i wouldn't argue that point much, either. though i do stand by my enjoyment of that album. there was a sense of adverturism that common attempted that the majority of his bretheren wouldn't dream of. same with phrenology. another great album from a bland rap group. sure, they use live instrumentalism, but for the most part, they don't offer me anything. i'd rather have a dr. dre production that an instrumental rap troupe. rap should be fun. i think, at least.