Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Okay, last time we left off Brock was supposed to go over Austin on the RAW he walked out. I forgot who Brock fought instead. As far I know, Austin was supposed to face Eddie Guerrero at KOTR, dunno who was suppose to go over. Flair was the RAW owner and lost his position to a winner take all match with Vince which I'm sure wasn't supposed to happen. Anybody know the original plans for last year during that infamous June time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Okay, last time we left off Brock was supposed to go over Austin on the RAW he walked out. I forgot who Brock fought instead. As far I know, Austin was supposed to face Eddie Guerrero at KOTR, dunno who was suppose to go over. Flair was the RAW owner and lost his position to a winner take all match with Vince which I'm sure wasn't supposed to happen. Anybody know the original plans for last year during that infamous June time? The plan was for Flair and Austin to feud under the usual "Evil Owner" angle, with Eddy Guerrerro and Chris Benoit being Flair's main agents to destroy Austin after the utter failure of the NWO to destroy Austin. The plan was to have Austin "elevate" EG and Benoit, but part of the problem was that Austin was refusing to go along with it. In Austin's eyes, the only elevation he wanted any part of of was his own elevation, with Benoit and Guerrerro being his personal bitches to beat up and belittle. So knowing Austin didn't give a damn about elevating these two, the WWE tried to get him to put over Brock, but Austin threw a temper tantrum cause God forbid he putt someone over instead showing human weakness and actually losing for once in his life.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I forgot who Brock fought instead. Brock defeated Buh-Buh Dudley in a qualifying match for the KOTR tournament. As far as I know, Austin was supposed to be in Buh-Buh's place for the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I actually own the few RAW's that were leading up to Austin's departure. His wrestling (no punches allowed) match with Flair on RAW was really awesome, and is, to me, one of Flair's greatest matches in WWE since returning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I actually own the few RAW's that were leading up to Austin's departure. His wrestling (no punches allowed) match with Flair on RAW was really awesome, and is, to me, one of Flair's greatest matches in WWE since returning. Dude, what are you talking about?! That whole match was chop this and chop that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Perhaps it was not to your liking, which is fine, however I thought it was brilliantly structured and pulled-off. And yes, both men DID do chops. That tends to happen in Flair matches. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anakin Flair 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I thought they wanted to just throw a Austin/Brock match on the Raw he walked out on, without any buildup or advertising, and Austin thought that was a bad idea? Which it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I forgot who Brock fought instead. Brock defeated Buh-Buh Dudley in a qualifying match for the KOTR tournament. As far as I know, Austin was supposed to be in Buh-Buh's place for the job. If this is true, why wouldn't they have had Austin meet Brock in the finals rather than a qualifying match? It would make much more sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Use Your Illusion 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 It surprises me that Austin doesn't wake up to himself. Vince could job Steve to the Brooklyn Brawler EVERY NIGHT for the rest of his life and the fans would never stop loving him (Austin) for a second. What shits me even more is that Austin bitched about top stars never putting HIM over, yet he refused to do the same in the reversed situation. Sad. UYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I forgot who Brock fought instead. Brock defeated Buh-Buh Dudley in a qualifying match for the KOTR tournament. As far as I know, Austin was supposed to be in Buh-Buh's place for the job. If this is true, why wouldn't they have had Austin meet Brock in the finals rather than a qualifying match? It would make much more sense. Because the idea was to put over the Eddy feud. Eddy was supposed to cost Austin the match, I believe as the special guest referee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I forgot who Brock fought instead. Brock defeated Buh-Buh Dudley in a qualifying match for the KOTR tournament. As far as I know, Austin was supposed to be in Buh-Buh's place for the job. If this is true, why wouldn't they have had Austin meet Brock in the finals rather than a qualifying match? It would make much more sense. Because the idea was to put over the Eddy feud. Eddy was supposed to cost Austin the match, I believe as the special guest referee. Right but Austin was being such a whiney bitch that he refused to let Brock get the best of him even under that circumstances.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BifEverchad 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 The best thing I liked around that timeframe was the Karaoke segment. Austin was at a local bar singing, having a few beers when Eddy attacked him, and laid down a Latino beatin' on him! I was so syched for a EDDY/AUSTIN feud... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I forgot who Brock fought instead. Brock defeated Buh-Buh Dudley in a qualifying match for the KOTR tournament. As far as I know, Austin was supposed to be in Buh-Buh's place for the job. If this is true, why wouldn't they have had Austin meet Brock in the finals rather than a qualifying match? It would make much more sense. Because the idea was to put over the Eddy feud. Eddy was supposed to cost Austin the match, I believe as the special guest referee. Right but Austin was being such a whiney bitch that he refused to let Brock get the best of him even under that circumstances.... I read that Austin refused to put over Brock b/c Brock was a new guy and Austin was one of the top superstars, and he thought that (and I think this is a direct quote from Austin) "I (Austin) should be the last guy he faces, not the first." In other words, he was too much of a pride hog to job to Lesnar. Another reason that The Rock is still one of the coolest wrestlers alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted September 5, 2003 According to something i read a while back, Austin wanted to feud with Undertaker. Paul Heyman, who actually had some power at this point, told him to fuck off, and threw him the Eddy feud. Austin, knowing that he could dictate the eventual match into a godawful styles clash, mooched along until he was asked to *gasp* job to Brock, at which point he took his ball, and went home. Prick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted September 5, 2003 The bookers were upset at Austin for vetoing storylines, and rumors at the time stated that Austin believed Brock was to "shoot" on him, to teach him a lesson... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin3164life 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 The main point was that because Austin won the "no punches" match against Flair, Flair was supposed to be his personal assistant on Raw or something of that measure. Then I read that they wanted Austin to job to Brock on Raw in an impromptu match, and to have Eddie as the guest referee. Flair was supposed to be behind the whole thing because "it was ME Austin, it was me all along" was the basis of the Austin/Flair saga. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 According to something i read a while back, Austin wanted to feud with Undertaker. Paul Heyman, who actually had some power at this point, told him to fuck off, and threw him the Eddy feud. Austin, knowing that he could dictate the eventual match into a godawful styles clash, mooched along until he was asked to *gasp* job to Brock, at which point he took his ball, and went home. Prick IIRC, Heyman wanted Hogan to work a feud with Chris Benoit (a longtime pet project Heyman had) upon his return but Austin (in super-duper worthless sack of shit mode) refused to do so upon the return of Benoit from his neck injury and then demanded that he wouldn't work with Benoit unless he got to work a top level feud with the Undertaker for the World Title first. Heyman was super-pissed off at this (especially given that Austin had previously told him that he had no problem doing a program with Benoit) and instead demanded that if Austin wanted a filler feud before Benoit, then that he should work with the recently resigned Eddy Guerrerro. Austin went along begrudgingly and around this time he finally realized that thanks to HHH's backstage manipulations and Vince being more concerned with his new pet project Brock Lesner that his time as the untouchable WWE Golden Boy was over with. So, in order to fuel his ego and generally try and stay the big man no one fucks with, he started demanding that the feud with Eddy Guerrerro and Benoit (who was back by then) be totally one-sided with him making the two his personal bitches the entire time and with them not getting any payback on Austin at all. Desperate to make Austin know his place, the WWE decided one day to try and teach Austin a lesson and told him he would lose to Brock Lesner in a match where EG would be special guest ref. Not wanting to let EG get one over on him OR make Brock Lesner look the least bit good by going over him, even under dubious circumstances, ran home like a little girl. Especially since he knew Brock could legitamitely kick his ass in a shoot fight if Austin refused to go along with the script.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Perhaps it was not to your liking, which is fine, however I thought it was brilliantly structured and pulled-off. And yes, both men DID do chops. That tends to happen in Flair matches. UYI Yes. And an abnormal amount of them [chops] at that. I mean this was approaching the amount of Overhead belly-to-belly suplexes that Steiner did in his match with HHH at RR'03... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 I read that Austin refused to put over Brock b/c Brock was a new guy and Austin was one of the top superstars, and he thought that (and I think this is a direct quote from Austin) "I (Austin) should be the last guy he faces, not the first." Oh sod off. That sounds like a good enough reason to me. Who the fuck puts a green-as-fuck rookie [and don't deny it, you were all calling him green when he first showed up] against a proven main eventer? AND if you're building Brock as a big monster, then it would make no sense to have him getting cheap ass wins over guys because of a over-booked special ref spot. I love how the opinions on this board change with a shift of the wind. Austin walks out = "OH FUCK HIM" Austin is gone for a few months and people start to wax nostalgia = "Man I hope he comes back soon!" And now he's a prick again. A lot of you people are so ass-backwards it makes my head spin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Adrian 3:16 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 JasonX- do you have any sources for your suspiciously detailed descriptions of what went down, other than your obvious personal dislike for Austin? And you're goddamn right he should've been last to face Brock, not the first. When you put someone on a winning streak like that they're supposed to be working up the food chain, not leapfrog to the top of it. Imagine if Goldberg in WCW had started with Hogan and ended with Hugh Morris instead of vice versa. I said the same thing when the Bashams showed up out of nowhere on Smackdown and immediately beat Benoit and Rhyno- it just makes everybody look bad. Also note that when Hogan, Rock, and Undertaker finally were fed to Brock, it was after months of him tearing through the midcard. In marked contrast to Austin, the guy it seemed very much like Vince was trying to actively force out and piss off as much as possible at the time, being the first course of Brock-chow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysPissedOff 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Another reason that The Rock is still one of the coolest wrestlers alive. Oh yeah, that Rocky... So cool that he waited til damn near everyone else was turned into puppy chow for Brock before doing the job... Whatta guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Ok let me see if I got this right I think this was the second time Austin walked out before Raw. Flair and Austin were suppose to have a match but, then Austin walked. So then Raw starts off with Flair acting like a face even thu he was a heel the past months and he faces Vince for the whole ownership of the WWE in a no DQ match and Brock comes in and F5's Flair and Vince wins. That was how it happened right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted September 5, 2003 They had a match the week before...Flair lost and the stip was for him to be personal asst. The plan was for Austin to job to Brock via Eddy's interference to set up a Flair's Group (horsemen) consisting of Flair, Anderson, Eddy and Benoit against Austin... Austin/Eddy was slotted for KOTR with the Benoit/Austin blowoff at Slam... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anakin Flair 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Another reason that The Rock is still one of the coolest wrestlers alive. Oh yeah, that Rocky... So cool that he waited til damn near everyone else was turned into puppy chow for Brock before doing the job... Whatta guy. That's how it should have been done anyways. Feed Brock guys to make him look like a monster (manster?), constantly moving up the food chain untill he reaches teh ME'rs, beat the biggest of the lot (Rocky) and shoot right intot he ME scene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Yes...it makes so much sense for the "greatest WWF champion ever" to job to Brock Lesnar "The Next Big Thing" in the opening match of RAW with no build up. No I totally agree with Austin. That should've been saved.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted September 5, 2003 There's a lot of wild speculation in this topic... I'll just add that I heard that Austin's neck was also a factor in his walkout. He supposedly believed taking some time off would help, but obviously, it didn't. A year of having Benoit and Angle suplex the shit out of you will take it's toll... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Austin made plenty of mistakesa dn got increasingly paranoid at this point, I'd assume. HHH and all that going around plus the fact that he's not being treated as he should have (No I don't mean squashing everyone and feuding with Taker) made him want to try and re-establish himself. I can't blame him for the Brock thing and it sucks that after all he had produced he's now on the verge of being in the doghouse after an incredibly productive (wrestling-wise) 2001 year. It didn't make sense to him that guys were so protected (Much like show, Taker, A-Train and of course Levesque) but he couldn't get the same treatment. Rock wouldn't do that job to Booker for the same reason, and i'm positive he wouldn't have worked so heavily with Hurricane had he known what HHH would do the next few weeks. Austin has been around in there when HBK was running rampant and Bret Hart lost his career. He's seen a lot more than what was also going on at the time. He acted irrationally if those plans for the Eddy/Benoit feuds were correct, but his motives were just. Brock/Austin could have been HUGE and especially around this time if austin were healthy. If that were thropwn out there a year or so ago, it would have been pathetic. Basically, austin is no big fan of miracle pushes or rapid movement up the card without justification. That's not how it used to work when he was on top of things. You can see what happenes when that is all going on. (Giant Gonzles, etc.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Austin wasn't protected? Watch Backlash 2002 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Dan 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 Oh, he was protected off and on, but you don't see these guys go through spells or periods of time when they are jobbed out or made to look second rate. Austin was probably about to get shuffled through like guys like booker or Jericho get, and no one on that level deserves that, just like they don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted September 5, 2003 But none of Austin's jobs made it seem like he was being jobbed out or made to look second rate. He always got screwed out of a match he was supposed to win Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
