Fabolous To Appear WrestleMania XIX

[Guest ant_7000]

OK, im late and all. I listen to rap and know who Fabolous is or I like to call him "The Throwback King." I heard Cena is coming out with a legit rap album, so it could help him if they seriously battle and he won. Fab to me is garbage, I don't mind his Club Banger joints when im at the club, I wouldn't listen to him if at home. He did have a tight song off the NBA Live 2003 soundtrack the best that I've heard from him. But if Fab loses this battle it will hurt his cred that is already not good, Hip Hop heads will clown him for losing to a white wrestler if they actually battle for real.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Nas has flow, Nas has rythym, but he lacks content.

LOL. Now I've heard everything.

I'm sorry but were you trying to make a comment?

[Guest papacita]

Nas has flow, Nas has rythym, but he lacks content.

Good lord...

 

Don't mean to deviate from the topic, but Nas is arguably the best lyricist out there right now. He's got good flow, IMO he's the best storyteller out there (even when he was in the bling bling stage, his stories were deep). If you can say that Nas lacks content, I'd like to see your idea of a rapper that doesn't.

[Guest Banky]

It is important to have all of those aspect in the music all of the time. Isn't that part of hip hop? A truly good MC can do all of that, and transform it into a balanced record with good flow, intelligence, and a witty play on words.

 

Ha. Not all rap is the same. Diff'rent strokes for different folks but not every rapper is that way nor does every rap fan wanna hear the same type of rap from every rapper. I imagine it's the same in ANY genre of music. Not every artists holds themselves to the highest level of creativity and yet they still have fans. That's how it SHOULD be. I don't want everyone sounding the same.

Having good flow, with a good beat, and intelligent lyrics doesn't make it all the same. There can be many many many different variations of that.

[Guest ant_7000]

The only thing I don't like about Nas is his contradictions. He is a good lyricist and creative. (ie Rewind and Book of Rhymes) When Nas is focus he's the best in the game.

[Guest TheGame2705]

The only story Nas tells is that he has a tattoo across the belly, thinks he's Jesus, and that he's cool with Pac and Biggie.

[Guest papacita]

The only story Nas tells is that he has a tattoo across the belly, thinks he's Jesus, and that he's cool with Pac and Biggie.

Have you actually listened to a Nas album????

[Guest Army Eye]

Nas has flow, Nas has rythym, but he lacks content.

LOL. Now I've heard everything.

I'm sorry but were you trying to make a comment?

Yeah. What you said was ludicrous.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

Wow. Never have I heard so much ignorance towards the genre of hiphop in one place before. And I LIVE IN WEST VIRGINIA. That says alot about most of you guys.

 

(Side note: There are alot of rednecks/rasicsts/ignorant fucks in WV, but there are some cool motherfuckers here also. Myself, and a few of my boys are lyricists ourselves, and damn near everybody I know (including most rednecks) has heard of Fabolous. Fuck, even my mom has heard of the dude.)

 

The only peeps in here who seem to have a clue about hip hop are CJ and papacita.

 

Let me put this into perspective. You know how you go to a message board full of marks talking about wrestling, and they say ingnorant shit constantly, and then there are two or three smarks there trying to point out actual things about the sport?

 

That's this thread. Substitute the marks with most of you, and the few smarks with CJ and Papacita, and my analogy is complete.

 

If you don't like rap/hip hop, then fine. That's your opinion, but please don't try to discuss it like you know what your talking about. It just makes you seem ignorant.

 

As for most hip hop heads not liking other forms of music; that's fucking dumb as well. I have cds ranging from Staind to Prince to Motley Crue to Red Hot Chilli Peppers to Van Halen to Al Green to BB King to Joe Cocker to Nirvana to .....you get the point, I'm sure.

 

And in my experience, most true-to-heart hip hop heads have a wide variety of music in thier library.

 

*sigh* I think that pretty much covers everything I wanted to say.

 

Oh yeah!

 

CENA HAZ NO SKILLZ!!!LOL OMG ROTFLNOAOMF!!!!

 

[Guest Vitamin X]

I don't think people here are trying to discuss hiphop and its credibility or hnow good or bad it is or maybe, rather than the fact that a couple people like CJ, Flyboy, and papacita are standing up for their (seemingly) preferred genre of music against what they are deeming to be attacks, and what angers me is that they point out that "it's because they're black", and merely everyone else here is trying to get them to see their point of view, and all of a sudden this has become some sort of a hiphop discussion thread.

 

why can't we all just get along? and where's the love for da Brotha Lynch from the rap guys?!

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

If they want to bring in a rap act, I say get Vanilla Ice. Everyone knows who he is, and he and Cena rap on about the same level.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

If they want to bring in a rap act, I say get Vanilla Ice. Everyone knows who he is, and he and Cena rap on about the same level.

It's funny cause it's true!

[Guest Vitamin X]

Cena's gimmick at very first was imitating Vanilla Ice, then he sort of evolved it into beign a street "thug", wasn't it?

[Guest Crucifixio Jones]

But if Fab loses this battle it will hurt his cred that is already not good, Hip Hop heads will clown him for losing to a white wrestler if they actually battle for real.

 

That's just it. Fab will not lose if the battle is for real.

[Guest Flyboy]

As for most hip hop heads not liking other forms of music; that's fucking dumb as well. I have cds ranging from Staind to Prince to Motley Crue to Red Hot Chilli Peppers to Van Halen to Al Green to BB King to Joe Cocker to Nirvana to .....you get the point, I'm sure.

I know this part of your post isn't aimed at me, but right now in my stereo is:

 

Fiona Apple - Tidal/When The Pawn...

50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Tryin'

Jessica Simpson/Mandy Moore - The Best of Simpson/Moore

[Guest geniusMoment]

I remember wrestlemania 2000 when that rapper dude intoduced Godfather and the crowd didn't give a shit. They cut off his music and he still kept on going which was absolutly hilarious. As for calling someone racist just because they don't know who Fabolous is and don't think it will sell, well that is complete bullshit. I will admit I no nothing about rap and therefore have no clue who this guy is but I can tell you the crowd won't break out in huge cheers when he makes his way down the aisle. Why? Because virtually every musical act that has ever performed at wrestling events has been greeted with boos or apathy.

[Guest bravesfan]

I remember wrestlemania 2000 when that rapper dude intoduced Godfather and the crowd didn't give a shit. They cut off his music and he still kept on going which was absolutly hilarious. As for calling someone racist just because they don't know who Fabolous is and don't think it will sell, well that is complete bullshit. I will admit I no nothing about rap and therefore have no clue who this guy is but I can tell you the crowd won't break out in huge cheers when he makes his way down the aisle. Why? Because virtually every musical act that has ever performed at wrestling events has been greeted with boos or apathy.

 

Motorhead got a huge pop at the end of "The Game" at Wrestlemania X-7, but that's the only instance I can think of.

 

 

Onto the subject at hand....it's pretty surprising on this board, that alot of the posters have not heard of Fabolous. It's not a matter of your personal tastes, which I won't touch upon, but he's beyond the stigma of "semi-famous rapper". He's already signed a few endorsement deals (one with Reebok), shilled for last summer's motion picture Barbershop (with the hit song "Trade It All, Pt. 2") and has had his first 2 albums hit #1 on Billboard.

 

 

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I'm too lazy to quote whoever stated that Nas argument, but....

 

NAS LACKS CONTENT?!?

 

That's it...NOW, I've heard everything.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

Hmmm, back on topic...

 

This whole debate seems tohave started over whether fabolous is a suitable guest for Wrestlemania. Personally i like rap. I listen to Outkast, Goodie Mob, and the whole DF crew. I like Jay-Z, Nelly, Eminem and a load of other mainstream acts. I like Wu-Tang, PE, NWA and other old skool stuff. I think anything Pharrell touches is gold. However I've never heard of Fabolous. It's not cause i don't go out. It's not cause i don't listen to popular radio, or watch MTV or like good music. It's not even cause i'm white (Though i'm guilty of all the above).

 

It's cause i'm not American.

 

It seems to me hardly anyone outside the states has heard of fabolous. We dont get yor adverts, and music takes a while to get here. It seems that this year, what the world is watching is a rapper and two ropey bints that hardly anyone outside North America has heard of. And Limp Bizkit. Yay. That'll turn WWE into a global company Vince.

 

Aside from this, fabolous may pop a few sales, especially in the hardcore rap/muso community. But whats the point where 90% of your performers from minorities are stereotypes? And it certainly wont do the type of business Snoop would do. If GGW could get him, why not WM?

 

Discuss

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Who the Hell is Fabolous?

 

Wait.... I really don't want or care to know.

 

Rap is crap and so is Cena.

 

Carry on.....

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Anyway, I don't think AS means to sound as ignorant as he does all the time, he just can't help it. I agree with him that this is a waste of everyone's time, it'll be even more depressing when the guy dies a death in front of thousands and thousands of people but at least it involves a wrestler with fine mic skills. I'd rather see this than Limp 'piss break' Bizkit. Though if Vanilla Ice ran in, i think that would get a bigger reaction.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Wow. Never have I heard so much ignorance towards the genre of hiphop in one place before. And I LIVE IN WEST VIRGINIA. That says alot about most of you guys.

 

(Side note: There are alot of rednecks/rasicsts/ignorant fucks in WV, but there are some cool motherfuckers here also. Myself, and a few of my boys are lyricists ourselves, and damn near everybody I know (including most rednecks) has heard of Fabolous. Fuck, even my mom has heard of the dude.)

 

The only peeps in here who seem to have a clue about hip hop are CJ and papacita.

 

Let me put this into perspective. You know how you go to a message board full of marks talking about wrestling, and they say ingnorant shit constantly, and then there are two or three smarks there trying to point out actual things about the sport?

 

That's this thread. Substitute the marks with most of you, and the few smarks with CJ and Papacita, and my analogy is complete.

 

If you don't like rap/hip hop, then fine. That's your opinion, but please don't try to discuss it like you know what your talking about. It just makes you seem ignorant.

 

As for most hip hop heads not liking other forms of music; that's fucking dumb as well. I have cds ranging from Staind to Prince to Motley Crue to Red Hot Chilli Peppers to Van Halen to Al Green to BB King to Joe Cocker to Nirvana to .....you get the point, I'm sure.

 

And in my experience, most true-to-heart hip hop heads have a wide variety of music in thier library.

 

*sigh* I think that pretty much covers everything I wanted to say.

 

Oh yeah!

 

CENA HAZ NO SKILLZ!!!LOL OMG ROTFLNOAOMF!!!!

 

I'm sorry so I was just forgotten and was it all because of the Nas comment? The dude is good but to say you can walk away from his songs with something other than the message of black power is crazy.

[Guest notJames]

Does anyone remember how Master P got involved with wCw during their waning days? Or the whole KISS/Demon thing?

 

Does anyone want to remember that?

 

Why the fuck can't WW_ learn from those mistakes?

 

Fuck music acts and celebrities on wrestling shows. Especially the biggest wrestling show of the year. Mainstream press is one thing when wrestling is on the happy end of the fad spectrum. But this is 2003. Wrestling has fallen off the radar of "What's Hot", and Vince and Co. need to realize this before they pump even more money into losing ventures.

 

Rap, metal, country, hip hop… it doesn't matter. Just have one music act do the National Anthems (I hope they include Canada's considering the number of Canucks on the roster) and call it a night. When one of your more popular wrestlers is relegated to Heat Hell because Vince wants to cash in on the MTV demographic, there is something very very wrong here.

 

And not for nothing, but I hate when discussions about music, expecially hip hop, more often than not devolve into a black v. white thing. It's petty and ignorant, because all music, whether "good" or "bad", should transcend stupid racist stereotyping, especially hip hop, which has made more in-roads into the white middle class than many on both sides of the fence would care to admit. Consider groups like Onyx, Cypress Hill, Run DMC, Public Enemy and Ice-T, who have used a variety of predominantly-white rock elements in many of their songs. And then you have your Limp Bizkits and Linkin Parks who've made a handsome living off of their rock/rap hybrid styles.

 

I hope this discussion, no matter how far it goes, stays on topic and doesn't stratify this forum's population any more than it already has.

[Guest Goodear]

I also have no clue who this guy is. Granted I'm not a big music fan or anything, but having never even hearing the name is probably not a good sign as far as this guy's mainstream exposure. Thats the problem with this promotion. Not that he's not a good rapper (because I'm certainly not able to make that case), but that the most likely result of his entrance and performance is going to be widespread apathy amoungst the live crowd.

[Guest benoitrulz4life]

Personally, I think they need to get Krayzie Bone on to destroy them both.

 

That's the problem with rap, though. It was more critically appreciated when it focused on violence, misogyny, and bigotry, than it is now that it focuses more on money, clothes, and big booties. Sure, guys like Eazy-E and Master P took the gangsta style to such an extreme that it became almost comical, but rappers seemed to have more passion in the past than they do now. That's why DMX was such a kick in the ass to everybody in '98.

 

And before anyone says anything, yes, bigotry. Rappers disliked gays and immigrants just as much as your average "next-door trailer trash neighbor."

[Guest mach7]

Are CJ, papa, and I the only ones to listen to rap in this thread?

 

*looks around*

 

Guess so.

*raises hand* I'd like to see Blackalicious go up against Cena. He'd outclass Johnny C-Note on so many levels.

[Guest mach7]

He serves NO point. At least the tramps will have a "match." This is a guy, who MAYBE 20% of the arena knows, is wasting everyone's time with God damn rap.

This coming from the guy with an Aerosmith logo in his sig.

 

Nuff said.

 

BTW, you might want to stop contradicting yourself. Saying it's okay to have the Miller Lite Girls on the show, but not Fabolous makes no sense. Fabolous is having an actual SEGMENT with a WRESTLER to get him some HEAT. The Miller Lite Chicks segment will most likely be them cat-fighting while Lawler hoots and hollars.

 

I'm ashamed that you're a fellow Angle fan...

[Guest mach7]

Why do people keep pretending that Anglesault is supporting the cat fight girls?

 

For fucks sake can no one read?

 

The first thing he did was blast the WWE for employing the whores, Limp Bizkit and this guywhile WRESTLERS aren't WRESTLING in their place.

 

Then he said he hates the rap battle more than the cat fight...and suddenly he's president of the Miller Light girls fan club.

 

It's really hard to respect people's opinions when they can't even fucking read.

At least the tramps will have a "match."

 

Looks like he's advocating it to me...

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

WM17-Motorhead

WM18-Drowning Pool and Saliva

WM19-Limp Bizkit and Fabolous

Sadly, out of three Motorhead's performance sucked the most ass.

[Guest mach7]

But if Fab loses this battle it will hurt his cred that is already not good, Hip Hop heads will clown him for losing to a white wrestler if they actually battle for real.

 

That's just it. Fab will not lose if the battle is for real.

-Fab will win.

-Cena will get all pissy, and like a real heel should, jump him and beat him up.

 

The heel always loses and beats up the winner in these sorts of angles.

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

For the record, I've never seen or heard of the Miller Catfight Girls aside from WWE either. Although I think one of them was in the (no)HLA skit with Stephanie McMahon at a ppv several months ago.