WON Hall of Fame voting results

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Oh yes, how could I forget Eddie. The matches with Rock were just there. If it wasn't for Rock's charisma they would have been just average affairs.

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So, how would Triple H be able to get in? He's not 35 yet, is he? Because I know he hasn't been in the business for 15 years yet.

He's Angle's age.

 

And look at the baseball HOF. It's littered with drunks and womanizers.

 

Mickey Mantle drank himself to death. Should he have been barred from the Hall for his off field antics and ignore his actual career?

The baseball and wrestling HOF are not the same thing.

 

Even discounting faking an injury to get out of jobbing the world title- HBK had a few great matches and was a flat out bomb as champion.

 

It's the Hall of Fame- not the Hall of Very Good

[Damaramu 0]

HHH probably got on the ballot due to his 2000/01 run which is one of the most overrated runs in history. I guess being carried by Austin, Foley, Rock, Benoit, Jericho and Angle is key to being a great wrestler.

Yep, just like Benoit is the most overrated wrestler. Ever since he's been in the WWE, I've never heard of a good Benoit match that didn't involve, Jericho, Angle, HHH, or Austin. Not exactly slugs by any means there.

Benoit has good matches with Albert and Rikishi. They aren't exactly workrate gods.

Fact is Benoit is as good as everyone says he is. No matter how much people whine and cry "Everyone likes Benoit! WAAH! I'll hate him because everyone likes him! WAAH!" Bitch and moan all you want but Benoit IS THAT GOOD. If you've EVER watched him in ECW, WCW, Japan, and Mexico you know this. Hell if you paid attention while watching him on WWE TV you'd know this. Frankly people need to get over there insecurities about liking a wreslter that everyone else does.

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Oh yes, how could I forget Eddie. The matches with Rock were just there. If it wasn't for Rock's charisma they would have been just average affairs.

Everytime Rock and Benoit faced off- a good match resulted.

 

2.14.00

5.22.00

8.7.00

9.25.00

 

Those are all good Benoit v. Rock matches

 

And Fully Loaded 2000.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

HHH probably got on the ballot due to his 2000/01 run which is one of the most overrated runs in history. I guess being carried by Austin, Foley, Rock, Benoit, Jericho and Angle is key to being a great wrestler.

Yep, just like Benoit is the most overrated wrestler. Ever since he's been in the WWE, I've never heard of a good Benoit match that didn't involve, Jericho, Angle, HHH, or Austin. Not exactly slugs by any means there.

Benoit has good matches with Albert and Rikishi. They aren't exactly workrate gods.

Fact is Benoit is as good as everyone says he is. No matter how much people whine and cry "Everyone likes Benoit! WAAH! I'll hate him because everyone likes him! WAAH!" Bitch and moan all you want but Benoit IS THAT GOOD. If you've EVER watched him in ECW, WCW, Japan, and Mexico you know this. Hell if you paid attention while watching him on WWE TV you'd know this. Frankly people need to get over there insecurities about liking a wreslter that everyone else does.

HHH had a better match with Rikishi than any Benoit match with Albert or Rikishi. Of course, this is conveniently forgotten amidst the Benoit blowjobs. And I don't care how good Benoit was five or ten years ago. Today he's an overrated hack living off of his legacy thanks to a bunch of delusional fanboys unwilling to let go.

[bob_barron 0]

Benoit also has had good matches with both Hardy Boyz.

 

And has been in three high end WWF/E MOTYC for three years in a row

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Oh yes, how could I forget Eddie. The matches with Rock were just there. If it wasn't for Rock's charisma they would have been just average affairs.

Everytime Rock and Benoit faced off- a good match resulted.

 

2.14.00

5.22.00

8.7.00

9.25.00

 

Those are all good Benoit v. Rock matches

 

And Fully Loaded 2000.

Okay, but I beg to differ. They were just your average face Rock vs. Heel of the Month matches with the Rock bumping all over the place trying to put some heat on the guy. Nothing special at all.

[Damaramu 0]

HHH probably got on the ballot due to his 2000/01 run which is one of the most overrated runs in history. I guess being carried by Austin, Foley, Rock, Benoit, Jericho and Angle is key to being a great wrestler.

Yep, just like Benoit is the most overrated wrestler. Ever since he's been in the WWE, I've never heard of a good Benoit match that didn't involve, Jericho, Angle, HHH, or Austin. Not exactly slugs by any means there.

Benoit has good matches with Albert and Rikishi. They aren't exactly workrate gods.

Fact is Benoit is as good as everyone says he is. No matter how much people whine and cry "Everyone likes Benoit! WAAH! I'll hate him because everyone likes him! WAAH!" Bitch and moan all you want but Benoit IS THAT GOOD. If you've EVER watched him in ECW, WCW, Japan, and Mexico you know this. Hell if you paid attention while watching him on WWE TV you'd know this. Frankly people need to get over there insecurities about liking a wreslter that everyone else does.

HHH had a better match with Rikishi than any Benoit match with Albert or Rikishi. Of course, this is conveniently forgotten amidst the Benoit blowjobs. And I don't care how good Benoit was five or ten years ago. Today he's an overrated hack living off of his legacy thanks to a bunch of delusional fanboys unwilling to let go.

Ok fine if we're delusional fanboys then you're a bitter prick. Seriously just because a bunch of people like Benoit doesn't mean that you have to hate him out of spite. Because that's all I'm seeing here. You can't come up with a rational argument as to why Benoit sucks these days.

Everyone tells you GOOD matches that he's had that are better than most WWE matches and all you can come up with is "Well..you're all fanboys up on Benoit's dick..."

Yeah well if you're going to play that card then so am I. You're just a bitter little bastard that can't take the fact that other people like Benoit when he doesn't.

[Guest Ray]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

AGAIN I see this "Angle carried____" shit!!

 

Please tell me how the hell Angle carried HHH when they DID NOT HAVE GOOD MATCHES?!!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!

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I guess we'll agree to disagree- I enjoyed every encounter those two guys had when they faced off.

 

Benoit also dragged a pretty good match out of Taker at Rebellion 2000.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Benoit also has had good matches with both Hardy Boyz.

 

And has been in three high end WWF/E MOTYC for three years in a row

Once again, I do not agree. But, at the same time, the Hardy Boyz weren't BAD wrestlers. Jeff was above average and Matt is pretty good. People sing Benoit's praises as if he's carrying Nah like slugs to ***** matches nightly. And the Benoit matches that have gotten the most praise have consisted of Austin, HHH, Jericho, Angle, and Eddie; all people at one time or another that were considered great wrestlers.

[bob_barron 0]

The Benoit v. Triple H match at No Mercy hasn't really gotten that much praise.

 

Many people consider the match to be overrated with here and there psychology.

 

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

You're just a bitter little bastard that can't take the fact that other people like Benoit when he doesn't.

Whoa, that looks like a flame there buddy. I just may report that.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

The Benoit v. Triple H match at No Mercy hasn't really gotten that much praise.

 

Many people consider the match to be overrated with here and there psychology.

 

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

People did praise that HHH/Benoit match alot. I remember Kieth giving it ***** stars. But the match I was really referring to was the Austin/HHH vis Benoit/Jericho match.

[Damaramu 0]

Listen it takes two to tango. There's not really a way to have ****+ matches with a complete slug. If you wanna have a ****+ match you gotta have another good wrestler. Hence the reason Benoit's best matches have been against other great wrestlers. That's why ANYBODY's great matches are against another GOOD wrestler.

If someone does have a ****+ match with a total slug then it's an oddity and happens once in a blue moon. And at this time I can't think of any matches happening like that.

Seriously do you think before you type?

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

Technically, wouldn't "Hall of Fame" entry rely on how well known someone is?

 

In that case, Michaels has Benoit beat hands down.

 

Besides, backstage behavior has never mattered in these type of things. Lots of so-called "great" sports personalities weren't saints.

[Damaramu 0]

You're just a bitter little bastard that can't take the fact that other people like Benoit when he doesn't.

Whoa, that looks like a flame there buddy. I just may report that.

And I consider it flamebaiting accusing Benoit fans of sucking his dick and calling us fanboys. I may just report that pal.

[Guest Ray]

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

Did you just say Benoit carried that match?

 

 

Tell me you didn't say that.

[bob_barron 0]

The Benoit v. Triple H match at No Mercy hasn't really gotten that much praise.

 

Many people consider the match to be overrated with here and there psychology.

 

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

People did praise that HHH/Benoit match alot. I remember Kieth giving it ***** stars. But the match I was really referring to was the Austin/HHH vis Benoit/Jericho match.

SK did not give it *****.

 

He gave the tag match ****3/4.

 

But that match involved three other people and tag team formula- not just Benoit

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

You're just a bitter little bastard that can't take the fact that other people like Benoit when he doesn't.

Whoa, that looks like a flame there buddy. I just may report that.

And I consider it flamebaiting accusing Benoit fans of sucking his dick and calling us fanboys. I may just report that pal.

I didn't call you a fanboy, nor did I say anyone was sucking his dick. Nice try though buddy. Next please.

[godthedog 0]

guys, if you're gonna start arguing about who carried who, it really helps to point out specific examples of your wrestler dictating the pace or calling the shots. saying shit like "wrestler x carried that match!" "no he didn't! wrestler y carried it, how could you be such a dumbass!" without anything to back these claims is futile. if you can't justify that wrestler x really carried the match, then you don't really know he carried the match, and you best sit down & shut up.

 

and SK gave the no mercy match ****1/4, and the raw tag match ****3/4.

[bob_barron 0]

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

Did you just say Benoit carried that match?

 

 

Tell me you didn't say that.

Do you see the word carried in my post Ray?

 

No.

 

Great- move on and find something else to bitch about other then spazzing out everytime you see the word carry

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

The Benoit v. Triple H match at No Mercy hasn't really gotten that much praise.

 

Many people consider the match to be overrated with here and there psychology.

 

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

People did praise that HHH/Benoit match alot. I remember Kieth giving it ***** stars. But the match I was really referring to was the Austin/HHH vis Benoit/Jericho match.

SK did not give it *****.

 

He gave the tag match ****3/4.

 

But that match involved three other people and tag team formula- not just Benoit

Maybe I'm wrong, but after the show or PPV was over, I read his recap and he gave the match 5 stars. But maybe it was 4. Either way, he thought very highly of it.

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HHH v. Chris Benoit. Big “HHH” chant from the crowd. HHH goes for the knee quickly and pounds on it, bigtime. Vicious stuff. PSYCHOLOGY~!, gotta love it. He even pulls out a Muta bridging deathlock. They head out and Benoit introduces him to the stairs. Back in, for some CANADIAN VIOLENCE! Single-arm DDT hurts HHH’s shoulder, and Benoit goes to work. He pulls out a hammerlock backdrop suplex, which is pretty insane. Northern Lights suplex gets two. Back outside, Benoit hotshots him onto the table. Snap suplex gets two. He tries the cross-armbreaker for a bit, then hits another hammerlock suplex and drives the diving headbutt into HHH’s shoulder. HHH comes back with a small package and an inverted suplex (called properly by LAWLER of all people!) . Slugfest, and HHH’s neckbreaker gets two. HHH superplex, but Benoit comes back with the rolling germans and a pair of bad-looking dragon suplexes for two. Benoit hits the crossface, but HHH powers out. Benoit beats him like a dog and slaps it on again, and HHH powers out again…and turns it into a DVD! Whoa, nellie! Stephanie bounces out (Bras reek of heinosity!) and slaps Benoit, allowing HHH to try the Pedigree. Benoit powers out and goes to the crossface, but HHH powers out of that and goes to the Pedigree, but Benoit powers out of that and goes to the crossface, but HHH powers of THAT, hits a lowblow, and the Pedigree finishes at 18:55. A clean finish in a HHH match? Wow. ****1/4 for some AWESOME psychology and a hard-fought finish. Both guys’ hot streak continue. I dunno what they’re supposed to do with Benoit now, though

[Guest Ray]

Benoit got a great match out of Austin (11.20.00) just a month after Austin came back from neck surgery

Did you just say Benoit carried that match?

 

 

Tell me you didn't say that.

Do you see the word carried in my post Ray?

 

No.

 

Great- move on and find something else to bitch about other then spazzing out everytime you see the word carry

"Benoit got a great match out of Austin "

 

That sure as hell looks like you're saying he was carried.

 

And I won't move on because it's BULLSHIT.

 

"Angle" does not = carry.

"Benoit" does not = carry.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

guys, if you're gonna start arguing about who carried who, it really helps to point out specific examples of your wrestler dictating the pace or calling the shots. saying shit like "wrestler x carried that match!" "no he didn't! wrestler y carried it, how could you be such a dumbass!" without anything to back these claims is futile. if you can't justify that wrestler x really carried the match, then you don't really know he carried the match, and you best sit down & shut up.

 

and SK gave the no mercy match ****1/4, and the raw tag match ****3/4.

People only use the word "carry" when trying to prove their favorite wrestler is the best ever, or some other lame bullshit. When a match is good, it's because (insert highly acclaimed wrestler here) was in th match. But when the match sucks, it's because (insert hated wrestler or hoss here) dragged the match down to their level.

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HHH v. Chris Benoit. Big “HHH” chant from the crowd. HHH goes for the knee quickly and pounds on it, bigtime. Vicious stuff. PSYCHOLOGY~!, gotta love it. He even pulls out a Muta bridging deathlock. They head out and Benoit introduces him to the stairs. Back in, for some CANADIAN VIOLENCE! Single-arm DDT hurts HHH’s shoulder, and Benoit goes to work. He pulls out a hammerlock backdrop suplex, which is pretty insane. Northern Lights suplex gets two. Back outside, Benoit hotshots him onto the table. Snap suplex gets two. He tries the cross-armbreaker for a bit, then hits another hammerlock suplex and drives the diving headbutt into HHH’s shoulder. HHH comes back with a small package and an inverted suplex (called properly by LAWLER of all people!) . Slugfest, and HHH’s neckbreaker gets two. HHH superplex, but Benoit comes back with the rolling germans and a pair of bad-looking dragon suplexes for two. Benoit hits the crossface, but HHH powers out. Benoit beats him like a dog and slaps it on again, and HHH powers out again…and turns it into a DVD! Whoa, nellie! Stephanie bounces out (Bras reek of heinosity!) and slaps Benoit, allowing HHH to try the Pedigree. Benoit powers out and goes to the crossface, but HHH powers out of that and goes to the Pedigree, but Benoit powers out of that and goes to the crossface, but HHH powers of THAT, hits a lowblow, and the Pedigree finishes at 18:55. A clean finish in a HHH match? Wow. ****1/4 for some AWESOME psychology and a hard-fought finish. Both guys’ hot streak continue. I dunno what they’re supposed to do with Benoit now, though

Okay, thanks. I knew it was a highly regarded match though. People have just soured on it over time, particularly after HHH's craptacular run of 2002.

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"Benoit got a great match out of Austin "

 

That sure as hell looks like you're saying he was carried.

 

And I won't move on because it's BULLSHIT.

 

"Angle" does not = carry.

"Benoit" does not = carry.

Ray, drop it. Bob made a slight mistake with the choice of word he picked.

 

Fuck, as soon as I heard you come out and cry "IT'S NOT A FUCKING CARRY" I re-read Bob and realized where you were getting it from.

 

Seriously Ray, it's an honest mistake. If I talk about one wrestler in a match against another person, I might've said the same thing.

[WukenBloodstar 0]

People bitching about Benoit getting beat by HBK? Frankly..I'm glad he won, Benoit is overrated, sure he's good..but he isn't THAT great, jesus christ.

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"Benoit got a great match out of Austin "

 

 

Austin's matches since coming back-

 

NHB mess v. Rikishi

Steel cage v. Rikishi

2-1 handicap v. Rikishi/Angle

An 8-man tag

A 3 minute squash v. Eddy

A brawl with HHH.

 

His match with Benoit was his first real match since coming back from a year long neck injury. None of his previous matches had been any good or were too short to mean anything which meant either a) Austin sucked b) They were trying to hide the fact.

 

They put him against Benoit and WHAM! Austin has a great singles match where he looks like a million bucks.

 

 

And I won't move on because it's BULLSHIT.

 

Oh joy- We get to hear more of your DON'T SAY CARRY! DON'T SAY IT!

 

"Angle" does not = carry.

"Benoit" does not = carry.

 

Since Angle and Benoit are their real names- You didn't have to put it in quotes. Since you hate the word carry will you accept the fact that some wrestlers work a lot harder to try and get something watchable out of a wrestler who has not been known to get watchable matches.