Train can wrestle, talk, and not injure someone

[Guest TheGame2705]

Besides everything I've listed and discussed about why A-Train would be a great asset to WWE and how he's a good wrestler right now and can only get better, he did a pretty good promo with Steph. Granted, it wasn't shocking or mind-blowing but it was passable for one of his few. If he tries to improve on his promo skills like he's been doing with his wrestling, he could be really good someday as long as the WWE fans stop holding themselves to a higher standard than a guy with a hairy back.

[Guest Choken One]

It's really WWE fault in the way they package him...

 

The Wardrobe doesn't sell him as a convincing heel but rather foil for a Comedy bit...

 

Put him back in Leather Jeans and the Black Tank and we're cooking

[KTID]

Theres nothing true in your entire argument.

 

Besides, the title doesn't even make sense!!!

[Guest BionicRedneck]

A-Train is still shit. I mean, yeah, he's better than Billy Gunn, I suppose.

[Lil' Bitch]

RVD is not a hoss!

[Guest myburninghammer]

To validate your claims, you better prove A-Train is more worthy than anyone on the Smackdown roster of his spot...can you do that?

[LaParkaYourCar]

A-Train is a decent wrestler, but that's because he looks good compared to all the other hosses.

[Guest TheGame2705]

To validate your claims, you better prove A-Train is more worthy than anyone on the Smackdown roster of his spot...can you do that?

There's someone worthier of getting made fun of by ignorant fans, getting a feud with a female non-wrestler, and having their only big wins be against Rey Jr? Damn, I couldn't think of anyone else who would be worthy enough of his treatment.

[Spaceman Spiff]

A-Train = best hoss in the company.

 

Works hard & mixes up his move-set. As long as they don't have him squashing guys I like, I've got no problem with him.

[Youth N Asia]

I don't think Albert's very good. His matches are slow and boring and his interviews are stale.

[{''({o..o})''}]

Nobody will listen to any positives about A-Train. If Vader in his prime was on Smackdown now we'd be getting the same basic "he sucks", maybe not to the same extremes, but they'd be there.

[EricMM]

A train would be better off if he put on a shirt

 

He's ewky

[AndrewTS]

Nobody will listen to any positives about A-Train. If Vader in his prime was on Smackdown now we'd be getting the same basic "he sucks", maybe not to the same extremes, but they'd be there.

I don't think he sucks. I just don't think he's very good.

 

And if you believe certain people here, then all our minds will change when we get to the Cena-A-Train series.

[KTID]

Nobody will listen to any positives about A-Train. If Vader in his prime was on Smackdown now we'd be getting the same basic "he sucks", maybe not to the same extremes, but they'd be there.

 

 

WHAT???????

 

Vader was a great worker, Alberts the second worst worker in WWE. How can you say people would treat a super-worker the same as they do a man who makes Test look like Eddie?

 

By the way, sorry for picking on you, lots of people were saying the same thing. To all of you, go SHAVE YOUR BACK!!!

[Spaceman Spiff]

Alberts the second worst worker in WWE

Off the top of my head:

 

Gowan

Goldberg

Test

Bradshaw

Steiner

Both Le Res guys

Orlando Jordan

Randy Orton

Batista (when he comes back)

Mark Henry (if he ever surfaces again)

Nathan Jones (if he ever surfaces again)

Maven

Nowinski

Billy Gunn

Nash

Kane (boring, generic big-man offense)

 

That's *17* guys who are worse workers (IMO) than A-Train. Even if you choose to ignore Henry, Jones, and Kane, that's still a lot of guys worse than A-Train.

 

EDIT: Goooold-beeerrrg!

Edited August 15, 2003 by Spaceman Spiff

[{''({o..o})''}]

^Thanks for your support even if you don't agree with me.

What I'm saying is that even if A-Train was busting out *** star matches every time he came out people would still rag on him. Anytime any of the smark hated(I.E. Goldberg, A-train, Triple H, and a couple of others) does anything well it's totally brushed aside. They will then ignore the obvious defects of the smark darlings and high five each other when you get sick of defending your opinion.

[El Psycho Diablo]

He may be "decent"..but what about all the guys who are -better- than he is, and don't get the same push because Ross dosen't slobber all over them?

[Spaceman Spiff]

Of course that's a problem, but that's not A-Train's fault.

 

People just shit all over him, when it's really not warranted.

 

He's decent (no more, no less).

[{''({o..o})''}]

Well, how great has his push really been huh? When you compare him to the great monsters of the past(which he is better in the ring than most) he's never had the chance to get pushed any more than half assed. Beat up Mysterio, then dissapear to velocity for two months, interfere in a Taker match to be squashed at the PPV. Not every wrestler can be A world Class worker, but its hard to be much of anything when the blantantly show your weeknesses and don't use your positives to their fullest(Which is true with almost everybody in WWE nowadays). In a ideal world everybody would be used correctly so we wouldn't have to complain about whos getting pushed and who isn't but since this isn't true don't fault him for management's half assed push.

EDIT: Why do I keep getting involved in the defense of A_train, he isn't even in my top 20 favorites in WWE now

[KTID]

What I'm saying is that even if A-Train was busting out *** star matches every time he came out people would still rag on him. Anytime any of the smark hated(I.E. Goldberg, A-train, Triple H, and a couple of others) does anything well it's totally brushed aside. They will then ignore the obvious defects of the smark darlings and high five each other when you get sick of defending your opinion.

 

If he was busting out *** star matches every time he came out, i'd praise him for it.

 

I am CONSTANTLY bitching about people on here using double standards, regarding guys like HHH compared to guys like Angle.

[AndrewTS]

^Thanks for your support even if you don't agree with me.

What I'm saying is that even if A-Train was busting out *** star matches every time he came out people would still rag on him.  Anytime any of the smark hated(I.E. Goldberg, A-train, Triple H, and a couple of others) does anything well it's totally brushed aside.  They will then ignore the obvious defects of the smark darlings and high five each other when you get sick of defending your opinion.

It's been noted that Goldberg is selling now--however the debate is whether it's good/bad for him to be doing so.

 

The "smark hated" don't care because they live in the WWE fantasy world that's detached from reality. Those without stroke in WWE must accept that Vince is a genius, HHH is the new Ric Flair, Undertaker is a living legend who must be respected at all costs, and they have to simply shut up and take whatever shit creative dumps on them. If they dare get over by themselves they're punished for it.

 

Triple H was given his due when he had a good match with Ric Flair and even his Mania match vs. Booker. However, Ric Flair was a politicking motherfucker when he was in his prime and people called him on it.

 

If HHH had consistently good ring work, we'd be saying he's just a politicking motherfucker instead of a politicking motherfucker with very shitty and boring matches.

 

A-Train has no pull--he's a guy doing his job who is frankly a good worker for a guy his size. However, guys his size generally aren't good wrestlers because they are limited offensively and their opponents usually can't do many moves on him. A-Train's more versitile offensively than most and can take some surprising bumps, but it's harder for him to be great than it is for some one of a smaller size. I don't WANT everyone the same size and the same style--I want to see a fed full of different sized guys. Cruisers, mid-sized guys, even a few super-heavys like A-Train--IF THEY CAN WORK!

 

However, the point is moot because A-Train is not getting over on his own, and this off-and-on mini-pushes aren't doing jack-shit for him either. A-Train won't get over this way because no one really could. If Taker puts him over clean, A-Train won't get over. He's just a dumb thug looking character with nothing really distinctive about him but his back hair. He doesn't really have a gimmick, a defined personally, or anything fans could latch on to and work as either a face or heel. He's a big guy with a disgustingly hairy body. Until he evolves beyond that fans aren't going to care.

[El Psycho Diablo]

Even a half-assed push is more than a guy like Tajiri, Noble, Spanky will ever get, even though those three blow away Albert in almost every area.

 

(Though, he's gotten several huge monster pushes in the past. Nobody will ever give a shit until he gets an actual character, but they won't ever realize that.)

[{''({o..o})''}]

I'm not trying to be arguementative because Like I said A-Train isn't one of my favorites at all. In fact RVD is one of my favorites with all his faults, its just I defend those who I think get shit on unjustly.

[Spaceman Spiff]

If Taker puts him over clean

Well, I really doubt we'll need to worry about that...

[AndrewTS]

If Taker puts him over clean

Well, I really doubt we'll need to worry about that...

Albert is a hoss, is reportedly a real prince (pardon the pun) in the locker room and shows great respect for guys like Taker. He's Vader as far as Ross is concerned--who got fucking NATHAN JONES hired--so his ring work isn't an issue to them. Taker's put him over in interviews before.

 

Trust me, it isn't that far-fetched.

[{''({o..o})''}]

I think Taker will need a screwjob to die the way he's been lately. What it boils down to is creative sucks, if somebody had the freedom to book smartly we wouldn't be having these dicussions. Blaming certain wrestlers for being pushed isn't right when almost everybody has no input to their character.

EDIT: Yeah Taker sure made A-Train and Bigshow, probably two of the strongest heelson Smackdown at the time, over at Wrestlemania by beating the crap out of bothe of them singlehandedly.

[AndrewTS]

I think Taker will need a screwjob to die the way he's been lately.  What it boils down to is creative sucks, if somebody had the freedom to book smartly we wouldn't be having these dicussions.  Blaming certain wrestlers for being pushed isn't right when almost everybody has no input to their character.

I have nothing personal against A-Train. WWE just has this stubborn way of pushing who THEY want and trying to throw a bucket of cold water on the heat of wrestlers who get over by themselves.

 

Yeah Taker sure made A-Train and Bigshow, probably two of the strongest heelson Smackdown at the time, over at Wrestlemania by beating the crap out of bothe of them singlehandedly.

 

Jones sucked too hard to actually be in the match, and you think Taker was about to have his WM win streak killed by them?

[{''({o..o})''}]

Sorry if it looked like I was pointing at you, but I heard losts of people in the past bitch about this same thing before. So I hope alls cool.

EDIT: I don't think they should have beaten him per say, but to be manhandled by someone with no real longterm future to stroke his ego just makes no damn sense. Which means its WWE through and through.

[AndrewTS]

Sorry if it looked like I was pointing at you, but I heard losts of people in the past bitch about this same thing before.  So I hope alls cool.

EDIT:  I don't think they should have beaten him per say, but to be manhandled by someone with no real longterm future to stroke his ego just makes no damn sense.  Which means its WWE through and through.

All's cool--and a counter-argument to that post--remember how Brock absolutely sucked? But once he started to actually wrestle in his matches we gave him his due? Even Anglesault! Now he's practically a "smark darling."

 

And that's why the sig says that...

[cabbageboy]

People miss the big picture with Albert. The guy has been around for about 5 years for god's sake. He has shown literally NO signs over getting over to any degree beyond the occasional chant of "Shave your back." At some point you would think they might realize the guy just doesn't have anything and give up.