RonL21

I saw this and it had to be my new sig....MVP has grown on me folks...

was that a LionTamer I saw earlier...

DDP/Goldberg Halloween Havoc 1998

This one of those Monday Nite War overruns..

When was the last time there was a contract signing and no one just put through the table...

I always wondered why wrestlers wear their gear and they don't wrestle...

they must have the Limo running w/ Trump having on his overcoat and all

im laughing my ass off at Umaga's expressions

wait...wasnt raw in DC just a couple months ago?

I remember Mr. Fuji Well from my mark days...only as a manager of Yoko and a couple others though...

Is Edge hurt or something or is he just getting rest....And Kane always gets the best pops...

What'd I miss...REcap so far please...

I think this was the best year to be a wrestling fan... -The Return of the Hart Foundation -The continuing rise of Stone Cold -Original DX -Montreal Screwjob -Sting's Return -Rise of DDP Help me out w/ more WCW..I was watching but just not every week like WWF/E I know there were a lot of Nitos in 96 that don't hold water today as stated in previous threads..but I think everyone will admit 97 was much better...Once Sting was back in the Picture..Nitro actually deservingly beat Raw on Some Monday Nights.. Discuss....

Im partial to the period of my youth...the early-mid 90s....I remember All-American Wrestling w/ HillBilly Jim and Prime Time Wrestling a little bit...Bret's Title Run I remember everyone was a legitimate contender...I prefer this time to now...I don't see how kids today do it nowadays actually.....I just think matches overall were better back then..I was unaware of finaincials and things like that but I never understood how you can say Bret never drew money or Kevin Nash never drew...Wrestling was just not popular during this period....I think the Steriod Thing had a lot to do w/ it But i don't think it was particulary Bret's or Diesel's fault...It obviously took the right folks at the right time coming along and people actually coming up w/ fresh ideas like the NWO, ECW, Attitude Era to reach a whole new breed of Folks....I always wondered for the folks who complain about the product now....how would the think of the period between 93-96 in the WWF I loved it when i was a kid and prefer it but im sure it would be dreaded if it were goin on now... And this is for you Humanoid......I think 98 was probably the best year as far as PPVs go....I don't think there was one bad PPV that year with SummerSlam 98 probably being the Best..The Highway to Hell Song/Theme was just so Perfect to go along w/ that show Rock/HHH in the Final great fued of the IC Title was pure Greatness... Discuss your fav era/year/period......

As far as the kids of today, I truly don't know that if I was born after 1993 that I ever would have gotten into it in the first place. I guess I wouldn't have had anything to compare it to, but nothing feels special anymore. I don't know. I just really hate the product since 2002/3 or so. Yes, there have been some great matches but I don't feel an attachment to any of them because it's so hard for them to stand out in the current homogenized environment. I really don't care for the hole obsession with history, show-within-a-show style of booking they've gone with the last couple years now. It's really an unprecedented philosophy- no wrestling show has ever succeeded with that mindset before, but then again up until Vince bought his competition, wrestling regularly re-wrote history, trained fans not to care about the past, and basically had them erase people and events from memory once those people left the company. I'm with you on this. Honestly, as a fan, why the hell do you care what Vince's bottom line is? As far using the term "drawn money" to form arguments against certain people for "not drawing", I think it's bullshit. Other than the OBVIOUS no-brainer major draws of all-time (Andre, Hogan, Austin, Rock, even Vince, etc.) it just doesn't matter. Other than a those select few (not saying those are the only select few), no one guy has ever been responsible for drawing the majority of the people to the show. This is really a whole other thread, but I've mentioned my thoughts on that before. That I'm gonna have to disagree on. Summerslam was a really good show. WM 14 was good and definitely did good business, but I think a lot of people overrate it. The 98 PPVs have two things going for them, aside from the obvious being that Austin vs. McMahon was red-hot and they did good business: 1) I don't like Russo, but one thing he did do was give people a reason to at the very least be interested in midcard guys. He paid attention to the midcard, and that's something McMahon hasn't always done historically, and 2) Because every match on Raw was no longer than 3 minutes and didn't have a finish, the PPV matches actually mattered because it was the only time you could see your favorite midcard guys wrestle for longer than 3 minutes and your main event guys go longer than 5. That's not necessarily the best way to do things, but it's true- in order to see actual matches, you really did have to order the PPV. The "best" year for PPV issue plays right back into best vs. favorite, though. Also, how do you compare an era of monthly PPVs and weekly live two hour TV shows to an era of month-long pre-tapes and 4-5 shows per year. It's apples and oranges. I always hated main events in '98 and '99 because they were mostly garbage formula matches. Brawl into the crowd, back into the aisle, do a gag with the set, back in the ring, then it's break the announce table, and go to the finish. And don't forget to mix in some chairshots. Plus, TV and PPV matches alike seemed to never end with anything other than a finisher or interference. And that's it. This really detracted from every match for me because set-up moves, pinning combinations, etc. never got a fall. The crowds never bought any near falls unless it was a finisher or interference. So there's just a lot of ugly things about the '98 shows that I've never liked. In the monthly PPV era, I'd have to say 2000 turned out my favorite shows. It definitely dipped downhill after Summerslam, but they were on a serious roll (other than KOTR) until then. There may not have been an overnight change but they really flushed out the crap once Russo left. With Austin gone, the main events felt a lot more fresh, and let's face it- HHH was the man at this point. The brawling style in main events was still around but not nearly as bad as it was before (talking about brawling in regular matches- not the likes of the HHH/Foley Street Fight and HIAC). And the undercards improved drastically with the Jericho, Angle, Benoit, Eddie, E & C, Hardyz, etc. all in the mix, as opposed to people like Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, Chyna, Shamrock, Test, etc. in those roles in '98 and '99. As always, just my opinion. Bret Hart is the reason i got into watching wrestling and he just seemed so Popular along w/ Kevin Nash...Im glad I was a Mark during this time.....The only reason I still watch wrestling is simply because I always have except from about late 2001 to eary 2005...Ive smartend up and look at it differently of course..but I definetly think my view is different..than say someone who started to watch in 98-99.... 2000 did have some good PPVs too..But SummerSlam 98 is definetly one of my all time fave PPVs...even the post show on the Home Shopping Network was great....

You sure do back your shit up... ..What about WCW though..

Haha, I know I don't always agree with the masses but in a lot of instances I actually do. I just feel the need to speak out when I don't agree with the consensus. There are just certain things that bug me about the whole "historically perceived" notion. I like what I like. Also, I think people go to the extreme too much when it's not warranted. Everything has to be the best ever or the worst ever when it usually really falls somewhere in the middle. It seems like the stuff that's remembered as good has to be considered legendary, and the stuff that's remembered as bad as to be considered as awful. I'm not saying WM 11 was a great show by any means but do I think most people are too hard on it? Yes. Is it one of the better WMs? No. But that doesn't make it brutal. (Although I must admit, even as an 11 year old football fan from Jersey where LT was a legend I still thought the celebrity match was pointless and had very little interest in it at the time.) Take a lot of shows from 1998 and 1999. Obviously, the company was making boatloads of cash at the time, which is their goal. Mission accomplished. I don't fault them for it. And because they were making so much money and they were successful at that time, that period is "historically perceived" as a favorable one. But as far as I'm concerned, a lot of the matches were garbage. There were lively characters and for the most part good storylines, and say what you will about Russo (I hate him) but he was never boring. But most of the matches were brutal in my opinion. So as a fan, I didn't really like that time period that much as a whole. Even though it was a profitable time for the company. Well, just because the company is making money at the time, why should I have to like everything about the product? I just don't understand why there has to be a correlation. Why fans automatically equate "successful" with "good." In any other form of entertainment, these are the same people that defend sitcoms that get low ratings and albums that don't sell well. Why is wrestling different? Why do you have to like the so-called popular stuff and not the underappreciated stuff? It seems like if enough people online say something is "the best" then it automatically becomes the best and everyone who doesn't agree is an idiot. It goes the other way too. In 1994, business was down. But I liked a lot of the shows and the matches. So "history" and the WWF remembers this time period negatively since they weren't making that much money. But I remember it fondly because I liked the product and the matches. What's so wrong with that? And I'm not just going against the grain for the hell of it. Business is down now too but I can't stand the current product. And I loved 2000 and the beginning of 2001, which was still a very successful time period. I was just a kid during the early 90s period....So i was unaware of stuff like Financial loss and stuff like that....I just loved everything about his time....I guess i look a stuff differently because I was a mark for so many years before i discovered how wrestling really worked and it was only a couple years ago that I really started looking at Internet Wrestling Sites....Folks that jumped on in 98 and soon after I think look at wrestling differently than I do because I was once oblivious to everything that went on backstage...I remember the good ole days when SuperStars was taped like 3 weeks worth of shows and you actually had to watch them to get the results..and if you missed it there was always the recap shows...

I agree w/ that..I was watching Starcade 97 and was thoroughly dissapointed....But as far as thinking back and watching that stuff as it happened..it was great tv..i'll give them that..

Jeff Hardy Vs. Undertaker-Ladder Match for the WWE Undisputed Title > TAKA Michinoku vs Triple H Even though TAKA/HHH was great for what it was....They coulda let Jeff have the Belt until SmackDown!....Jeff's shining moment in my opinion... What happened after the match just sealed that match for me...Top 15 Raw Matches ever at least...

Good Lord, Layla....

AJ Pierzynski(sp) doing some undercover work for TNA i See...

Snitsky looks like Morpheus just freed him..

I think his Physique makes up for his voice...if he was HBK's size then we'd have a problem..

eh.... i thought it would be the Fink and they would announce his induction into the Hall...Tatar Sauce...

He looks to be in Great shape...