syxx2001 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 With the past two cage matches, the reason hasn't been just to throw in a random gimmick match but to keep interference out. In the past 2 or so matches involving Kazarian and Sabin, Sabin has won via a belt shot. Wouldn't it make sense if Watts announced that "tonight" there would be a ladder match to avoid Sabin using the belt for a cheap win? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 Yes. But I don't want a ladder match. Sabin and Kazarian are less ladder like people and more wrestling match like people. Plus...I don't want Sabin to lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 We just HAD a ladder match. Just make Sabin v. Kazarian a no-dq match and have both guys kill each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 That IS logical. I think they may go with that, but I'm with bps, I'd like Sabin to retain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 They'd have to be fools to give Kazarian the belt at this point unless they did a double turn or something to draw heat on him. He simply put is far from over as a babyface chasing the X title, much less actually deserving to get it because of that. The reaction wasnt there when he beat Sabin the first time, nor the second. I'd say just do the ladder match and have Sabin win and leave it at that. I'm fearing though instead they might vacate the X belt next week for that tournament coming up perhaps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 If they do vacate it, Michael Shane will be in it and win. When he started rounding up the band or whatever its called, he got heel heat. He could play a heel and get over by being a wannabe HBK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 He could play a heel and get over by being a wannabe HBK. Michael Shane IS a heel- He sucks as a face Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 Michael WAS a face in his first match. He turned heel last week I guess when he got the heel heat and started eliminating people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2003 Michael WAS a face in his first match. He turned heel last week I guess when he got the heel heat and started eliminating people. I know he was a face- cause TNA is stupid. Michael Shane is a natural asshole heel and should never ever attempt to play a face Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 The Champion was a heel. He was just a face by default. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Decadent Slacker Report post Posted August 11, 2003 My feelings on Frankie is that he can work a great match with the right guy, but he's fucking boring. He doesn't seem like a ladder guy (seems like after the Hardyz got over in the damn matches, LOTS of people think any cruisers + ladder =5*). Sabin might, but against someone who can pull it off. Just give them an I Quit match, let em go 15 minutes, have Sabin retain, & if Frankie gets a reaction afterwards, then consider dropping the belt. The issue with Shane isn't TNA being stupid, it's them wanting to bring him in an important match to make him special. Sabin was the heel because he's Sabin. Part of it was also most likely the "first appearance" reaction anyway. Besides, IF they make him face (which i doubt they would), he would be of at least some value since there's a lack of them, especially in the X division (Kazarian, Red when he's in town, Lynn off & on). So whatever. Tween him or something if they have to, but the heel is where he's at his best. Just like his famous relative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 He could play a heel and get over by being a wannabe HBK. Michael Shane IS a heel- He sucks as a face He also sucks as a wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astro101 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 No he doesn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 Actually he does. He relies too much on rest holds as transitions and it always slows down his matches. He's a great character and a terrific heel- but not a good worker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 Actually he does. He relies too much on rest holds as transitions and it always slows down his matches. He's a great character and a terrific heel- but not a good worker Its true. All his good matches were with Paul London, and most of them featured London bumping his ass off. Who could forget his match with CM Punk that killed the crowd at All Star Extravaganza because he HIT THE CHINLOCK every 2 minutes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 That match was killing me- Punk is trying his hardest to pull something out of this but Shane keeps resting. At least Revenge on the Prophecy Shane was able to keep the chinlocks to a minimum and Punk dragged something good out of him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 Have a ladder match, have Kazarian win it, but then have Sabin pull the "you never pinned me" card out on Kazarian. Then maybe start a double turn by Kazarian ducking a rematch, be a chickenshit champion, while Sabin goes face and chases him for a rematch. Feed Kazarian a few of the lowercard X guys (Jason Cross, Jimmy Rave, etc.) and then have the rematch where Sabin gets it back. Have Shane win the tourney as a heel, and feud he and Sabin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpikeFayeJettEdBebop 0 Report post Posted August 11, 2003 None of this is going to happen I don't think. I think they will just suspend the title untill the tournament. In Borash's column it says something about "This week the situation about the X Title belt will be disscussed" Actually its nothing like that but it has the same point. I think they will just suspend and wait. Then have Sabin vs. Kazarian in the first round of the tourny....OR the Final...although that would be really stupid in my oppinion/. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
