The One And Only Smackdown Spoiler Thread

[Guest ISportsFan]

Why is it WWE's fault that Rhyno-Benoit sucked?

 

Go away and masturbate to the Royal Rumble.

If it sucked, that's fine.

 

But we don't know it sucked. As it was pointed out earlier, some spoilers said that Benoit/Haas has "tons of rest holds," but it was a good match when we (or at least I) saw it.

 

After we watch the match on Thursday, then we can determine whether it sucked or not. Don't base all of your opinions on the spoiler-dudes.

 

Good God, man, shut up.

 

And by the way, please explain to me how Benoit sucked it up in the SummerSlam match with RVD. Because that's what you're implying.

 

Jason

 

Edit: Adding the "shut up" quote.

[King Cucaracha 0]

See...it CAN'T be Benoit's fault. So I guess his match at Armageddon was boring because Eddie Guerrero is over-hyped. And the same for his Summerslam match with RVD.

Eddy's match with Benoit was around ****, so it was anything but boring.

 

RVD's SummerSlam match with Benoit was waiting to be a ****1/4 classic until all the smarks forgot that RVD can't sell for his life. Benoit tried his darndest, and he succeeded. RVD didn't try at all, and he succeeded at sucking in that match. I contend that if RVD tried to sell in that match and made it epic (like it could have been), RVD would not be in the spot he's in right now.

 

Of course, HHH would have still moved him down the card. But, I don't think he would be near the level he's at now if that match worked. And that was all RVD's fault.

 

Jason

The match at Armageddon, in my opinion, was not 4 stars. Just my opinion...maybe I expected too much, but I found it quite boring. It had rest holds and the crowd were dead most of the way through it. I didn't say it was a BAD match...maybe broing is the wrong word. It just didn't get you up on your feet cheering or marking out.

 

As far as Summerslam goes, I find it funny that you thought the match wasn't great, and that you've proved my point at the same time. I COULDN'T have been Benoit's fault, it was RVD's. Seriously, the match didn't click. I didn't like it. Simple as that.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I enjoyed the match with Benoit-RVD at Summerslam and if I was to use your Frosty The Snowman star rating, it was a **** star match.

 

To imply that RVD didn't try is bullshit. Of course he tried. Just because he didn't hold his shoulder every 5 seconds when you had your calculator in one hand checking up on him is, in my eyes, irrelevant. I enjoyed the match. You say it sucked. Why? Cos Scott Keith told you so and don't try denying it.

 

The match maybe had rest-holds because both men are burned out, not because those evil bookers told them to do it.

 

And whenever Benoit has a good match, do the writers ever get a shred of credit from you and your flock? No.

 

Goodnight.

[Guest wildpegasus]

"why is it WWE's fault that Benoit/Rhyno sucked?"

 

First of all, I'm saying that it isn't going to suck. However the WWE's style is limiting. I'd say the match quality is also limited from Benoit not being the heel here.Benoit has probably the most moves taken away from him in the roster. He's even hitting the german at a lesser angle now making it more like a large bodyslam. If this match happened anywhere else the people predicting it will suck would be going ga-ga over it because of the less restrictions on it.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

He's hitting the german/headbutt less because his necked is fucked not because of this phantom WWE style~.

 

Benoit only has a year left.

[Guest ISportsFan]

As far as Summerslam goes, I find it funny that you thought the match wasn't great, and that you've proved my point at the same time. I COULDN'T have been Benoit's fault, it was RVD's. Seriously, the match didn't click. I didn't like it. Simple as that.

I'm seriously unsure here. Are you being sarcastic? Don't take that as a flame or anything, I'm just really bad at picking things like that up online.

 

I can think of two things that you might be saying. I'll come up with responses to both of them.

 

1) It's the online idiots that always blame Benoit's opponent instead of him, because BENOIT RULZ~!

 

In that case, Benoit has been at fault in some cases. For instance, over this time when he's been depushed for a little bit since No Way Out he's been kinda lazy. He's relied on "German suplex, diving headbutt, chops, chops, chops, crossface" for the most part. That's just one example. But, in my opinion, RVD sucked it up in a match that should have been excellent.

 

2) Benoit is never at fault, and I proved your point.

 

Well, that's not what I was trying to say anyway. I was just saying that those 2 cases were not Benoit's fault, including a match that you thought was not inspiring and I thought was. That's all.

 

Jason

[Guest ISportsFan]

I enjoyed the match with Benoit-RVD at Summerslam and if I was to use your Frosty The Snowman star rating, it was a **** star match.

 

To imply that RVD didn't try is bullshit. Of course he tried. Just because he didn't hold his shoulder every 5 seconds when you had your calculator in one hand checking up on him is, in my eyes, irrelevant. I enjoyed the match. You say it sucked. Why? Cos Scott Keith told you so and don't try denying it.

 

The match maybe had rest-holds because both men are burned out, not because those evil bookers told them to do it.

 

And whenever Benoit has a good match, do the writers ever get a shred of credit from you and your flock? No.

 

Goodnight.

Saying that I'm a Scott Keith clone is probably the worst thing you can say. Not because he's stupid or anything, but because I have my own opinions and I can express them myself.

 

Did RVD try? I don't think so. It takes very little effort to hold your arm and pretend it hurts. He didn't do that. That's all he had to do for the match to be much better than it was.

 

If I remember correctly, I thought it was still the 2nd best match on the SummerSlam card (behind HBK/HHH and slightly ahead of Edge/Eddy, which also had a selling problem). But, it was not a **** match (in my opinion) because of the major logic gap RVD made me use with his selling.

 

I don't think I've ever blamed the writers for Benoit or others using rest holds. For the most part, though, Benoit never uses rest holds. He uses submission holds. There's a difference. In a submission hold, the story is being advanced. In rest holds, it's some random chinlock that has nothing to do with the rest of the match.

 

Blaming the writers for restholds is pathetic. That's why I don't do it. But, giving writers credit for a good match is just as stupid. The only thing they deserve is a "good job" for giving the match as much time as it deserves (which rarely happens). The road agents deserve credit when bad workers have good matches, but the great workers do their own thing in the ring.

 

Jason

[Guest Nevermortal]

Woohoo! London v. Matt Hardy!

[Guest ISportsFan]

Woohoo! London v. Matt Hardy!

Amen.

 

Jason

[Guest Anglesault]

Good to see that massive main event face push for Angle (where he does nothing but get beat up) continues its breakneck pace.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Shouldn't Angle's first match back have been more hyped?

And I think it's funny that when someone likes Benoit and dislikes a paticular match they are a Scott Keith clone. That man's opinion doesn't mean shit and that's probably one of the oldest insults in the book. It shows nothing but ignorance and stupidity on the part of the one using it.

[Guest Anglesault]

Shouldn't Angle's first match back have been more hyped?

Eventually you learn not to expect anything good.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

And I think it's funny that when someone likes Benoit and dislikes a paticular match they are a Scott Keith clone. That man's opinion doesn't mean shit and that's probably one of the oldest insults in the book. It shows nothing but ignorance and stupidity on the part of the one using it.

 

It doesn't because of a lot of the time it's true. "Oh, Matt Hardy should be getting a push, as should Christian" - all views reflected on this board despite the fact that both guys are, well, meh.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Christian is "meh" but Matt Hardy is 10x more entertaining than Hardy.

Maybe the reason so many people clamor for the push of these guys is b/c they are oh I dunno......entertained by them? And then we have jackasses like you who go on like "Oh a mass group of people likes this person. So I will dislike them to go against the grain and be cool and edgey!" I mean it's stupid. Why dislike something because so many people are entertained by it?

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

Smackdown -

 

Taker d. Nunzio. Afterwards the APA returned to save Taker from a heel beatdown. And apparently Bradshaw is BLONDE now.

 

Benoit d. Rhyno in a US Title Tournament match

 

Rey d. Kanyon

 

Angle d. Haas

 

Mr. Ass d. Jamie Noble

 

O'Haire d. Eddie

 

Brock d. Show by DQ

With those results, I'll probably be skipping the show and watching Circle of Friends.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Christian is "meh" but Matt Hardy is 10x more entertaining than Hardy.

Maybe the reason so many people clamor for the push of these guys is b/c they are oh I dunno......entertained by them? And then we have jackasses like you who go on like "Oh a mass group of people likes this person. So I will dislike them to go against the grain and be cool and edgey!" I mean it's stupid. Why dislike something because so many people are entertained by it?

 

Don't think so mate. I like loads of guys that are popular on this board, and also others like A-Train. So please review your statement.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yes but the fact is that a bunch of people like these guys. And just because they do does not mean that they are SK clones. Hell I bet half of this board is like me. Reads SK's reviews to see what he has to say but believes that he's an incompetent retard with a god complex and to much time on his hands.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Well, if you think like that, good for you. But there are people who are suspiciously Keith-like in their views.

 

I'll give everyone a week to think for themselves.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Christian is "meh" but Matt Hardy is 10x more entertaining than Hardy.

Maybe the reason so many people clamor for the push of these guys is b/c they are oh I dunno......entertained by them? And then we have jackasses like you who go on like "Oh a mass group of people likes this person. So I will dislike them to go against the grain and be cool and edgey!" I mean it's stupid. Why dislike something because so many people are entertained by it?

I personally would rather be 'edgey' and like who I want to like than be a smark sheep, hating the hosses and loving Benoit and Angle JUST because everyone else does.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

I've never really understood the occasional poster who mocks everyone for liking Benoit. I mean really, if you've seen a bunch of good Benoit matches, why would you not like Benoit? You can trash people for liking Hogan or Cena or something, but Benoit?

[Guest Choken One]

Yeah you bash benoit just equally as you can for Hogan, Cena or whoever the fuck.

 

 

Benoit isn't jesus Christ and has his weakness as well...

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Christian is "meh" but Matt Hardy is 10x more entertaining than Hardy.

Maybe the reason so many people clamor for the push of these guys is b/c they are oh I dunno......entertained by them? And then we have jackasses like you who go on like "Oh a mass group of people likes this person. So I will dislike them to go against the grain and be cool and edgey!" I mean it's stupid. Why dislike something because so many people are entertained by it?

I personally would rather be 'edgey' and like who I want to like than be a smark sheep, hating the hosses and loving Benoit and Angle JUST because everyone else does.

Umm......why are they a smark sheep? They like Benoit and Angle because THEY ARE ENTERTAINING and dislike hosses BECAUSE THEY ARE BORING.

I don't understand how that makes you a sheep. If anything it should tell you that they are entertaining and they are boring because so many people think so.

Hell I like some hosses. Kane comes to mind. I just don't like the incredibley boring ones like Show and Albert.

And I like who I like. Because I like them. I can't help it if everyone else does to. And I'm willing to bet 99% of these people are just like me. They like who they like because they do. Can't help it if everyone else does to.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I like Show, Kane and A-Train and you know what to do if you don't like that.

[Guest Choken One]

I like Kane...Show is an great Ambassador but A-Train can't be justified in anyway...

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I like Show, Kane and A-Train and you know what to do if you don't like that.

NOBODY SAID THAT YOU CAN'T LIKE THEM. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE DISLIKE THEM DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE SHARING SOME SORT OF SMARK MENTALITY. IT IS BECAUSE WE DISLIKE THEM JUST LIKE YOU LIKE THEM BECAUSE YOU LIKE THEM. GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I like Kane...Show is an great Ambassador but A-Train can't be justified in anyway...

Ambassador to what? Fast Food restraunts?

[Guest Choken One]

For the WWE...He is great on Talk Shows and has always been great for International Promotion.

 

Show is one of the best guys WWE has...

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I'm not thick and I'm not an occasional poster.

 

I like who I like, but too many people don't know what they like and are swept away by the tide of soiled underwear in the name of the staple Smark favourites.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

And how do you know this? Are you in there head reading there mind to see why they like this person? No you're not so get off of it.

And Choken you are right. Show is funny. I still think that he and Kevin Nash should never wrestle. Instead of a 5 minute Show or Nash match they should come out and do 5 minutes of stand-up.

[Guest Choken One]

Show yes...Nash was only funny when Hall was drunk...