Guest Cerebus Report post Posted August 12, 2003 Article here. Well for the time being it seems this hasn't changed a whole lot...except showing that Hamas and Al Asqa are no longer part of the truce which means blood, blood, blood in the next few weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2003 I expected this after Israel's attacks on one of the groups last week. Let us hope they regain their heads... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2003 Those two Israelis killed probably won't. Damn those homicide bombers -- they're no better than our military... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2003 That's absurd, and I'm not condoning the suicide bombers. I'm simply hoping this doesn't escalate AGAIN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted August 13, 2003 I was simply bringing up a previous thread (I'm sure you remember it) -- I wasn't saying you were condoning them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 14, 2003 I was simply bringing up a previous thread (I'm sure you remember it) -- I wasn't saying you were condoning them... This is more of the same old-same old. Let Israel do whatever they want and it'll end it soon enough. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 Ah, it was getting so boring without my usually reliable suicide bombing. And I still love the people who think that fanatical factions are proper justification for genocide. Bless you all! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SideFXs Report post Posted August 14, 2003 I know the Israeli intelligence is the best in the world, but you gotta think that maybe Arafat and Erekat secretly turned over some of these Islamic Jihad splinter cells to Sharon, resulting in the 29 raids and arrest of 200 militants. To do that themselves, Arafat and Erikat would have been considered traitors. Both sides seem to want to continue peace talks and don't want to escalate the violence. It would be nice to see there is peace in that region, in my life time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted August 14, 2003 And I still love the people who think that fanatical factions are proper justification for genocide. Bless you all! Genocide? I'm guessing this is directed at Mike's comment, but think about it: What the hell does Israel have to gain from randomly killing people? If Israel wasn't told by the World to "Stop defending yourself, damn it!", they could fight and destroy these cells much more efficently instead of having to half-ass it the whole time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2003 Well, Mike's comment is the only representative post in this thread of a certain mindset that has popped up in these threads before that Palestinian people are all evil and can never be educated to something different than what they already get. I do not mind Israel kicking ass and taking names, but I don't like them being oppressive while they do it. I also do not like us giving them special treatment above our other allies. "Here, take this large lump sum of money and spend it on your.. Uh... People and culture. Yes, but don't spend it on guns or your military. 'Course, if you do, we aren't gonna bother to check and see, so here." So, Israel killing these cells = Fine by me, but it's not going to reduce violence in any way. Israel killing Arafat = Undecided, but Arafat will just become a martyr and and all of a sudden even Palestinians that don't like him will put a positive spin on him and see him as a reason to hate Israelis. Israel blasting tank shells everywhere and taking out innocents by the truckloads = No. There must be co-existance. Saying "We need to blast them all into pieces before they 'push us into the sea' first" is unacceptable. Note that I am not accusing Israel of taking that last option, but that there are some minds here who think they should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2003 Israel should kill Arafat and all of his worthless associates and cronies, then kill every terrorist they can find. Then they should bring a peace proposal to whatever's passing for leadership among the Palestinians at that point. There would be little choice but to sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zorin Industries 0 Report post Posted August 15, 2003 No,everybody seems to want to treat the Palestinians like a regular fighting force, which it is anything but. Killing Arafat and his ilk simply makes more martyrs for their cause, its not like a regular army where cutting off the head will cause the rest of the body to cease to function. After all it's easy to see what one person with a bomb can do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted August 16, 2003 Then they should bring a peace proposal to whatever's passing for leadership among the Palestinians at that point. There would be little choice but to sign. IMO talking as an armchair strategist, Israel should really learn how PsychOps works and start creating F.U.D (fear, uncertainty & doubt) in Arafat's ranks. The guy IS scum but killing him off makes Palestinians remember his image more fondly than they currently do. Make people want to get rid of Arafat and then propose a deal where the Palestinians finally get to stop being third-world citizens if they hand Arafat over to Israel for capture. After some upheaval and mutiny, he'll be turned over. Unfortunately, this will cause the terrorist cells to come out in full force to try and free him, but this "overwhelming force" strategy hasn't stopped them either. Those guys will simply have to be flushed out the hard way. I'm sure starting up a spy program is a lot harder than I made it sound here, but then again I doubt breaking the PLO's secret decoder rings or whatever is simple compared to what was going on during the Cold War. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted August 17, 2003 Well, Mike's comment is the only representative post in this thread of a certain mindset that has popped up in these threads before that Palestinian people are all evil and can never be educated to something different than what they already get. I do not mind Israel kicking ass and taking names, but I don't like them being oppressive while they do it. I also do not like us giving them special treatment above our other allies. "Here, take this large lump sum of money and spend it on your.. Uh... People and culture. Yes, but don't spend it on guns or your military. 'Course, if you do, we aren't gonna bother to check and see, so here." So, Israel killing these cells = Fine by me, but it's not going to reduce violence in any way. Israel killing Arafat = Undecided, but Arafat will just become a martyr and and all of a sudden even Palestinians that don't like him will put a positive spin on him and see him as a reason to hate Israelis. Israel blasting tank shells everywhere and taking out innocents by the truckloads = No. There must be co-existance. Saying "We need to blast them all into pieces before they 'push us into the sea' first" is unacceptable. Note that I am not accusing Israel of taking that last option, but that there are some minds here who think they should. Hmm, Israel should generate "fear" --- but SHOULDN'T be "oppressive"? How, precisely, do you suggest they pull off that trick? Israel deserves special support because they are our ONLY ally in that region and have a much more difficult time surviving than any other country on Earth. Supporting them is the most moral thing we could do. You want to put fear in those people? Take the leash off of Israel and let them instill a little fear. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted August 17, 2003 And I still love the people who think that fanatical factions are proper justification for genocide. Bless you all! Genocide? I'm guessing this is directed at Mike's comment, but think about it: What the hell does Israel have to gain from randomly killing people? If Israel wasn't told by the World to "Stop defending yourself, damn it!", they could fight and destroy these cells much more efficently instead of having to half-ass it the whole time. How many people REALLY give two shits about the Palestinians? Not many. For sure it ain't any of their Arab brothers. Palestine to them is only good for being the large and constant thorn in the side of the Jews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
