Being gay is the new trend

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And how in the world can gay women transmit HIV?

You seemed to miss my whole rant about how HIV isn't only and exclusively for gay people. You also seemed to ignore the facts about that from the past few years.

[Guest JMA]

Try asking GIRLS and see how accurate it is.

Exactly how many girls HAVE you asked if they like in up the ass? And WHY would you ask them that?

[Ripper 0]

Try asking GIRLS and see how accurate it is.

Exactly how many girls HAVE you asked if they like in up the ass? And WHY would you ask them that?

I don't know. thats usually how I break the ice. I say that instead of "Hi".

[Jobber of the Week 0]

You sound AWFULLY sensitive here.

 

Maybe I hit a grain of truth.

 

As usual.

-=Mike

No, you hit a grain of stupidity. You're being blasted from several fronts here for making such a stupid fucking comment.

 

You say anal sex is dangerous and unhealthy: I agree.

 

You say anal sex is most likely to transmit AIDS: I agree, but I stress that it's not the ONLY way to transmit AIDS.

 

You say that any straight man who has anal sex is a closet homosexual: I say WTF and wait for some kind of research for this wild comment. You won't provide any because you don't have it and so you've made yourself look like a fool.

 

Sorry ladies, Ron Jeremy is secretly a gay man.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Um...you know you CAN get AIDS from oral sex right?

It is possible, but HIGHLY unlikely.

-=Mike --- VERY HIGHLY unlikely

http://www.aegis.com/news/ap/1990/AP901005.html

 

The researchers looked at 82 men who tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Of the 82 -- all of them part of three continuing studies in the San Francisco Bay area -- 17 percent reported they engaged in oral sex and no other behavior that carries a high risk of catching AIDS.

 

"Oral sex was not implicated as a major risk factor in previous studies," one of the primary researchers, Warren Winkelstein, said Friday. "What this study does is show pretty clearly that it is a strong risk factor.

 

"We've always pointed out that oral sex was a potential risk. Now, we've confirmed it," added Winkelstein, professor of epidemiology at the University of California at Berkeley's School of Public Health.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

And how in the world can gay women transmit HIV?

You seemed to miss my whole rant about how HIV isn't only and exclusively for gay people. You also seemed to ignore the facts about that from the past few years.

You missed my point. I was saying that it's highly unlikely women will contract AIDS through anything other than heterosexual sex. Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

[Ripper 0]

And how in the world can gay women transmit HIV?

You seemed to miss my whole rant about how HIV isn't only and exclusively for gay people. You also seemed to ignore the facts about that from the past few years.

You missed my point. I was saying that it's highly unlikely women will contract AIDS through anything other than heterosexual sex. Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

Um, bullshit. YOU CAN and going down and well, trying not to get graphic, but consuming the bodily fluids of a woman can transmit the HIV virus.

 

Unless you believe there are no gay women out there with it.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

17% is insignificant.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

And how in the world can gay women transmit HIV?

You seemed to miss my whole rant about how HIV isn't only and exclusively for gay people. You also seemed to ignore the facts about that from the past few years.

You missed my point. I was saying that it's highly unlikely women will contract AIDS through anything other than heterosexual sex. Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

Um, bullshit. YOU CAN and going down and well, trying not to get graphic, but consuming the bodily fluids of a woman can transmit the HIV virus.

 

Unless you believe there are no gay women out there with it.

Conducive... meaning it is highly likely.

[Ripper 0]

Never mind, I see what you were correcting me on.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

Then why are there HIV Positive lesbians?

 

And yes, just this year a new transferable HIV between lesbians has been found:

 

Lesbian transmission of HIV: a rare case reported

AIDS Map, 21 January 2003

By Michael Carter

*****************

 

A rare case of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV is reported in the online edition of the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, due to be published on 1st February 2003. Doctors suggest the woman may have been infected through sharing sex toys after drug resistance tests found striking similarities between the genotypes of the woman and her female

HIV-positive partner.

 

The case concerns a 20 year old woman, from Philadelphia, who presented with HIV infection having had a negative HIV test result six months earlier. The woman had been in a monogamous lesbian relationship for the past two years, and denied having had any other sexual partners, male or

female. She had never injected drugs or received blood products, and had no tattoos or body piercings.

 

The couple's sexual practices included the sharing of sex toys, and oral sex. These activities did not occur during menstruation, but sex toys had occasionally been used vigorously enough to draw blood.

 

A medical examination established that the woman was in good health with no evidence of injecting drug use, or nasal damage from cocaine snorting. The woman also had good oral health, which physicians took to mean that oral transmission could be ruled out.

 

Her bisexual partner was known to be HIV-positive, and is believed to be the source of infection because of similarities observed when the two women underwent genotypic drug resistance tests. The 20 year old woman was infected with multi-drug resistant HIV, which carried the following mutations: T215Y (associated with resistance to AZT, d4T and abacavir), D30N (associated with resistance to nelfinavir), K103N (associated with

resistance to NNRTIs), L63P (a polymorphism), V77I (also a polymorphism), and M41L (associated with resistance to AZT and d4T, and with resistance to other NRTIs in the presence of T215Y). Her partner's genotype carried mutations at each of these points, plus M184V (associated with resistance

to 3TC).

 

The investigators note that this is the "first reported case of

female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV supported by identification of similar HIV genotypes in the source patient and the recipient."

 

They conclude that whilst reports of woman-to-woman sexual transmission of HIV are scarce, lesbians in HIV-discordant relationships should be advised regarding safer sexual practices.

 

 

Reference: Kwakwa HA et al. Female-to-female transmission of human immunodeficiency virus. Clinical Infectious Diseases, 36, 1 February 2003.

 

 

Source: AIDS Map, 21 January 2003

[Guest SideFXs]

I think the gist of the VH-1 segment was to show that the gay issue is no longer a source of shame. The purpose of the TV segment was to show how the 'gay-stigma' has virtually done a 180 degree turn, since 1991. Celebrities had to remain in the closet or risk being shunned. "Coming out" meant risking their career. This practically applied to anyone who was gay, not just celebrities. Things started changing in 1991, when Ellen DeGeneres declared her sexuality, on national TV. Then other gay celebrities followed. Even though I cannot stand Ellen's personality, I praise her for taking the risk. You can bet 'gay society' was waiting for the dust to settle.

 

Then straight celebrities started supporting gay issues. (Madonna, Cher). Suddenly those straight celebrities were becoming embraced by gay society. Then , male celebrities started taking on the look. (Mark Wahlberg, Justin Timberlake, Backstreet Boys). The result? Big time dollars came there way.

 

Don't you think the Hollywood 'money making machine' took notice? The gay market is a 450 BILLION dollar per year market. Therefore, now we are getting programs on gay sex, gay decorating tastes, gay marketing for Calvin Klein, et. al. , Straight men taking on the 'gay look', because women like those physical characteristics, gay reality TV, and gay Sit-Coms.

 

Its all about DA MOOOLA!!

 

What are the beneficial effects to the gay population? Acceptance and a chance to prosper.

 

Come on people!!! Quit distilling this whole thing down to the gutter level buy saying 'BUTT sex' causes AIDS. Please take the time to go to your local health department, your doctor, or pharmacist, and pick up a pamphlet on HIV/AIDS. I think you will discover that the AIDS virus is present not only in semen, but vaginal fluid, and saliva, and of course, in the blood. You will discover that the transmission of the virus is difficult, because of 'natural barriers' like intact mucus lining, skin, and exposure to the outside air (oxygen). But your risk of getting the virus occurs when direct "fluid to fluid" exchange, with someone infected, occurs:

 

Anal sex, vaginal sex, oral sex, sharing syringes, blood transfusions of infected blood, crossing the placental barrier, OK!!!!!?

 

Some of you better educate yourselves, or else. Do you have any idea what happens to you when your immune system is compromised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

 

What you need to know about HIV/AIDS

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

yeah...but I agree it's possible.

[Ripper 0]

I think the gist of the VH-1 segment was to show that the gay issue is no longer a source of shame. The purpose of the TV segment was to show how the 'gay-stigma' has virtually done a 180 degree turn, since 1991. Celebrities had to remain in the closet or risk being shunned. "Coming out" meant risking their career. This practically applied to anyone who was gay, not just celebrities. Things started changing in 1991, when Ellen DeGeneres declared her sexuality, on national TV. Then other gay celebrities followed. Even though I cannot stand Ellen's personality, I praise her for taking the risk. You can bet 'gay society' was waiting for the dust to settle.

 

Then straight celebrities started supporting gay issues. (Madonna, Cher). Suddenly those straight celebrities were becoming embraced by gay society. Then , male celebrities started taking on the look. (Mark Wahlberg, Justin Timberlake, Backstreet Boys). The result? Big time dollars came there way.

 

Don't you think the Hollywood 'money making machine' took notice? The gay market is a 450 BILLION dollar per year market. Therefore, now we are getting programs on gay sex, gay decorating tastes, gay marketing for Calvin Klein, et. al. , Straight men taking on the 'gay look', because women like those physical characteristics, gay reality TV, and gay Sit-Coms.

 

Its all about DA MOOOLA!!

 

What are the beneficial effects to the gay population? Acceptance and a chance to prosper.

 

Come on people!!! Quit distilling this whole thing down to the gutter level buy saying 'BUTT sex' causes AIDS. Please take the time to go to your local health department, your doctor, or pharmacist, and pick up a pamphlet on HIV/AIDS. I think you will discover that the AIDS virus is present not only in semen, but vaginal fluid, and saliva, and of course, in the blood. You will discover that the transmission of the virus is difficult, because of 'natural barriers' like intact mucus lining, skin, and exposure to the outside air (oxygen). But your risk of getting the virus occurs when direct "fluid to fluid" exchange, with someone infected, occurs:

 

Anal sex, vaginal sex, oral sex, sharing syringes, blood transfusions of infected blood, crossing the placental barrier, OK!!!!!?

 

Some of you better educate yourselves, or else. Do you have any idea what happens to you when your immune system is compromised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

 

What you need to know about HIV/AIDS

From that long and informative post, I only have one question:

 

What the hell is "the look"?

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

Then why are there HIV Positive lesbians?

Not conducive does not mean impossible, it means unlikely. That is one rare case.

[Swift Terror 0]

So the "pinnacle" of evolution is a lifestyle where procreation is impossible.

 

Right on, Clive should stick to the animals at the Zoo. I doubt if the ultimate destiny of humanity is to stop reproducing. I also doubt if Richard Simmons is representative of a highly evolved being.

[Guest Retro Rob]

So the "pinnacle" of evolution is a lifestyle where procreation is impossible.

 

Right on, Clive should stick to the animals at the Zoo. I doubt if the ultimate destiny of humanity is to stop reproducing. I also doubt if Richard Simmons is representative of a highly evolved being.

I think evolution is a bad word to use in that sentence. Maybe the "pinnacle of humanity" would be to accept everyone regardless of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation. Although, this acceptance does show how the human race has evolved into one that is now much more compassionate than before, so who knows. It's just semantic bullshit anyway since I believe you all know the point he was trying to make.

 

Also, I don't think that Richard Simmons is an accurate example of today's gay man... For that matter, if the prominence of straights reproducing is the pinnacle of evolution, there would be PLENTY of people that could just as easily fill the spot that you gave to Richard Simmons and look just as ridiculous if not worse.

 

Finally someone cleared up this AIDS transimission bullshit. Does it really matter which type of sex has the better chance of transmitting AIDS? The bottom line is that if you have unprotected sex with someone suffering from HIV or AIDS of any kind and fluids are excreted, there is a chance of getting the disease. Like someone said earlier, if oral and vaginal sex are so insigificant when it comes to AIDS, would any of you partake in it with an infected person? I mean it is HIGHLY and I mean HIGHLY unlikely...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I also doubt if Richard Simmons is representative of a highly evolved being.

 

You realize that's like if I said:

 

"I also doubt a guy in a 'beer-hat' with a Hooters t-shirt and a pot belly is representative of a highly evolved being"

[Guest MikeSC]

The word LIKELY suggest that more often than not a guy that engages with anal sex with a woman has homosexual tendacies and that is just not correct. What about the woman. How do you explain the large number of women that enjoy anal sex. If a the woman you were involved with had a intrest in doing it and asked you, would you tell her "Nah, I'm straight." If you agreed to do it for her, do you automatically have homoerotic tendencies now.

 

I'm sorry but that broad of a statement is ridiculous.

 

ANd it isn't about buying into Bi-sexuality. Homosexual women don't have intrest in sleeping with or are not attracted to men. Bi-sexual women are. Homosexual men are not attracted to women. Bi-sexual men are. There is a big ass difference.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what "likely" implies --- and it is what I am saying. If you PREFER anal sex, then you have homoerotic tendencies.

 

And if you're a man and another male can sexually arouse you, you aren't bi or straight --- you're gay.

-=Mike --- Not that there's anything wrong with that

[Guest MikeSC]

You sound AWFULLY sensitive here.

 

Maybe I hit a grain of truth.

 

As usual.

    -=Mike

No, you hit a grain of stupidity. You're being blasted from several fronts here for making such a stupid fucking comment.

 

You say anal sex is dangerous and unhealthy: I agree.

 

You say anal sex is most likely to transmit AIDS: I agree, but I stress that it's not the ONLY way to transmit AIDS.

 

You say that any straight man who has anal sex is a closet homosexual: I say WTF and wait for some kind of research for this wild comment. You won't provide any because you don't have it and so you've made yourself look like a fool.

 

Sorry ladies, Ron Jeremy is secretly a gay man.

Oh no, the peanut gallery has been offended. I suppose it WOULD be easier to go along with the majority, but I have this curse known as independent thought.

 

Never said anal sex was the only way to spread AIDS, so your qualification was pointless.

 

I said if a man prefers anal sex he likely has homoerotic tendencies.

 

Try READING what was ridden before getting your panties in such a bunch, okay?

 

Ron Jeremy is a whore. If you wish to use porn stars to attempt to rebut me, then I'm honored that you have to stoop to such lows.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Um...you know you CAN get AIDS from oral sex right?

It is possible, but HIGHLY unlikely.

-=Mike --- VERY HIGHLY unlikely

http://www.aegis.com/news/ap/1990/AP901005.html

 

The researchers looked at 82 men who tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Of the 82 -- all of them part of three continuing studies in the San Francisco Bay area -- 17 percent reported they engaged in oral sex and no other behavior that carries a high risk of catching AIDS.

 

"Oral sex was not implicated as a major risk factor in previous studies," one of the primary researchers, Warren Winkelstein, said Friday. "What this study does is show pretty clearly that it is a strong risk factor.

 

"We've always pointed out that oral sex was a potential risk. Now, we've confirmed it," added Winkelstein, professor of epidemiology at the University of California at Berkeley's School of Public Health.

And I suppose I COULD waste the time and go into the rampant imperfections in such studies, but that would be lost here.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

Then why are there HIV Positive lesbians?

 

And yes, just this year a new transferable HIV between lesbians has been found:

 

Lesbian transmission of HIV: a rare case reported

AIDS Map, 21 January 2003

By Michael Carter

*****************

 

A rare case of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV is reported in the online edition of the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, due to be published on 1st February 2003. Doctors suggest the woman may have been infected through sharing sex toys after drug resistance tests found striking similarities between the genotypes of the woman and her female

HIV-positive partner.

 

The case concerns a 20 year old woman, from Philadelphia, who presented with HIV infection having had a negative HIV test result six months earlier. The woman had been in a monogamous lesbian relationship for the past two years, and denied having had any other sexual partners, male or

female. She had never injected drugs or received blood products, and had no tattoos or body piercings.

 

The couple's sexual practices included the sharing of sex toys, and oral sex. These activities did not occur during menstruation, but sex toys had occasionally been used vigorously enough to draw blood.

 

A medical examination established that the woman was in good health with no evidence of injecting drug use, or nasal damage from cocaine snorting. The woman also had good oral health, which physicians took to mean that oral transmission could be ruled out.

 

Her bisexual partner was known to be HIV-positive, and is believed to be the source of infection because of similarities observed when the two women underwent genotypic drug resistance tests. The 20 year old woman was infected with multi-drug resistant HIV, which carried the following mutations: T215Y (associated with resistance to AZT, d4T and abacavir), D30N (associated with resistance to nelfinavir), K103N (associated with

resistance to NNRTIs), L63P (a polymorphism), V77I (also a polymorphism), and M41L (associated with resistance to AZT and d4T, and with resistance to other NRTIs in the presence of T215Y). Her partner's genotype carried mutations at each of these points, plus M184V (associated with resistance

to 3TC).

 

The investigators note that this is the "first reported case of

female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV supported by identification of similar HIV genotypes in the source patient and the recipient."

 

They conclude that whilst reports of woman-to-woman sexual transmission of HIV are scarce, lesbians in HIV-discordant relationships should be advised regarding safer sexual practices.

 

 

Reference: Kwakwa HA et al. Female-to-female transmission of human immunodeficiency virus. Clinical Infectious Diseases, 36, 1 February 2003.

 

 

Source: AIDS Map, 21 January 2003

Note the term "rare" in that little report?

 

It is difficult for lesbians to transmit it to one another and the reasons why are self-evident.

 

Well, provided you have a clue how HIV is transmitted.

-=Mike --- also note that one of the partners was "bi"?

[Guest MikeSC]

So the "pinnacle" of evolution is a lifestyle where procreation is impossible.

 

Right on, Clive should stick to the animals at the Zoo. I doubt if the ultimate destiny of humanity is to stop reproducing. I also doubt if Richard Simmons is representative of a highly evolved being.

I think evolution is a bad word to use in that sentence. Maybe the "pinnacle of humanity" would be to accept everyone regardless of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation. Although, this acceptance does show how the human race has evolved into one that is now much more compassionate than before, so who knows. It's just semantic bullshit anyway since I believe you all know the point he was trying to make.

 

Also, I don't think that Richard Simmons is an accurate example of today's gay man... For that matter, if the prominence of straights reproducing is the pinnacle of evolution, there would be PLENTY of people that could just as easily fill the spot that you gave to Richard Simmons and look just as ridiculous if not worse.

 

Finally someone cleared up this AIDS transimission bullshit. Does it really matter which type of sex has the better chance of transmitting AIDS? The bottom line is that if you have unprotected sex with someone suffering from HIV or AIDS of any kind and fluids are excreted, there is a chance of getting the disease. Like someone said earlier, if oral and vaginal sex are so insigificant when it comes to AIDS, would any of you partake in it with an infected person? I mean it is HIGHLY and I mean HIGHLY unlikely...

Clive used the term, so it is the phrase being debated. I have no clue what this apparent idiot is trying to say --- only that he is failing miserably at it.

-=Mike

...The only argument about AIDS transmission is that anal sex is EASILY the easiest way to get it and that gay men make up a staggeringly large percentage of U.S AIDS patients for being such a small percentage of the population.

[Guest MikeSC]

And how in the world can gay women transmit HIV?

You seemed to miss my whole rant about how HIV isn't only and exclusively for gay people. You also seemed to ignore the facts about that from the past few years.

You missed my point. I was saying that it's highly unlikely women will contract AIDS through anything other than heterosexual sex. Your point is moot because lesbian sex (oral) is not conducive to transmitting HIV.

Um, bullshit. YOU CAN and going down and well, trying not to get graphic, but consuming the bodily fluids of a woman can transmit the HIV virus.

 

Unless you believe there are no gay women out there with it.

That would ALSO require an open sore in your mouth for that to be a big concern.

 

Is it POSSIBLE? Yes --- but bloody unlikely.

-=Mike

...And I'd like to see some study of how many lesbians have AIDS.

[Guest MikeSC]

17% is insignificant.

And seeing as how I've not heard of a study EVER producing results remotely similar underscores the unreliability here.

-=Mike

[Guest JMA]

Yes, that is EXACTLY what "likely" implies --- and it is what I am saying. If you PREFER anal sex, then you have homoerotic tendencies.

 

And if you're a man and another male can sexually arouse you, you aren't bi or straight --- you're gay.

-=Mike --- Not that there's anything wrong with that

Where exactly is your proof? Or is this just your opinion?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Never said anal sex was the only way to spread AIDS, so your qualification was pointless.

I never even said you ever said that, I said you said that anal sex "is most likely to transmit AIDS" compared to other sex acts, you fucking idiot.

 

 

And I suppose I COULD waste the time and go into the rampant imperfections in such studies, but that would be lost here.

 

I guess I could find more studies if you wanted me to. That was just what appeared in page 1 in Google, and there were many more. How many do you need before you take your fingers out of your ears?

 

Note the term "rare" in that little report?

 

And it will never happen again!

 

                  -=Mike --- also note that one of the partners was "bi"?

 

But all it takes is enough bisexuals spreading it to lesbians to cause an outbreak spread through sexual acts. And then there's the issue of drug use, which is a danger to everyone of every orientation. NO ONE is likely to get HIV by having sex unless they're the sick individuals specifically trying to have sex with people who have HIV. The problem about the disease is always about THE RISK, and being careful about the risk, and keeping the risks from becoming too great through protection and being smart.

 

http://www.thebody.com/cdc/femtrans.html

 

Studies from HIV serosurveys among women attending sexually transmitted disease clinics and women's health clinics also suggest that HIV infection in lesbian and bisexual women is closely associated with injection drug use or to sexual contact with men at increased risk for HIV infection. These data do not exclude the possibility of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV, but they do indicate that it is rare. However rare such transmission may be, women who have sexual contact with other women need to be aware of the potential for infection with HIV, including the risk behaviors of their sex partners. Lesbian women should know that vaginal and cervical secretions and menstrual blood are potentially infectious and that mucous membrane (e.g., oral, vaginal) contact with infected blood or secretions can lead to HIV transmission.

 

So no, while lesbian sex is not going to originate AIDS (and god only knows how it originated) it CAN spread through that method.

 

That would ALSO require an open sore in your mouth for that to be a big concern.

 

Bullshit.

 

http://www.thebody.com/cdc/news_updates_ar...v_oral_sex.html

 

Laboratory studies of mouth tissue suggest that unprotected oral sex does have the potential to transmit HIV, but one expert said it is still less risky than other routes of transmission.

 

Dr. Xuan Liu of Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science and colleagues at the University of California-Los Angeles obtained oral tissue samples from over 50 healthy, HIV-negative patients and exposed the tissue to three different types of HIV. They found that two of the types could infect and reproduce within keratinocytes that line the mouth's surface, and then transfer the infection to adjacent white blood cells. However, the level of infection in the mouth cells was much lower than that seen in white blood cells -- approximately one-fourth to one-eighth lower.

 

"HIV is able to get into [keratinocytes], but it reproduces less than it would in blood cells... because saliva contains an HIV inhibitor," said Liu.

 

So, it's what I've been saying all along, oral sex risk rate is lower than anal sex, but it's not impossible, and it doesn't require an open wound.

 

Other people on your side of the ideological debate have provided much more intelligent banter and not shot off their mouth about shit they don't bother to research. Spicy McHaggis, Swift Terror, and even kkktookmybabyaway have provided more to this table than your bullshit, which is always either easily refutable or blindingly ignorant.

 

Please, just shut up and find another thread if you're too lazy to educate yourself on the subject while expressing yourself.

[Guest stardust]

Hey Rip, you proved my point because I worded my point wrong :-P

 

It is very true that no one's going to have gay sex unless they have the desire but some people may want to be thought of as gay or participate in gay stuff (non-sex) just to be a part of the trend. It's like how hip-hop has become popular with everyone. All the white kids on the block who listen to it still try and wear the clothes as close to gangsta as possible just to be considered cool.

I was actually at a gay bar the other night with my best friend, and I noticed that there were quite a few straight guys in there, along with straight girls. Chris' comment to me: "It's cool to go to the gay bar if you're straight." This particular bar also has karaoke night/drag shows on Sunday nights, and apparently a lot of straight Baylor Brats will go on Sunday nights.

 

As a straight girl who does go to gay bars with her gay friends, and as a straight girl who has many gay friends, I'm not friends with them because it's the "trendy" thing to do. I'm friends with them because, hey, I actually like hanging out with them. Chris and I probably could've been separated at birth we're so alike sometimes...we just have a really great connection. Besides, with gay guys, there isn't any sexual tension like there is between a girl and a straight male friend, so it's a lot easier to just relax, be myself, and have fun and let go. Hell, I'll admit that that's one reason why I'm more comfortable going to a gay bar than a straight bar--I don't have anyone to try to impress at a gay bar, so once again, I just relax and be myself and have a good time instead of constantly worrying if my eyeliner's smudged or if I have a hair out of place or if my shirt isn't low-cut enough. But at the same time, I do realize that there are those out there who do follow the trends. At the same time, though, just as our society has become more accepting of gays, I think it's also become more acceptable for homosexuals and heterosexuals to actually be friends with each other. There's no longer that unfounded fear that some ignorant people had way back when that you could become gay just by shaking a homosexual's hand (and I'm exaggerating, but I'm hoping everyone will be able to see the point I'm trying to make).

 

So yes, maybe it is a bit of a trend, but I think that trend is based largely upon society's acceptance of gays and the fact that society, in general, is a lot more accepting of homosexuals.

 

 

Also, referring to the "all men who like anal sex have inherent homoerotic tendencies" comment...so how do you explain women who like anal sex?

[Guest TheGame2705]

Hey Rip, you proved my point because I worded my point wrong :-P

 

It is very true that no one's going to have gay sex unless they have the desire but some people may want to be thought of as gay or participate in gay stuff (non-sex) just to be a part of the trend. It's like how hip-hop has become popular with everyone. All the white kids on the block who listen to it still try and wear the clothes as close to gangsta as possible just to be considered cool.

I was actually at a gay bar the other night with my best friend, and I noticed that there were quite a few straight guys in there, along with straight girls. Chris' comment to me: "It's cool to go to the gay bar if you're straight." This particular bar also has karaoke night/drag shows on Sunday nights, and apparently a lot of straight Baylor Brats will go on Sunday nights.

 

As a straight girl who does go to gay bars with her gay friends, and as a straight girl who has many gay friends, I'm not friends with them because it's the "trendy" thing to do. I'm friends with them because, hey, I actually like hanging out with them. Chris and I probably could've been separated at birth we're so alike sometimes...we just have a really great connection. Besides, with gay guys, there isn't any sexual tension like there is between a girl and a straight male friend, so it's a lot easier to just relax, be myself, and have fun and let go. Hell, I'll admit that that's one reason why I'm more comfortable going to a gay bar than a straight bar--I don't have anyone to try to impress at a gay bar, so once again, I just relax and be myself and have a good time instead of constantly worrying if my eyeliner's smudged or if I have a hair out of place or if my shirt isn't low-cut enough. But at the same time, I do realize that there are those out there who do follow the trends. At the same time, though, just as our society has become more accepting of gays, I think it's also become more acceptable for homosexuals and heterosexuals to actually be friends with each other. There's no longer that unfounded fear that some ignorant people had way back when that you could become gay just by shaking a homosexual's hand (and I'm exaggerating, but I'm hoping everyone will be able to see the point I'm trying to make).

 

So yes, maybe it is a bit of a trend, but I think that trend is based largely upon society's acceptance of gays and the fact that society, in general, is a lot more accepting of homosexuals.

 

 

Also, referring to the "all men who like anal sex have inherent homoerotic tendencies" comment...so how do you explain women who like anal sex?

Straight people hanging out at a gay bar? That certainly proves what I'm trying to say.

 

As an aside, tell this friend to stop hitting on Jon before I have to go down there and rough him up.

[Guest MikeSC]

Yes, that is EXACTLY what "likely" implies --- and it is what I am saying. If you PREFER anal sex, then you have homoerotic tendencies.

 

And if you're a man and another male can sexually arouse you, you aren't bi or straight --- you're gay.

-=Mike --- Not that there's anything wrong with that

Where exactly is your proof? Or is this just your opinion?

Consider it an opinion with considerable anecdotal evidence behind it.

-=Mike