LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 But shouldn't the "holy spirit" steer people away from that sort of thing? I mean, I hear Christians talk about SO many "non-christians" who still believe in Christ and whatnot, because they "don't understand the true meaning of the bible". How can so many people get it wrong, if this book is Divine? Well he did say narrow is the way and few are those who follow it. Maybe that's why he asks Christians to get off their lazy butts and go spread the word because so many will skew it. But do we do that? No a lot of us are lazy bums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Free Will? Good Lord. God gives you it, tempts you, and then sends you to hell for using it in a way that doesn't please him. That's one fucked up Supreme Being. Works for me, it sorts out those who are really in this for the long haul, and those who are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 But the very words are supposed to be divine! The BOOK is supposed to be divine. Christians all the time say they are 'drawn' to it, to Christ, as if it is an involuntary act. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Free Will? Good Lord. God gives you it, tempts you, and then sends you to hell for using it in a way that doesn't please him. That's one fucked up Supreme Being. Would you rather he made us mindless robots? And God does not tempt you. Satan is the one that wants the Bible to be skewed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Juice Report post Posted June 18, 2003 When I get to heaven, I hope God doesn't hold it against me for seeing clear flaws in his work. But God seems like a dick, so... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, Cause sinners are much more fun, oh darlin only the good die young..." No of course not. If God got pissed everytime someone had a question then we'd all be in trouble. The Psalms are full of doubts and questions. It's what helps us grow in knowledge. But the questions aren't ever answered. We're just told to have faith in that in a book which is, like RRR said, based in hearsay and very long-term memory and translations, that a man did all these miraculous things and rose from the dead, and we are supposed to have faith. Man I lived it my entire life, and I ain't buyin it anymore. For are many documents that are historical, which basicly prove the life of Jesus Christ, his miracles, and even his death and his rising from the dead. There is no doubt that Jesus lived and walked this planet teaching. But to say he died and rose from the dead is just obsurd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 LaParka, I had no idea you were so religious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 So really, 90-95% of the worlds population are in or are going to hell.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 When I get to heaven, I hope God doesn't hold it against me for seeing clear flaws in his work. But God seems like a dick, so... "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, Cause sinners are much more fun, oh darlin only the good die young..." No of course not. If God got pissed everytime someone had a question then we'd all be in trouble. The Psalms are full of doubts and questions. It's what helps us grow in knowledge. But the questions aren't ever answered. We're just told to have faith in that in a book which is, like RRR said, based in hearsay and very long-term memory and translations, that a man did all these miraculous things and rose from the dead, and we are supposed to have faith. Man I lived it my entire life, and I ain't buyin it anymore. For are many documents that are historical, which basicly prove the life of Jesus Christ, his miracles, and even his death and his rising from the dead. There is no doubt that Jesus lived and walked this planet teaching. But to say he died and rose from the dead is just obsurd. There are plenty of historical documents which actually support the event, along with a lot of the other stuff he did while here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 That's a little big of a number. We don't know who's going to hell. All we know is what we're asked to do and one of the things we're asked to do is to spread the word to as many people as possible. So frankly it's partly our fault if we sit on our lazy butts and don't get out there to spread it. Which scares me sometimes cause that could lower the number of people going to heaven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 God is the one who created the apple, God is the one who said "you can do anything here in this garden, but do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" and THEN he gave Man curiosity and KNEW that Man would take a bite. What the fuck do you call that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Juice Report post Posted June 18, 2003 There are plenty of historical documents which actually support the event, along with a lot of the other stuff he did while here. There is no historical evidence of the ressurection. I have researched these things. There is alot of speculation, but no eveidence. It goes back to faith again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 No, it is a very high number of people who are going to hell. Because even in Christianity you have a large number of people who aren't "true" Christians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Juice Report post Posted June 18, 2003 God is the one who created the apple, God is the one who said "you can do anything here in this garden, but do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" and THEN he gave Man curiosity and KNEW that Man would take a bite. What the fuck do you call that? I call that a very sadistic sense of humor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 There are plenty of historical documents which actually support the event, along with a lot of the other stuff he did while here. There is no historical evidence of the ressurection. I have researched these things. There is alot of speculation, but no eveidence. It goes back to faith again. I'm not going to harp on this, but yes there is. You just have to choose to accept the historical documents as proof or not. A few, who were actually there and there in that day and age, wrote pieces on the event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 God is the one who created the apple, God is the one who said "you can do anything here in this garden, but do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" and THEN he gave Man curiosity and KNEW that Man would take a bite. What the fuck do you call that? I call that giving man choice. The choice to live his life the way he chooses. God did not wave the apple in Adam's face and go nah nah nah nah. He gave specific, easy, orders and left the choice up to man. Just as he has done with us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Juice Report post Posted June 18, 2003 There are plenty of historical documents which actually support the event, along with a lot of the other stuff he did while here. There is no historical evidence of the ressurection. I have researched these things. There is alot of speculation, but no eveidence. It goes back to faith again. I'm not going to harp on this, but yes there is. You just have to choose to accept the historical documents as proof or not. A few, who were actually there and there in that day and age, wrote pieces on the event. Come on man those documents were mere speculation, stories passed down and such. No concrete evidence, anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 God is the one who created the apple, God is the one who said "you can do anything here in this garden, but do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" and THEN he gave Man curiosity and KNEW that Man would take a bite. What the fuck do you call that? First of all, it wasn't an apple, nowhere does it say that it was. God gave man free will, he gave them perfection, it was up to them what they decided to do. Satan however was in that Garden, he tempted man to sway in his favor, and for that, God punnished man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 How is it free will when God set it up for man to fail? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 It's not set up just to fail. It's set up to either pass or fail. The decision is up to us. That's why he offered a way out of failing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Fruit, whatever. Same situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Come on man those documents were mere speculation, stories passed down and such. No concrete evidence, anywhere. I've researced this also, for quite a few years, and there are historical documents from that day and age which actually speak of, explain, and give a bit of detailed information about his death and everything else. Most of these are even from people who were totally against Jesus and his followers. Again, you just have to choose to accept these writings or not, but they do exist and most historians even accept them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 How did God set it up for man to fail? He gave him specific instructions and man disobeyed. Is establishing a modern criminal justices sytem setting modern man up to fail. You have specific instructions on laws you must abide by. If you fail to do so, is it the fault of the higher authority? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 God created everything right? Including Satan (which is a character who has been 'misrepresented' in the bible), including the tree of knowledge, and including mans free will and curiosity. He also knew man would fail said test. Set-up-to-fail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I also don't believe that any "snake" was in the garden at all. Well, there more than likely was, but we didn't have any snake talking and hopping around on it's tail. Sorry, just a side note. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Czech Republic Report post Posted June 18, 2003 OK. What about the Book of Moromon. A whole testament that the "Christians" have convienantly forgotten about. Oh, come on. The Book of Mormon is bullshit. It's easy to forget about a book when it ISN'T WRITTEN UNTIL THE EARLY 19TH CENTURY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 The Modern Justice System didn't create you, nor did it create the desire in you to break the law. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 18, 2003 God created everything right? Including Satan (which is a character who has been 'misrepresented' in the bible), including the tree of knowledge, and including mans free will and curiosity. He also knew man would fail said test. Set-up-to-fail. He created even Satan with free will. God doesn't decide what happens to people in terms of decisions, he allows everyone to choose for theirself, and that's great if you ask me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Juice Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Come on man those documents were mere speculation, stories passed down and such. No concrete evidence, anywhere. I've researced this also, for quite a few years, and there are historical documents from that day and age which actually speak of, explain, and give a bit of detailed information about his death and everything else. Most of these are even from people who were totally against Jesus and his followers. Again, you just have to choose to accept these writings or not, but they do exist and most historians even accept them. Yeah, like I said it's faith. But from what I have read and researched a few years ago, I can say that faith is another way of explaining something away. IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 18, 2003 But God knows what you are going to do with that free will before you even know what to do with it. Gives you it anyways, and sets up circumstances where it will be tested. That's not Free Will, that's manipulation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 If he hadn't put things on the earth for man to choose instead of him it would be undercutting the free will from the beginning. Pretty much it would be giving man free will, but not giving him an alternative to choose...thus making free will useless. That is a thought process from me...doesn't mean I think that rock solidly....more thinking out loud really. See what you think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
