff! *Throws a dart* Hall and Nash! Maybe Piper hosts Pipers Pit with Hall and Nash and makes them look like putz's Big Show vs. Andre the Giant: This is a pretty obvious choice. Yes. Too obvious. This is Vince McMahon match making. "Well, they're both REAL BIG! So their match will be REEEEEEEEAL BIG! There has to be a better way to use Andre, and no way to use the big show. Maybe add Andre to the Foley/Roberts/Kane vs. Taker match. It'd be a sweet handicap match. Triple H vs. "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig Euck. Hennig in 1990 WM 7 (sadly, Curt didn't really excell at WM) vs. Chris Jericho WM 18 would be nifty. Both guys who really should have been more successful than they were. Hmm, maybe not. Jericho doesn't really have the offense that Hennig could bump to. Consider this a "maybe". Rob Van Dam vs. Ultimate Warrior: AHAHHA FUNNY! Muh. Warrior WM 6 vs. Cena WM XX intrigues me. On a promo level, it would be sublime. In the ring, if Cena does his selling performance ala vs. Benoit Smackdown December show, then this could actually surprise and be a good match. In terms of "hot properties", these two and this time would fit the bill. Undercard: Brock Lesnar vs. Yokozuna (F5 that!)... Brock is too good of a talent to be in there with Yokofuckingzuna. Lesnar WM XX (well, around that time...) vs. Owen WM X would be a supercool match, as Owen could be described as a blend between Benoit and Guerrero stylistically (closer to Guerrero, prob) and Lesnar had fabulous matches with them. Rick Rude vs. Val Venis... I'd like to see Rude WM 5 vs. HHH WM 14 (or 2000). It'd be a nice "out-cocky" battle. LOD vs. Demolition... God, could this be more predictable? *snip the rest*

Angle is closer to HBK than Hart. Angle uses "mat wrestling" the same way HBK used "high flying". No real reason other than to show he can do it. Both men used pacing and flow to manipulate the crowd rather than substantive storytelling.

I'd say that Angle would provide an excellent, natural, foil to the turned Bret Hart of 1997. Bret Hart, the self-professed "moral" wrestler, and patriotic Canadian, vs. Angle, someone with true moral fibre (not the hypocrite that Hart is) and American Hero. Better than the Patriot, same music though

I find that rationale acceptible

I think the WHY is so much more important in solving the problem. Dumbass Writers, Dumb Storylines, Dumb Booking is a symptom of the real problems.

No doubt something like Hogan/Austin would fill the Collesium and I understand the historical importance of it (having failed to do so at WM 7), I just don't see the personal connection with Hogan/Austin. And there could very well be one, I just like things to work on that level

Why would you have Hogan/Austin in LA? ::Edit, I know thats the most likely match to fill the LA Collesium, but I don't recall (and I may be wrong here) either guy being notably popular in this area. In other words, their popularity doesn't especially stand out.

God is outside of time. So when the beginings were created so were the ends. Don't you see how this effects free will? Think of it like dominoes. God set it all up, knew where it was heading to, and when he created life, he knocked over the first one.

Bret Hart vs. Kurt Angle: Bad choice as a main eventer. Hart and Angle weren't close to the draws that Hogan/Austin/Rock were, and would be eclipsed (and rightly so) by the match below. Match-wise, this doesn't turn me on. Hart could carry Angle to something great, but I think Angle would want to throw in so much nuttiness that it would bog down the match. It would be, basically, Hart trying the whole match to calm Angle down. Best case scenario: Bret WM 8 vs. Kurt WM 17. Worst Case Scenario: Bret WM 12 vs. Kurt WM 19. Hulk Hogan vs. Steve Austin: I'd have Hogan WM 5 vs. Austin WM 13. If anything, just for the spot where Hogan gives Austin the Big Boot - Austin catches it, gives Hogan the finger, spins him and stuns him. Austin pins Hogan, Hogan kicks out and Hulks up, drops the leg. Where you go from there is up to you. I'd personally have Hulk win. The Rock vs. Randy Savage: (w/Elizabeth): Savage WM 8 vs. Rock WM 17 may have something ring-wise to offer. But I never once thought "Rock, Savage... DREAM MATCH~!". Two different styles in the ring, in promos, in looks, in generations. I don't see where the connection ever could be made. Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair: This is just silly. The Flair/Steamboat matches never did anything for me and why would something so NWA be decided at WM. Best pure wrestling match my ass. I think the best possible scenario here is combining this and Rock/Savage. Then you can combine the Steamboat/Savage with the Savage/Flair stuff, and Rock would be the outside party or the "wild card". It'd be a fun match to watch as you have varying degrees of characters who would all play off of each other. Steamboat WM 3, Savage WM 7, Flair WM 8, Rock WM 19 to be clear. Mick Foley vs. Jake "The Snake" Roberts: I don't think it'd work on promos. They would cancel each other out. Stylistically, they're too similar. Where they stand/stood out was in how different their promos were at the time - both showed an intelligence that their opponents usually didn't. It just wouldn't work. Now, if they were on the same team, maybe a 6 or 8 man team, then there'd be something to talk about. They could do the traditional "pass the mic around" promo spot(s) and play off of each other. Foley/Roberts/Kane vs. Taker and some other folks, maybe. Play up the whole Taker WM thing. It'd be interesting. I'll do the rest later.

This looks like something I'd read on wrestlexxxboobz.com's message board. Jesus fucking christ.

http://www.wwe.com/news/commentary/bradshaw/1277159 Seriously, at least know something about what you're talking about.

Um, he debates and discusses politics all the time in his columns on WWE.com. He is using his gimmick as an "out", so he doesn't have to take responsibility for anything he does or says.

Bradshaw does or says something stupid and then falls back on saying it's his character. ... This just in, Bradshaw has just robbed a bank and killed 3 police officers in the process. Whether or not this is a criminal offense is being debated right now, because it may not really mean anything since he's a "bad guy" and can get away anything. Apparently, because Robert De Niro did this in HEAT, it's ok.

While they may (or may not) want wrestling to be taken seriously, they sure-as-hell want the WWE as an organizaton to be taken seriously. Hell, it's been Vince's goal for the past 20 years to become "legitimate" in the Entertainment world.

Since this is a new show, we're all probably having a lil trouble with names... Here is my character guide... Naveen Andrews - Sayid (Fought in the Gulf War on the side of... IRAQ~! I think he was in Alive, and I know he was in the Rollerball remake.) Matthew Fox - Jack (Was a Spinal Surgeon. A DOCTOR. Thus far, squeeky clean, and abnormally heroic) Jorge Garcia - Hurley (The fat one. Quite possibly, with a heart of gold... which may or may not be chloesterol build up.) Maggie Grace - Shannon (There may be a criminal on the island, but she's jail bait.) Josh Holloway - Sawyer (YEAH MOTHERFUCKER. He owned a truck! A black truck! And it had a skull on it somewhere! And he watched Motocross! He may, or may not, have a sensitive side.) Malcolm David Kelley - Walt (The lil black kid who knows 2 things: how to spell bodies, and the old mans secret) Yunjin Kim - Sun (Hot Asian who wants to unbutton her shirt. I see great potential here) Daniel Dae Kim - Jin (A real man. He keeps his woman in check and is scared of Austrailian pregnant ladies... a fear I know all too well.) Evangeline Lilly - Kate (She likes to cry in the rain, and strip in the sea. We wouldn't last, but then again, we wouldn't have to. Seems a bit clingy, and I think she may be in jail for killing her husband. No, we wouldn't last at all.) Dominic Monaghan - Charlie (He plays in a Rock and Roll band, but flies Coach. He's a happy coke head... but what happens when he goes through withdrawl???) Terry O'Quinn - Locke (He has a secret, loves old things, recognizes the light and the dark, and apparently is a hunter. He could be the greatest one of them all.) Harold Perrineau Jr. - Michael (The father of the kid he doesn't really understand. Perhaps they will get to know each other a little bit better during this time of crisis... Herc from AICN said one of the problems he had was "How did they know there was a criminal from just looking at the handcuffs." Well, I dunno if you guys noticed this about Michael and how he relates to crime, but.... he was on oZ, so I think he' know. HA, I bet you thought I was going to say he associated handcuffs with crime because he was black!) Emilie de Ravin - Claire (I don't know what dark secret they will give her -cause she's pregnant and harmless, but I can imagine.) Ian Somerhalder - Boone (Wasn't this guy the gay dude from Rules of Attraction? We know he was a lifeguard but still can't give mouth to mouth to a woman, so he may still be gay here.)

Good lord, this gives me bad memories of Yahoo Wrestling Chat.

Did God know the future of what he was creating before he created it?

Why aren't they saying that? Why isn't anybody saying that? Right there, in the answers, you have 2 separate and fundamental problems afflicting the WWE right now, which we really should be discussing.

Um.. actually... that's all the stories I had

You think that will stop Vince or Kevin Dunn from going: "We need to do something edgy! We need to grab peoples attention! We need to shock people!"

Vince Russo was a wrestling fan, he still did a lot of really stupid stuff that really should have been checked at the door. The Vince Russo Virus is still in the WWE System - the mentality is still there.

It's that, and it's also WHY. WHY does the WWE keep doing all this stupid stuff?