Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): So you'd pick Kennedy, eh? I have a weakness for cute smart chicks, so it's Fred for me. But yeah, Kennedy is still damn hot. Ever since Fred has whored it up with both Wes and Gunn and stopped being a complete dork, her appeal has dropped significantly with me... I liked quirky Fred... Kennedy has really really really really nice eyes. And that's not a euphemism for breasts either... It's not... Seriously... I'd hit it. And how disgusting was Cordelia at the end? Ewwwwwww. I mean, they sort of did her heel turn well, in that it's really easy to dislike her for what she's doing now. I mean, I don't even think Cordy is hot anymore, unless it's Buffy Cordy has gotten so homely but never quite lost the whorey, so it just looks like she is a former-prom-queen-now-coked-up-hooker who has to look after 3 children on her own. I like the whole 'manipulating Connor' thing, but we all know this heel turn won't last... And they sacrificed the beast cause of her... They totally blew their wad there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LaParkaMarka Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Ever since Fred has whored it up with both Wes and Gunn and stopped being a complete dork, her appeal has dropped significantly with me... I liked quirky Fred... I also like quirky Fred a lot more than whorey Fred. I just like to ignore the bad things about characters that I like. That being said, I cheered after Gunn pulled away from Fred's kiss a couple of eps ago. She doesn't deserve Gunn. Or Willow, for that matter. Kennedy has really really really really nice eyes. And that's not a euphemism for breasts either... It's not... Seriously... I'd hit it. Oh, I'd hit Kennedy in a heartbeat too. It's a tough choice. Cordy has gotten so homely but never quite lost the whorey, so it just looks like she is a former-prom-queen-now-coked-up-hooker who has to look after 3 children on her own. I like the whole 'manipulating Connor' thing, but we all know this heel turn won't last... And they sacrificed the beast cause of her... They totally blew their wad there... Not only did they sacrifice the Beast for her, they put him over Wolfram and Hart, who have been big Angel villians forever. All just to put over Cordy, who we all know has to turn face again? Destroying two uber-villians doesn't exactly leave them with anyone to fight next season. Which they might have done on purpose, since Angel airing next season isn't a certainty, IIRC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Spoiler (Highlight to Read): EXACTLY! They built up Wolfram and Heart since the first episode and the beast annihilated them... Great build up for the beast - he was unstoppable - he actually had me wondering "what in gods name will AI do to beat him". Then we get Cordy making the beast her bitch and then Angelus killing him rather easily. And THEN Angelus turns back into Angel and we know Cordy will turn face again and then we're left with nothing (ok, something shows up after but I am not diggin it...stupid spoilers..) Wolfram & Hart have to come back in a BIG WAY - assuming they can now that the beast is dead - any suggestons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Niiiiiice ep! "Dude, you saved a puppy!" Willow's appearance was class, and it looks like Faith's getting back to Sunnydale earlier than I had expected. Hooyeah, master chief...now, hopefully they'll wrap up this Evil Cordy nonsense soon... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I hate using wrestling terms for non-wrestling things. It's a pet-peeve of mine. Oh well, at least we get Faith back in Sunnydale. BTW, I still think Cordy is hot. If she just had her dark hair back... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Steve J. Rogers Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Okay, not in a I'm dying to know way, but what happend after Faith and Angel walked back into the lobby? The feed here in the East cut off as Gunn was talking down to Connor about nearly dusting Angel. Any Willow interaction? A Willow sendoff? Did Angel hint that he might be heading that way come May? And what was the preview for next week (assuming programing is back to normal) Steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cavi Report post Posted March 20, 2003 An enjoyable ep for sure. Haha @ Angel putting on "Mandy" at the diner and mentioning the Manilow concerts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I hate using wrestling terms for non-wrestling things. It's a pet-peeve of mine. Dude, is that a work or a shoot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cavi Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Okay, not in a I'm dying to know way, but what happend after Faith and Angel walked back into the lobby? The feed here in the East cut off as Gunn was talking down to Connor about nearly dusting Angel. Any Willow interaction? A Willow sendoff? Did Angel hint that he might be heading that way come May? And what was the preview for next week (assuming programing is back to normal) Steve Faith and Willow basically said their goodbyes. They are returning to Sunnydale together. After those two left, Cordy came down the lobby stairs and said how they may want to save the speech about the worst being behind them for later, as she showed them for the first time that she was pregnant. Preview for next week was quite short. Hyped up the Angel crew finding out more about Cordy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LaParkaMarka Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I hate using wrestling terms for non-wrestling things. It's a pet-peeve of mine. Dude, is that a work or a shoot? *marks out for Rudo* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 The bad thing about Angel on Canadian TV is that we don't get the previews. LaParkaMarka, lemme tell you something, you're a good worker and that's no kayfabe.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Dude, is that a work or a shoot? A shoot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I missed the first 15 minutes....can someone tell me what the fuck was going on!? I was so confused! Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Faith had injected herself with some kind of poison (they mentioned it in the show, I forget the name). When Angelus bit her he ended up passing out -as did faith. The vampirism along with the poison created a psychic link between the two where Faith and Angelus were in Angels mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=14757 What does TV Guide say? Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Willow (Alyson Hannigan) heads to L.A. in hopes of working her magic to restore Angel's soul. After drinking Faith's spiked blood, Angelus (David Boreanaz) lies shackled and unconscious at the hotel. But his rest is anything but peaceful as his drug-addled mind presents him with disturbing memories – of Angel's good deeds. Also along for his strange trip is Faith (Eliza Dushku), who's clinging to life after her violent showdown with Angel's evil alter ego. As the two struggle with their flashbacks, the gang confers with Willow, who has come from Sunnydale at Fred's behest. The witch, who was able to re-ensoul Angel once before, may be their only hope. "Faith's spiked blood?" Girlfriend has some incredible precogniton! Well, she is a Slayer. After the drug begins to take effect on Angelus, we flash back a couple minutes to see Faith inject herself with a syringe from the demon bar while Angelus is distracted by Wesley and his big manly gun. The drug, by the way, is called Orpheus, and it's a supernatural opiate. Lorne's seen it in action and is gravely concerned for Faith's life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fazzle Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Well, I knew it was coming eventually, but that doesn't mean I have to LIKE the fact that Angelus is gone and Angel's back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Faith had injected herself with some kind of poison (they mentioned it in the show, I forget the name). When Angelus bit her he ended up passing out -as did faith. The vampirism along with the poison created a psychic link between the two where Faith and Angelus were in Angels mind. It was a mystic drug. Magical. That's how it created the link between Angelus and Faith. The whole plan was to have Angel bite Faith in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Well if you want to get detailed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Can I just say that "Orpheus" was a great name for this episode? Father/son and all, representations of hell...thumbs up. Now that the nostalgia power of Angelus and Faith is off of Angel, I wonder if the rest of the season can hold up. I only tuned in after the Rain of Fire and have been quite pleased so far, but I'm wondering if Evil Cordy can carry the rest of the season... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I am sure that this season can carry on. I just started watching this season when Faith came back. Well, it was right after I watched Angel season 1, so I had to see what's going on now. Anyway, this episode rocked, MUCH better than last week. Everything was just clicking, but I am going to miss Angelus. In EW, David himself said that he is going to miss playing Angelus. It is such a cool character, that it could carry a show on its own. When Faith is on Buffy again, I am going to mark out like a 9 year old seeing Hogan drop a leg on Sgt. Slaughter. I can't see Buffy having a bad episode for the rest of the season. Even though Joss won't be writing each episode, his hands will be all over them to make sure they kick ass. And I am sure the same goes for Angel. Just think if Firefly was still around, each season might not be as good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I read the spoilers for the rest of the season... It doesn't look to promising. (for the love of god don't look at what's posted below - UBERSPOILAGE! Only the stupid should enter! Details on the rest of the season... Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Next Eps:Players After discovering that Cordelia is pregnant, the gang research what type of demon the offspring could be. Meanwhile, Gunn helps Gwen rescue a girl named Lisa from a posh house party, but realises that he has been tricked when L.I.S.A. turns out to be Gwen's latest stolen item. Episode After that: Inside Out Desperate to find out why Cordelia has turned to the dark side, Angel goes to demon Skip for answers. Forcing the truth out of him, Angel learns that all that's transpired; Connor's birth, Cordelia's ascension to the higher plane, Angel turning into Angelus and Cordelia's pregnancy, were all a part of a higher being's plan to create something even more powerful than itself. Meanwhile, Cordelia and Connor go into hiding in order to protect their unborn child. After Cordelia feeds Connor a few lies, he is forced to make a decision, which leads him to a confrontation with his dead mother. Shiny Happy People A young woman named Jasmine arrives in Los Angeles. She needs help destroying the extra demons that have been surfacing since the darkness came. She tells the gang that if they want Cordelia to wake up, they will need to help her. They follow her around town, where everyone appears to be kneeling before her and praising her. One man named John recognises Jasmine as not being as good as she claims and attacks her. Angel viciously intervenes and beats him within an inch of his life. A week later, Fred visits John in Psychiatric hospital. He tells her that it is Angel's mission to destroy the being. Fred rushes back to the hotel, which is full of people worshipping Jasmine. She tells Wesley about John's suspicions, but he and the rest of the gang have been brainwashed by Jasmine. As Fred leaves, Wesley tells Angel and Jasmine what she said. They prepare to eliminate her, as she is now a threat. Magic Bullet Fred is now hiding out at a motel. She visits a man at a bookstore about the current hypnosis in Los Angeles, but he has also been affected. Meanwhile, everyone is looking for Fred. Jasmine knows that she is at the motel, so Fred retreats to a small cave with a demon. Back at the hotel, there is a large crowd. Lorne sets up an open-mic stage where Angel and Connor sing 'Mandy' for Jasmine. The demon in Fred's cave attacks her, so Fred kills it with a hatchet. She returns to the bookstore where she is challenged by some of Jasmine's followers. <episode 20> -In the teaser, Connor and Angel fight. Angel pummels Connor in the face. His fists are left bloody. -Apparently Angel, Wes, Lorne, and Gunn have now all joined up with Fred and no longer are worshipping Jasmine. Act 2 begins with them in the sewers, being surrounded by a gang of teenage kids. The kids have nail studded baseball bats and spears. The kids are threatening them, especially Lorne. Gunn struggles with one of the kids, who recognizes his name. Gunn knows the kid. -There's a strange wailing sound. There's something in the tunnel. -Back at the hotel, Connor cautiously enters Cordy's room and sees Jasmine seated across from Cordy's bed. -Connor starts to apologize to Cordy for something, but then looks down and sees her bed is empty. -Jasmine tells Connor that Cordelia's blood is dangerous and that the hate could spread. Cordelia is now where Jasmine wants her to be. -Jasmine comforts Connor, then gets him to follow her. She's taking him somewhere. -Angel and the others go with the kids to their stronghold in the sewers. The wailing continues. -There's some sort of creature there that killed the brother of one of the kids. The kids are refugees and orphans from the craziness happening in LA. -The gang goes out hunting the monster terrorizing the kids. -Wes gets separated from the group, and runs into the monster. The monster says he loved her. His kind loved her before everyone else, and built temples to her. He's rather angry that they had the audacity to name her Jasmine. -Wes asks how the monster defines love, and the monster tells him that love is sacrifice. -Wes sees that the monster has assembled a huge sphere made out of corpses. -One of the kids stops Angel from going to help Wes. -Wes also sees a strange glowing orb set in bone in the monster's lair. Wes continues to talk to the monster as the monster works on the sphere. -One of the corpses turns out to be a vampire and wakes up. -The kids discover Angel is a vampire. Matthew (the kids' leader) has vamp issues since his family was murdered by vamps. -Wes continues talking to the monster, uncovering that Jasmine has a real, secret name that has power over her. -Angel and the others finally reach Wes and the monster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Oh, there are like 2 or 3 more eps. left... So it's not the rest of the season... I also was wrong, it does look promising. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Shit shit shit shit shit... I really gotta stop reading these spoilers *read buffy spoilers* Tis a good day to be a fan of both shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Oh, there are like 2 or 3 more eps. left... So it's not the rest of the season... I also was wrong, it does look promising. Then what were all those spoilers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Rudo is having conversations with himself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Preview for April 2nd "Inside Out" Spoiler (Highlight to Read): Two distinct portraits of parenting are revealed as Cordelia plots to protect her pregnancy and Connor finally meets his mother, Darla (Julie Benz). The gang has determined the location of the Beast's master, but Connor and Cordelia have gone into hiding to keep their evil offspring safe. The cunning mother-to-be plays on Connor's vulnerability, convincing him that their friends are out to kill their child — just as they were planning to murder Connor before he was born. To expedite the birth process before they're discovered, Cordy makes a murderous request that leads Connor to a moral crossroads — and elicits a ghostly visit from Darla. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Then what were all those spoilers? I mean, there are two or three eps AFTER the spoilers that haven't been posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Where do you get the spoilers from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Couldn't Bush wait an extra 5 minutes? I was yelling & giving major heat to the WB11 news team. Anyway, AICN put up a transcript of what we missed: FAITH: Well, that vice is plenty versa. I even start, it's only gonna lead to hugging and-- ANGEL: No. We can't have that. FAITH: No. [Laughs] Angel and Faith re-enter the hotel. CONNOR: All right, I get it. I messed up. FAITH: Hey, cheer up, punk. That just makes you one of us. GUNN: You headed out? FAITH: Hey, no tears, big guy. GUNN: Nah, I'm good. I just wish I could've seen you kickin' the crap outta junior here. FAITH: It was pretty funny. Both laugh. FAITH: Wes. WES: Faith. FAITH: See? Brits know how to say good-bye. Angel here wanted to hug. ANGEL: No, I didn't. FAITH: You ran a good show. GUNN (good-naturedly): Yeah, sit back and let the girl do all the heavy liftin'. WES: That's pretty much it. Willow and Fred enter the lobby from the office. FRED: I think that volume's outdated. Uh, you'd know better than me, but there's some interesting stuff about hellmouth. Might help. WILLOW: This is great. FRED: I have to say, someday I'd love to bend your ear about the pergamum codex. I -I think some of the really obscure passages are actually latin translated from a demonic tongue, and they're kind of a hoot. [Laughs] All this stuff about bacchanals and spells, and - actually I think it's probably funnier in Latin. You know how that is sometimes. [Laughs] WILLOW: I'm seeing someone. FAITH: Time goes by, Will. WILLOW: Ok. Good. Wagons west. See you guys. ANGEL: Willow. FAITH: He's gonna tell you how much he owes you. WILLOW: Oh, don't mention it. I got a slayer out of the deal, so we're even steven. (Willow hugs Angel.) I'll... tell Buffy you said hi. ANGEL: Good. Thanks. WILLOW: Oh, um, next time you guys resurrect Angelus, call me first, OK? Willow and Faith exit the building. ANGEL: Ahem. So we're back. WES: It would seem. ANGEL: Look, I know things have been, uh-- Cordy dramatically descends the lobby staircase. All look up. CORDELIA: Sorry, Angel... but if this is the speech about how the worst is behind us... [Cordelia sighs] You may wanna save it for later. Cordy bares her gigantor belly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted March 20, 2003 FRED: I think that volume's outdated. Uh, you'd know better than me, but there's some interesting stuff about hellmouth. Might help. mmmmhello... any thoughts? (<-- Is using "time goes by" from now on) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
