The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Wasn't really into this one. Didn't like the actor playing Lawson; too Tom Cruise-ish for me.

 

And was there ever an answer to "Why (we) fight"?

[Mole 0]

This episode was so-so this week; maybe it was because last week was SO much better.

 

1. Spike with gold in this episode; it was just like the season 2 Spike, which was my favorite.

 

2. WE NEED MORE LORNE!!! God Damnit, he gets to be in the "cast" and he gets less time. Blah.

 

3. I didn't really like Lawson that much. He was just to blah to me.

 

4. Once again, Spike was GOLD in this episode

 

5. The Inivitive started in 1943. Hmm, that is very interesting.

 

6. I like how the episode ended; Spike and Angel "respecting" each other is always good.

 

That is all I have to say. Next week looks great though. I've always been a fan of muppets.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Ok, after thinking about it, I think I know why they fight... I was expecting to find out why Spike and Angel fight.

 

This episode was actually really "good", especially as a seemingly throw-away show. Established a lot of stuff, did some neat character development, and reflected various themes in the show.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I thoguht the episode was quite good...who knew Angel could pull off a WWII submarine drama.

 

I liked the interaction between Spike and Angel, and Spike definately had that Season 2 vibe going. He could have been more violent though...early Spike definately loved the violence, as well as disobeying authority figures. Sorta wonder where Dru was during that whole thing though.

 

The origin of the Initiative was pretty cool. And you had to like the Prince of Lies, with his excessive laughing and general lameness. And Rasputin's lover. Wacky Vamp hijinks.

 

There's a parallel between Lawson's ideal of "doing what's right" and it just not working out at all, and the Angel's "doing what's right" and it not working out at all. Guess they've been showing stuff like that all season.

[Mole 0]

Alyson Hannigan having an orgasm.

 

[Mole 0]

And Angel had an overnight of a 2.5.

 

OUCH.

[Jingus 0]

Alyson Hannigan having an orgasm.

 

Since I'm in a public library, I dare not click on that. So let me just say, WTF?!

 

Also, I missed the show, dammit. Fucking pre-empting college basketball game. There's no way I'm gonna remember to tape the damn thing at some arbitrary time on Saturday night.

[chaosrage 0]

And Angel had an overnight of a 2.5.

 

OUCH.

That's what they get for killing Cordelia.

[Guest JMA]

Overall I enjoyed this episode. Of course, I always enjoy the flashback episodes of "Angel." But I do wonder why Cordelia wasn't mentioned.

 

Hell, have they even had a funeral for her yet?

[Cavi 0]

Yeah, I also wondered about Cordy. The others seemed like they didn't know about it yet. Hopefully that is resolved next episode.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Holy crap, I'm reading spoilers here and this HAS TO BE the greatest arc of all Joss Whedons shows. This thing goes DEEEEEEEEEP!

[areacode212 0]

Since I'm in a public library, I dare not click on that. So let me just say, WTF?!

 

She's doing the When Harry Met Sally Meg Ryan diner scene.

 

Yeah, I also wondered about Cordy. The others seemed like they didn't know about it yet.

 

This bugged the shit out of me. They should've played that opening scene a little less light-heartedly. It's pretty annoying to watch an episode like "Heartthrob", which is all about Angel's issues over Buffy's death. Then we have Cordy's death, which doesn't seem to affect anyone at all.

 

There's a parallel between Lawson's ideal of "doing what's right" and it just not working out at all, and the Angel's "doing what's right" and it not working out at all.

 

I haven't thought about it much (only saw it last night), and I need to see it again, but I think Lawson was a lot like pre-W&H Angel...he was taking orders with the idea that there was some kind of purpose & meaning behind them. Then, in order to save his men, he ended up changing into something else, and "the mission" changed. Kind of like taking over Wolfram & Hart.

 

Or something like that. I'm too sleepy to be coherent.

 

I enjoyed the Initiative reference.

[Golgo 13 0]

Firstly, the Prince of Lies rocked.

 

I liked the bit with the Initiative, explaining how they came about, although they're still one of my gripes as a whole.

 

I also enjoyed the premise that both Germany and the US were experimenting with vampires, attempting to find the perfect weapon needed to win the war, in a nod of sorts to the nuclear arms race of that time.

 

The final scene was great, especially the last line -- what did Angel say, Lawson was looking for a reason or a purpose? Much like Angel when he was in desperation, feeding on rats when Whistler came to him; and much like Angel now, as a matter of fact. Lawson found a way to get out. Referring to his current dejection, Angel hasn't.

 

All in all, the episode turned out better than anyone could've thought. Not earth shattering or anything, but a good attempt. Although I wasn't too impressed with the guy playing Lawson, and the absence of anything referring to Cordy was disheartening.

[Guest JMA]

I thought the actor playing Lawson had a great look for the part. I mean, he looked exactly like a soldier from that period. The Prince of Lies really didn't seem that powerful for an ancient vampire. He was certainly no Master.

 

Speaking of long-lived vampires, has anyone else considered the fact that because of his time in Hell (hundreds of years) Angel is now much older than 200 something? And we know that vampires get stronger with age.

[Mole 0]

Well, Angel was dead for those 100 years, so he is still 250 years old.

[Guest JMA]

Well, Angel was dead for those 100 years, so he is still 250 years old.

Actually I'm referring to when Buffy sent him to Hell.

[Mole 0]

Yeah me too.

 

He was REALLY dead for those 100 years. Yes, he is dead now, but not the same type of dead.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Just watched "Why We Fight." It was awful. I mean, the Prince of Lies was funny, but this was flat. Boring. Dull writing I'm surprised came from the Goddard/DeKnight team.

 

I can't decide if next week's episode looks brilliant or retarded. I'm leaning towards the latter. Also, what a shitty way to deal with the arcs - barely mentioning at all what happened last week, especially with Cordy, is pretty inexcusable.

 

I'm not a fan of the throwaway episodes/downtime after something happens, even if it is Whedon tradition.

[Guest JMA]

Yeah me too.

 

He was REALLY dead for those 100 years. Yes, he is dead now, but not the same type of dead.

Really? Did they address this in an episode of "Angel" I may have missed?

 

Because I don't remember anything detailed being said about Angel's time in Hell on "Buffy."

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

They mentioned it in Season 3 of Buffy.

 

I believe it was in the episode where Buffy found out he was back. Giles said time moves differently and that he could have been there for what would be a lot longer than time moves here.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Wait, did someone say next week's looks retarded? RETARDED!?!?

 

Does THIS look retarded to you!??!

 

 

 

(don't answer that)

[Jingus 0]

metr0, you sonnofabitch, you just made me laugh SO hard with that pic that I almost got kicked out of the library here. I can't wait.

[Mole 0]

Yeah me too.

 

He was REALLY dead for those 100 years. Yes, he is dead now, but not the same type of dead.

Really? Did they address this in an episode of "Angel" I may have missed?

 

Because I don't remember anything detailed being said about Angel's time in Hell on "Buffy."

What bps said.

 

To be more specific, it was in "Beauty and the Beasts."

 

And that is one funny pic metr0, it is my new backround.

[Guest JMA]

They mentioned it in Season 3 of Buffy.

 

I believe it was in the episode where Buffy found out he was back. Giles said time moves differently and that he could have been there for what would be a lot longer than time moves here.

I already knew that. I was responding to Mole saying Angel was dead during his time in Hell. I don't believe that is stated anywhere in "Buffy."

[Guest JMA]

Yeah me too.

 

He was REALLY dead for those 100 years. Yes, he is dead now, but not the same type of dead.

Really? Did they address this in an episode of "Angel" I may have missed?

 

Because I don't remember anything detailed being said about Angel's time in Hell on "Buffy."

What bps said.

 

To be more specific, it was in "Beauty and the Beasts."

 

And that is one funny pic metr0, it is my new backround.

But I already knew what he said. That wasn't what I meant.

[Guest JMA]

What I'm saying is that Angel was active during those hundreds of years in Hell. Probably being tortured and such. And, as we know, vampires grow stronger the older they are. He wasn't "dead" while the demons were torturing him. Thus, because of his time in Hell he's much older than two hundred now.

[Mole 0]

Eh, that makes sense.

 

However, since he was in Hell, he is really dead. Thus, he wouldn't be any older.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

But the trick is that time moves differently there.

 

A thousand years in hell can be like a year in our world (or whatever) so he would have only aged a year...it would have just taken a thousand years to do so...

[BlackFlagg 0]

if the hell dimension Angel was in was anything like the one Holtz took Connor too than he would have aged just like Connor did...though obviously it wouldn't show on Angel, heh

[Hank Kingsley 0]

Holy crap, I'm reading spoilers here and this HAS TO BE the greatest arc of all Joss Whedons shows. This thing goes DEEEEEEEEEP!

Shut up shut up shut UP! GOD, I can't wait!