The 9/11 SmackMullet! Thread

[ChrisMWaters 0]

When did he say that?

I don't know if HE said it, but that's what the announcers were saying the whole match.

 

Well, off to work for me now.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Cole and/or Tazz mentioned it in the beginning of the match.

[Guest wildpegasus]

QUOTE (RavishingRickRudo @ Sep 11 2003, 09:32 PM)

Rhyno vs. Benoit was particularly good, with both guys beating the living piss out of each other, but it would have been better had they given a reason why Benoit and Rhyno are fighting...

 

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They did give a reason....The commentators broke it down and basically said "A betrayed friendship" and talked about how Rhyno turned on him? What more can they do?

 

WP-I also feel that there hasn't been enough reason given why Rhyno and Benoit are feuding. Rhyno has gotten almost 0 mic time to explan why he betrayed Benoit. Right before Benoit's match against Doink though he said something along the lines of Benoit treating Ryhno like a joke. That's it.

 

A little off topic, but does anyone out there think that they're actually protecting Benoit right now for some type of future push? He's actually been on quite a winning streak lately.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Yeah, the "on the roll" comment raised an eyebrow. Of course, beating Albert and Rhyno isn't exactly the best of ways of rolling given that he has lost to Cena, Ohaire, and the Bashams. *shrugs*, must mean he's gettin to put over Taker~!

 

Cole and Tazz must have been mistaken, _Eddie_ said he was tired of living in Benoits shadow... or is Benoits shadow THAT big?? *groan*

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Yeah, the "on the roll" comment raised an eyebrow.  Of course, beating Albert and Rhyno isn't exactly the best of ways of rolling given that he has lost to Cena, Ohaire, and the Bashams.  *shrugs*, must mean he's gettin to put over Taker~!

Come on Rudo, how many months ago was that?

 

Anyway, Benoit has always been protected to a degree, it's just that now it's a lot stronger than say... last May.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Like, 5 months ago?

 

When did this "If it didn't happen within 3 weeks it never happened" rule come into effect?

 

Benoit was protected when they returned him with no fanfare, hype, build, and then turned him in his hometown?? Right. He was protected after his big title match with Angle where 2 ppvs later he was completely off the card? Must be a pretty small degree... right between protecting Scott Steiner and protecting Ultimo Dragon.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Like, 5 months ago?

 

When did this "If it didn't happen within 3 weeks it never happened" rule come into effect?

Hey, the fanbase is encouraged to forget anything that happened before the last PPV. I'm sure you'll agree. I don't know, do Tazz and Josh say "remember when he beat Chris Benoit last May?" during O'Haire's Velocity matches?

 

Benoit was protected when they returned him with no fanfare, hype, build, and then turned him in his hometown??

 

That was solely for the feud with Austin that didn't occur because of Austin's hissyfit. But in hindsight it annoys me whenever I even think about it.

 

He was protected after his big title match with Angle where 2 ppvs later he was completely off the card?  Must be a pretty small degree...

 

Three PPVs... and did I not say that it was small?

 

Speaking of Dragon, I don't see Benoit on Velocity every week. Look what happened to Dean Malenko 6 months after the Radicalz' debut.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

After watching Angle/Lesnar from SS tonight and having seen their WM match, I have absolutely no desire to see their Ironman match next week. On-paper they were such a good match, but the execution thus far has been horrible (and by horrible I mean - utterly disappointing). Taker has had better matches with Angle and Lesnar than either guy has had with each other. Simply put, they're both too young and inexperienced (yes, including Kurt "The next Ric Flair" Angle) to be pulling off long matches and I can't see how they could pull off 60 minutes (of course, it will be overbooked like a motherfucker and most will say _that_ took away from the match, when in reality it probably saved it from itself.)

[Guest wildpegasus]

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After watching Angle/Lesnar from SS tonight and having seen their WM match, I have absolutely no desire to see their Ironman match next week. On-paper they were such a good match, but the execution thus far has been horrible (and by horrible I mean - utterly disappointing). Taker has had better matches with Angle and Lesnar than either guy has had with each other. Simply put, they're both too young and inexperienced (yes, including Kurt "The next Ric Flair" Angle) to be pulling off long matches and I can't see how they could pull off 60 minutes (of course, it will be overbooked like a motherfucker and most will say _that_ took away from the match, when in reality it probably saved it from itself.)

 

WP-Think Patterson will be planning a lot of this match out?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

But Dragon hasn't jobbed to Ohaire or Cena or the Bashams for absolutely no reason yet, a more horrible fate than Velocity. It's the bashams fer cryin out loud!

 

So by that logic (the one of "it never gets mentioned again so no one remembers it so its ok) they can do ANYTHING THEY WANT, right? I mean, 5 months down the road it won't even be brought up, so let's job out everyone and have em all fuck dead chicks... time is not expendible. They should be held accountable to every decision they make. It was within recent memory and they can't just fix it with two wins over two lower-mid card workers. But hey, they SAY he's on a roll so it must be true just like how they don't say he lost to Cena, Ohaire, Bashams so it's not true... God I love that logik.

 

The notion of Benoit being "protected" is laughable. HHH is protected. Taker is protected. Benoit gets squashed to put them over.

 

*At the time* It was a bad idea. Nevermind this "looking back" crap. To have him go in cold is just looking to sabotage him. Treats him like just-another-wrestler. Then to turn him in his hometown where the first reaction to his new found heel character will be a mixed reaction just seals the deal. No Way Out, Wrestlemania... off of backlash. 2 ppvs later. Of course, he was on a throw-away team in a throw-away match on the WM card too.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I don't know any more. I thought their match at Mania would have been better structured than it was, and their Slam match didn't have the neat twist that Brock vs. Rock had either. I think McMahon is putting his grubby hands on it.

[Austin3164life 0]

I only saw Benoit/Rhyno and Cena/Eddy and both were fun to watch, and Benoit/Rhyno was a well-paced match and I hope they develop the feud into something more concrete. As for Eddy/Cena, the feud is developing nicely, and the Parking Lot Brawl was a fun little fiasco. I hope they don't leave it at that, but since Chavo interfered on Eddy's behalf, I think it'll escalate more.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Maybe it's because I've seen too many late-90's hardcore matches, but I didn't think the parkinglot brawl was anything special. It needed more blood or something. It wasn't very violent and I mean that in the malicious sense - the cerebral sense. It wasn't intense enough. Benoit/Sullivan was a perfect example of that and it was "tame" in terms of plunder and gimmicks. You gotta feel the hate between the two to make a match like that work, and I didn't feel it. Maybe it's me, but the only time I felt it was when Cena was kicking in the door and Eddie just escaped. They should have bladed on the lawnmower (turned off, of course) and maybe referenced Eddies autoaccident of a few years ago to bring more significance to the brawl.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

But Dragon hasn't jobbed to Ohaire or Cena or the Bashams for absolutely no reason yet, a more horrible fate than Velocity. It's the bashams fer cryin out loud!

That is totally a matter of opinion. And Benoit beat the Bashams twice over within 3 weeks of that job.

 

So by that logic (the one of "it never gets mentioned again so no one remembers it so its ok) they can do ANYTHING THEY WANT, right?  I mean, 5 months down the road it won't even be brought up, so let's job out everyone and have em all fuck dead chicks... time is not expendible.  They should be held accountable to every decision they make.  It was within recent memory and they can't just fix it with two wins over two lower-mid card workers.  But hey, they SAY he's on a roll so it must be true just like how they don't say he lost to Cena, Ohaire, Bashams so it's not true...  God I love that logik.

 

Several things here.

 

-OF COURSE they should be held accountable. But will they? Of course not. Right now you have Lesnar favored to win the title next week, even though he's a freakin' crybaby - essentially a bigger Jericho.

-Nowhere did I say that beating A-Train or Rhyno will 'erase' the jobs to Cena, O'Haire or the Bashams.

-WWE logic - where if it's said by the commentators, it's true in their world. That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

 

You're still giving the fans too much credit. Not all of them have the same memory depth as you do.

 

The notion of Benoit being "protected" is laughable.  HHH is protected.  Taker is protected.  Benoit gets squashed to put them over.

 

HHH/Taker protection is so beyond the range it's unbelieveable, and I don't recall an instance where Benoit was "squashed" to put either over.

 

*At the time* It was a bad idea.  Nevermind this "looking back" crap.  To have him go in cold is just looking to sabotage him.  Treats him like just-another-wrestler.  Then to turn him in his hometown where the first reaction to his new found heel character will be a mixed reaction just seals the deal.  No Way Out, Wrestlemania... off of backlash.  2 ppvs later.  Of course, he was on a throw-away team in a throw-away match on the WM card too.

 

Can't disagree there.

 

After watching Angle/Lesnar from SS tonight and having seen their WM match, I have absolutely no desire to see their Ironman match next week. On-paper they were such a good match, but the execution thus far has been horrible (and by horrible I mean - utterly disappointing). Taker has had better matches with Angle and Lesnar than either guy has had with each other. Simply put, they're both too young and inexperienced (yes, including Kurt "The next Ric Flair" Angle) to be pulling off long matches and I can't see how they could pull off 60 minutes (of course, it will be overbooked like a motherfucker and most will say _that_ took away from the match, when in reality it probably saved it from itself.)

 

I don't care if this gets me heat but I will forever have some disdain for the Angle-Lesnar pairup considering all the sacrifices made for their matchups, with the assurances of ***** matches and no doubt, big ratings and buyrates. None of that has happened. Angle's buildup match with Benoit blows any of his matches with Lesnar out of the water. More and more often I'm seeing sentiments of people tired of the pairing, and no doubt, the Iron Man matchup put on free TV next week is evidence of that.

[Austin3164life 0]

Well, the feud hasn't lasted that long so far for it to warrant absolute blood-boiling hatred. Yeah, they both can't stand each other, but nothing has gotten to the point where they legitimately hate each other (to me at least). Stealing someone's tire or stealing someone's throwback jersey shows that Cena and Eddy are showing distaste for each other, and now (hopefully) we'll see some developing hatred between the two. It wasn't a great idea to have a gimmick match already, let alone a parking lot brawl. I guess we'll have to see what will happen and if the feud escalates into something bigger and better.

[Guest wildpegasus]

Quote RRR

The notion of Benoit being "protected" is laughable. HHH is protected. Taker is protected. Benoit gets squashed to put them over.

 

WP-You forgot, Torrie is protected most of all. Yes, it's true that Benoit doesn't get protected like the Undertaker or HHH. What I orginally meant to say that there now seems to be a little effort going on right now to make Benoit look strong and that perhaps it's leading to something.