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[Tony149 0]

I thought the show came off as good as can be despite some of the matches having to be dropped at the last minute.

 

The main event was a shocker, though. Who would of thought.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Great show, but dropping those matches hurt it a little. Especially since some of them were kind of important.

 

CWM vs. Hex was built up all the way until now so what happened?

 

I can understand with Orion/Banky and Ed/Dandy because those were mentioned once or twice and then not again for weeks.

 

So other than that what did everyone think of the graphics I made? Esepcially the one for Dirty Deeds next month that appeared at the end there.

 

And of course what did everyone think of my surprise in the Shocker/Bizarro match?

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

I thought the graphics were great. I loved the "go to jail" icon for my match.

 

It is a shame some matches weren't done. We've had a pretty damn good record with getting everything done in the past so I guess this was due.

 

I'll re-read the show later and do some proper comments. Overall a pretty good show, I think, and definitley one of the most surprising with that ending.

 

I'm not sure ending Zack's run like that was quite the right thing to do, but I'm sure he know's what he's doing!

[Tony149 0]

It is a shame some matches weren't done. We've had a pretty damn good record with getting everything done in the past so I guess this was due.

Truthfully, I'm disappointed in that. I understand everybody has things to do but if for some reason one can't write the match, we should be told so we could find another solution.

 

I tried to come up with some reasonable excuses by bringing Watts out and making those announcements. Personally, I thought they were pretty good. This was going to be the show were Watts announced his retirement from the OAOAST but I held off on it. I may keep him around (even if he's not used as much as before) for such events.

 

I thought LPYC's graphics were well done. With SP leaving, LP will be getting most of the work done in the graphics department.

 

While I'm biased because I wrote it -- the opening to the show was one of my favorites. I tried to capture Zack's title run (the longest in OAOAST history) while asking the question, "how much time does he have left".

 

The original opening was more playful in the sense that it was a parody on political ads where it's nothing but bad mouthing. I rewrote the opening to what you saw on the show after I noticed Calvin's character becoming more serious.

 

This event also marks the end of an era. For the first time in OAOAST history, somebody who doesn't have much contact with the OAOAST Mods is Champion. All past titleholders were either Mods or talked with Mods more than once.

[Lightning Flik 0]

Actually Tony, Zack and Calvin would've had to have been in on it. Meaning your theory that the Champion not being in contact with a mod of OAOAST is false. So the era is NOT at an end.

 

Now if you mean more than a single mod, then I'd agree with you.

[Chuck Woolery 0]

::polishes belt::

 

I guess now that I'm champ I should start commenting more often, so here we go.

 

- Eskimo v. Jailbait was good. Nothing blowaway, and the finisher kickouts seemed a bit out of nowhere to me -- felt like it was just a regular move instead of the big finish, but I'm not one to criticize. I didn't see much of the angle, being hD talent, but I wish I had as I've always dug the "scorned face" angle.

 

- Featured Attraction/Dream Machines was good, although trading the titles back and forth was never my favorite way of advancing a feud. I dug the match on a whole, although compared do Eskimo/Jailbait it seemed short.

 

- Ragdoll v. Mad Matt is textbook good right up until Josie gets involved. Her turn is out of nowhere and makes no sense as of now (although I'm sure Rags will explain that), and ending a No DQ with a technical knockout seems a bit... iffy. Again, it's a very good match right up until the interference... but the interference almost kills it for me.

 

- Does Jay always have two matches on PPV? Good, quick match with him and Reject. The ending with the throwing into the water is gold - Zack and I debated using that as our finish at one point but figured someone else would. I would've appreciated knowing what the Lethal Rejection, Instant Replay, etc. were, but that's forgivable. Overall a good match - you never should've left the JL, man!

 

- Axel/Cappa is a spotfest, not much action but what's there moves at breakneck speed. I think the table spot should've been the finish, but I understand you wanting to add suspense. The style of the match didn't lend itself that well to the top-rope Axel Slam as a finish - to me, in a "can-you-top-this" style match the sickest bump should've been the finish, and I think the Awesome Bomb was bigger than the Axel Slam - but that's just my opinion.

 

- PRL's ten minute challenge kinda drags. The four army guys all challenging him gets old after two. I think K-Ness should've come in earlier so you two could've built a better match - the rollup finish seemed rush, and I think you could've built something better had K-Ness been in the ring longer.

 

- Shocker's wrestling twice, too? Jeesh. On a somewhat brighter side, though, he feels like a placeholder in this match - just a guy Bizarro was fighting before the swerve went down. Bizarro/Blurricane angle should be good, as you set it up rather nicely during this match.

 

- What's with the spacing in the Caboose/Stephen Joseph match? My only problem with this match is the same one I had with the Axel/Cappa match, in that it feels like the big spots are in there for the sake of big spots. The beginning was very well done, but it degenerated into a battle of big moves towards the end. Also -- and this is just a personal note -- it would've been infinitely cooler if SJ had tapped instead of gotten pinned. But that's just a personal note - the Fusion onto a steel chair was a fitting end too.

 

- I already gave Zack my comment on his match. Read the damn thing if you haven't, it's a beauty.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Yeah I wasn't big on hot shotting the tag titles either at first, but we wanted to put over both teams.

 

But Blurricane is back baby and it's on now!!!!

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Okay I have a question. What exactly is the SYNCHRONICITY V3? I thought it was a Sitdown Styles Clash, but I keep reading about how Joseph hooks a Front Full Nelson first. How would that even work?

 

Same with the Finality. I never can picture those moves because they baffle me.

[Hank Kingsley 0]

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Yeah, the show was kinda blah, nothing that really stood out, but it was okay for what it was. Finally, a Champion that isn't a member of creative control!

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Laparka, think of a two handed choke hold. then loop the attackers arms under the victim's armpits, and picture the hands still choking the neck. From that, the attacker lifts up and out, in effect rotating the victim clockwise so that he's choking him upside down , the victim's head near the knees of the attacker, and the legs behiund the attackers back.

 

Then sit down tombstone -like, snapping the head.

 

The Finality was a normal full-nelson, but lifting up and backwards, the victim going counter clockwise into a stunner. *osaka street cutter* works close enough

 

to our new champ. congrats. The finish of sj/caboose was not a tapout because caboose doesnt have a submission finisher.

 

and to squash all rumors.

 

bpp/sj is and will no longer activly wrestle. he will however, be back.

 

*cue suspense*

 

i liked the show, and i hope next month is even better

 

i cant wait for the zack calvin rematch

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Laparka, think of a two handed choke hold. then loop the attackers arms under the victim's armpits, and picture the hands still choking the neck. From that, the attacker lifts up and out, in effect rotating the victim clockwise so that he's choking him upside down , the victim's head near the knees of the attacker, and the legs behiund the attackers back.

 

Then sit down tombstone -like, snapping the head.

 

The Finality was a normal full-nelson, but lifting up and backwards, the victim going counter clockwise into a stunner. *osaka street cutter* works close enough

 

to our new champ. congrats. The finish of sj/caboose was not a tapout because caboose doesnt have a submission finisher.

 

and to squash all rumors.

 

bpp/sj is and will no longer activly wrestle. he will however, be back.

 

*cue suspense*

 

i liked the show, and i hope next month is even better

 

i cant wait for the zack calvin rematch

Umm maybe I'm just having a brain fart, but I'm still not getting it. I understand the regular SYNCHRONICITY perfectly, but I'm having trouble seeing how you would turn someone like that while holding them like that.

 

It's like a weird double jointed contortionist move. Or maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Does someone do it in real life where I can maybe find a clip of it?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Here's my rundown of the whole show:

 

- Great opening.

 

- Eskimo vs. Jailbait: Good match. I liked the brawl with the cops, but wouldn't that result in both men being arrested afterwards? So does this mean Jailbait is through or will we see him again someday?

 

- Bizarro is backstage. Pesky cell phones they always act up. Oh and Father isn't anywhere to be found. What does that mean??

 

- More weird stuff from this debuting person. Let's just get on with it already. Who is it?

 

- DM vs. FA: Good but short. PK did a good job writing this. I really should have asked him further ahead of time though and I'm sorry about that. And now we're TWO TIME, TWO TIME!!! Tag Team Champs!!

 

- Great video package for Caboose/Joseph

 

- Ragdoll vs. Mad Matt: I like these matches because they're always so violent and brutal. I'm interested to find out why Josie turned. The only thing was the last minute rule change to a Countout mode. It was a little odd.

 

- More weird stuff from ??? No offense but it's getting a little repetitive.

 

- Bizarro is out and finds that Blurricane is not where he's supposed to be and strange things are going on at Father's house. What is going on???

 

- Jay vs. Reject: Good back and forth match. Nice to see atleast one person got tossed into the water!

 

- More of the cryptic promo stuff

 

- Cappa vs. Axel: I understand that Chosun One hasn't written matches for that long, but you gotta slow down a little. It was a good match, but sometimes you were just rattling off moves without any explanation as to how the wrestler recovered from the move just done to him. Mostly that was in the beginning of the match though. Don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to offer some advice. It was still entertaining, but just incorporate a little more logic.

 

- PRL's Challenge: No offense dude, but I just skimmed this. Too long! Especially for what it was. And MJB told me to put "5 Min. Challenge" on the graphic so it's not my fault it was off.

 

- Shocker vs. Bizarro: Blurricane's back!!! Come on didn't anyone mark out for that?? I'm not going to make comments on the match since I wrote it and I wouldn't be unbiased.

 

- Caboose vs. Joseph: Awesome match. You could feel the emotion and drama, but I just wish I could understand some of BPP's moves. Some still just baffle me as far as mechanics of the move.

 

- Umm this vignette was interesting, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't get a little tedious towards the end. But still good.

 

- Zack vs. Calvin: Fun match, but continuity kind of went out the window towards the end. If one side of the ring's ropes break the rest will be too loose to do anything with pretty much, yet they were being whipped into them and Zack even skinned the cat. How did he do that??? Calvin is a fun character and I'm interested to see how this goes.

 

Overall a good show that was hampered by dropped matches. Hope no one is offended if I was a little harsh on your match.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Gee Tony thanks for letting me know what was going to happen to the feud IDRM and have been planning and building for over a month now.

[Guest Donny Vicious]

This is Ragdoll...my other name isnt working at all...

 

 

anyway...now that I read my match again, I realized how much the finish sucked...I'll do my best to explain it...

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I don't think it sucked. It was just a little odd.

[Zack Malibu 0]

The way I envisioned the ring was that each side had seperate ropes, as opposed to one continuous strand. I know that's not how other rings are set up, but we've gotta be original, right?

[Hank Kingsley 0]

Popick, why do you ALWAYS~ turn the crowd against the face in your big matches? First Angle-plex and now Caboose! Boo-urns!

 

After reading most of the matches, I'm not a fan of all the sports entertainment that goes on. EVERYONE'S finisher is kicked out of, refs are bumped about 50 times...no one can just win clean (well, in most cases anyway).

 

Axel: Transitions are your friend.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Yeah I'm starting to realize that I write in almost a WWE Style. Maybe because it's what I watch the most and I find myself using that style without thinking.

 

Now granted I don't use limited movesets and the piledrivers aren't banned.

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

- PRL's ten minute challenge kinda drags. The four army guys all challenging him gets old after two. I think K-Ness should've come in earlier so you two could've built a better match - the rollup finish seemed rush, and I think you could've built something better had K-Ness been in the ring longer.

PRL's Challenge: No offense dude, but I just skimmed this. Too long! Especially for what it was. And MJB told me to put "5 Min. Challenge" on the graphic so it's not my fault it was off.

 

Like LPYC wrote, the Open Challenge was supposed to be originally 5 minutes. But I wanted to include alot of Navy guys being squashed, while at the same time, have enough time to do a PRL/K-Ness match-up. So I extended it to 10 with the first 5 minutes having PRL squashed the Navy men and the last 5 dedicated to PRL vs. K-Ness. The reason I wrote 4 Navy men being squashed was because I wanted different types of guys being squashed (the average one, the weak one, the big strong muscular one.) to show that PRL could beat anyone, regardless of size. I originally wanted to squash 7 Navy men, but I felt 4 was a right number.

 

As for why the 10 Minute Open Challenge was long considering it was only 10 Minutes, I played SmackDown: Shut Your Mouth as Rock and he took on Brock Lesnar in a 10 Minute Match. I wrote down every move that took place in those 10 minutes to know how many moves I can do in a 10 Minute match. Plus, I had PRL speak on the mic after squashing every Navy man. I think PRL saying he would sing Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" and K-Ness entering the ring to stop PRL's singing was a creative way for K-Ness to enter the match and start the feud.

 

And the finish was decided to be a Rollup was due to wanting to keep both PRL and K-Ness strong for the feud.

 

I liked the rest of the show. Calvin winning the World Title was defintley shocking.

 

Hey Zack Malibu, are you going to do another Scott Keith-type rant for AngleSlam 2: Screams of No Reply? The one for License To Pin was great.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

So what were everyone's thoughts on Blurricane coming back?

[Adam 0]

- Cappa vs. Axel: I understand that Chosun One hasn't written matches for that long, but you gotta slow down a little. It was a good match, but sometimes you were just rattling off moves without any explanation as to how the wrestler recovered from the move just done to him. Mostly that was in the beginning of the match though. Don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to offer some advice. It was still entertaining, but just incorporate a little more logic.

I appreciate the constructive critisism. The match was rushed, and I really apologise for that. I really only had time to do the match 24 hours ago, because of a migrane that I have had since friday. I remembered I had to do the match yesterday! Once again I apoand next time my head won't be thumping, so it won't be as rushed. I've got to slow it down a little more, have a bit more recovery time.

 

And yes, I have to let transitions be my friend.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

For the record LPYC, I LOVE me dat Blurricane, and I'm really digging the feud.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Just wait until IZ. The Blurricane/Bizarro segment will blow you away.

[Tony149 0]

Gee Tony thanks for letting me know what was going to happen to the feud IDRM and have been planning and building for over a month now.

Its not my fault. The people involved in the feud are responsible for their match. I don't babysit whoever is supposed to write a match. They know the deadline set to turn in their promos/matches.

 

Knowing I had no match, I came up with an excuse I felt added heat between the two (bar room fight after a OAOAST house show). I even made it a point for Watts to stress all the matches that didn't take place will ASAP. I even gave the target date of this week's show (hD!) thinking whoever was writing the match will be able to turn it in for HeldDown.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Okay tony. I didn't know that IDRM didn't hand it in.

[Mystery Eskimo 0]

Review-orama, or something:

 

Eskimo-Jailbait:

Hmm. I would rather not have had the blow off to a 3 month feud be the curtain jerker, but nevermind. I wrote the match, which was ok but I would have liked to have done better.

 

Tag titles:

Good solid match with the right team going over. Could do with some definitions- I don't know what stuff like the Afterthought and Knightmare are, although I guess that's my fault for not paying enough attention to HD.

 

Ragdoll-Matt:

Strange ending, Match was going well up to that point and I'd have liked to see it continue in that way. I mark for fish hooking~!

 

Bizarro segment:

This, and the previous one, was excellent for building tension for what's to come...

 

Jay-Reject:

Decent, without getting me really involved- probably because this seemed just a filler feud for Jay, as Reject is only around occasionally.

 

Axel-Cappa:

I think the comments above are fair, but I still enjoyed the match. Hopefully Axel can go on to make the Revolution trophy mean something.

 

PRL challenge:

It did run a little long, and I think 2 navy guys would have been enough, but the K-Ness bit was good and sets up the fued nicely.

 

Bizarro-Shocker:

I really liked this one. The match itself was strong, and the wheelchair down the ramp was a fun dramatic touch. Good to see Blurricane back.

 

Caboose-SJ:

Heated, brutal stuff. Kicking out of the finishers is ok as its a retirement match (as in my jailhouse match). A shame to see SJ go, but Caboose comes out looking like a monster heel.

 

Zack-Calvin:

Match was fun, but didn't hit the heights of the Shattered Dreams match. Ending seemed kinda sudden. The hanging spot was original, but couldn't Zack just have gotten a foot on the apron? Maybe I'm being overly critical

I have mixed feelings on the title change- its rare to be totally surprised like I was when reading that, which is great, but at the same time I'd have liked a bit more build to ending a long title run like that.

But congratulations to CK~! I'm sure Calvin will run with it and get himself super over as a legit champ.

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Laparka, think of a two handed choke hold.  then loop the attackers arms under the victim's armpits, and picture the hands still choking the neck.  From that, the attacker lifts up and out, in effect rotating the victim clockwise so that he's choking him upside down , the victim's head near the knees of the attacker, and the legs behiund the attackers back.

 

Then sit down tombstone -like, snapping the head.

 

The Finality was a normal full-nelson, but lifting up and backwards, the victim going counter clockwise into a stunner.  *osaka street cutter* works close enough

 

to our  new champ.  congrats.  The finish of sj/caboose was not a tapout because caboose doesnt have a submission finisher.

 

and to squash all rumors.

 

bpp/sj is and will no longer activly wrestle.  he will however, be back.

 

*cue suspense*

 

i liked the show, and i  hope next month is even better

 

i cant wait for the zack calvin rematch

Umm maybe I'm just having a brain fart, but I'm still not getting it. I understand the regular SYNCHRONICITY perfectly, but I'm having trouble seeing how you would turn someone like that while holding them like that.

 

It's like a weird double jointed contortionist move. Or maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Does someone do it in real life where I can maybe find a clip of it?

LaParka.

 

Think of the positioning on the styles clash. The victim's legs are in front of the attackers chest.

Just move those legs behind the arms...behind the back. Then pull the victim up by the throat, and just sit down on the knees piledriving him

 

its never been done IRL that i know of..because I dont think the victim can be protected. but its easily possible TO DO.

 

the Finality has been done...its called an Osaka Street Cutter. Its only difference is that it comes off a full nelson suplex rather than a frontal suplex

[Stephen Joseph 0]

Popick, why do you ALWAYS~ turn the crowd against the face in your big matches? First Angle-plex and now Caboose! Boo-urns!

 

After reading most of the matches, I'm not a fan of all the sports entertainment that goes on. EVERYONE'S finisher is kicked out of, refs are bumped about 50 times...no one can just win clean (well, in most cases anyway).

 

Axel: Transitions are your friend.

the decision to turn caboose was a decision caboose and i made.

i think the main thing was...i really WAS retiring, and it made sense for someone so obsessed with me over the past year to go overboard doing it.

 

if you re-read it, it should be noted that no one had turned until AFTER the match. The crowd was still giving mixed reactions, not knowing what to make of either of us. Caboose's hatred of me at the end finishes my wrestling career.

 

the other comment, why finishers being kicked out? I cant speak for any other matches, but for our own, we had built up to it the past month, mentioning numerous times that no one has kicked out of this finisher, and caboose hitting me with his and counting a pinfall, and me hitting him with mine and counting a pinfall. our kicking out of finishers was supposed to tell a story of how much we hated each other, and how much extra fuel that gave us.

 

just so you know.

 

and id like to thank caboose for all the help.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Laparka, think of a two handed choke hold.  then loop the attackers arms under the victim's armpits, and picture the hands still choking the neck.  From that, the attacker lifts up and out, in effect rotating the victim clockwise so that he's choking him upside down , the victim's head near the knees of the attacker, and the legs behiund the attackers back.

 

Then sit down tombstone -like, snapping the head.

 

The Finality was a normal full-nelson, but lifting up and backwards, the victim going counter clockwise into a stunner.  *osaka street cutter* works close enough

 

to our  new champ.  congrats.  The finish of sj/caboose was not a tapout because caboose doesnt have a submission finisher.

 

and to squash all rumors.

 

bpp/sj is and will no longer activly wrestle.  he will however, be back.

 

*cue suspense*

 

i liked the show, and i  hope next month is even better

 

i cant wait for the zack calvin rematch

Umm maybe I'm just having a brain fart, but I'm still not getting it. I understand the regular SYNCHRONICITY perfectly, but I'm having trouble seeing how you would turn someone like that while holding them like that.

 

It's like a weird double jointed contortionist move. Or maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Does someone do it in real life where I can maybe find a clip of it?

LaParka.

 

Think of the positioning on the styles clash. The victim's legs are in front of the attackers chest.

Just move those legs behind the arms...behind the back. Then pull the victim up by the throat, and just sit down on the knees piledriving him

 

its never been done IRL that i know of..because I dont think the victim can be protected. but its easily possible TO DO.

 

the Finality has been done...its called an Osaka Street Cutter. Its only difference is that it comes off a full nelson suplex rather than a frontal suplex

Okay so I'm guessing your legs aren't in front of his arms like a Styles Clash because if they were and you tried to pull him up by the throat you'd trip yourself.

 

So it ends up more like a Ganso Baldo Bomb in the end?

 

And the Finality I guess is an inverted Cutter because if not you'd have to flip them over in mid air.

Edited September 2, 2003 by LaParkaYourCar

[Stephen Joseph 0]

yeah, you can think of it as Albert hitting a baldo bomb, but flipping the dood clockwise so that instead of his back hitting, its his head as albert sits down tombstone style

 

=)