Skywarp! 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Love 'em or hate 'em, he's the topic of a lot of interesting threads. Here's the link to the 7 questions he poses to Bush in his new book... Dude, Where's My Country? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Love 'em or hate 'em, he's the topic of a lot of interesting threads. Here's the link to the 7 questions he poses to Bush in his new book... Dude, Where's My Country? Well, on behalf of our President, here goes. I will also include Moore's jack-ass comments as well: Answers please, Mr Bush 1. Is it true that the Bin Ladens have had business relations with you and your family off and on for the past 25 years? As irrelevant a question as is humanly possible. I (Bush, not Mike) and my family are supposed to just figure out that he was going to bankroll an attack on our country TWENTY-FIVE YEARS AFTER WE DEALT WITH HIM? That'd be like blaming the Vienna Art School rejecting him for causing Hitler to conquer Europe or the Yankees not signing him for the rise of Fidel Castro, you tubby sack of goo. Most Americans might be surprised to learn that you and your father have known the Bin Ladens for a long time. What, exactly, is the extent of this relationship, Mr Bush? Are you close personal friends, or simply on-again, off-again business associates? Salem bin Laden - Osama's brother - first started coming to Texas in 1973 and later bought some land, built himself a house, and created Bin Laden Aviation at the San Antonio airfield. The Bin Ladens are one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia. Their huge construction firm virtually built the country, from the roads and power plants to the skyscrapers and government buildings. They built some of the airstrips America used in your dad's Gulf war. Billionaires many times over, they soon began investing in other ventures around the world, including the US. They have extensive business dealings with Citigroup, General Electric, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, and the Fremont Group. According to the New Yorker, the bin Laden family also owns a part of Microsoft and the airline and defence giant Boeing. They have donated $2m to your alma mater, Harvard University, and tens of thousands to the Middle East Policy Council, a think-tank headed by a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Charles Freeman. In addition to the property they own in Texas, they also have real estate in Florida and Massachusetts. In short, they have their hands deep in our pants. Unfortunately, as you know, Mr Bush, Salem bin Laden died in a plane crash in Texas in 1988. Salem's brothers - there are around 50 of them, including Osama - continued to run the family companies and investments. After leaving office, your father became a highly paid consultant for a company known as the Carlyle Group - one of the nation's largest defence contractors. One of the investors in the Carlyle Group - to the tune of at least $2m - was none other than the Bin Laden family. Until 1994, you headed a company called CaterAir, which was owned by the Carlyle Group. After September 11, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal both ran stories pointing out this connection. Your first response, Mr Bush, was to ignore it. Then your army of pundits went into spin control. They said, we can't paint these Bin Ladens with the same brush we use for Osama. They have disowned Osama! They have nothing to do with him! These are the good Bin Ladens. And then the video footage came out. It showed a number of these "good" Bin Ladens - including Osama's mother, a sister and two brothers - with Osama at his son's wedding just six and a half months before September 11. It was no secret to the CIA that Osama bin Laden had access to his family fortune (his share is estimated to be at least $30m), and the Bin Ladens, as well as other Saudis, kept Osama and his group, al-Qaida, well funded. You've gotten a free ride from the media, though they know everything I have just written to be the truth. They seem unwilling or afraid to ask you a simple question, Mr Bush: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? In case you don't understand just how bizarre the media's silence is regarding the Bush-Bin Laden connections, let me draw an analogy to how the press or Congress might have handled something like this if the same shoe had been on the Clinton foot. If, after the terrorist attack on the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, it had been revealed that President Bill Clinton and his family had financial dealings with Timothy McVeigh's family, what do you think your Republican party and the media would have done with that one? Do you think at least a couple of questions might have been asked, such as, "What is that all about?" Be honest, you know the answer. They would have asked more than a couple of questions. They would have skinned Clinton alive and thrown what was left of his carcass in Guantanamo Bay. 2. What is the 'special relationship' between the Bushes and the Saudi royal family? Again, are you ATTEMPTING to make a point, you piss-poor mockumentary director? Geez, no wonder your TV shows and movies sucked so hard. I'm not FOND of them, but we worry about the alternatives, considering that Wahhabism (not the best friends of the U.S) pretty well runs the country. Mr Bush, the Bin Ladens are not the only Saudis with whom you and your family have a close personal relationship. The entire royal family seems to be indebted to you - or is it the other way round? The number one supplier of oil to the US is the nation of Saudi Arabia, possessor of the largest known reserves of oil in the world. When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, it was really the Saudis next door who felt threatened, and it was your father, George Bush I, who came to their rescue. The Saudis have never forgotten this. Haifa, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US, says that your mother and father "are like my mother and father. I know if ever I needed anything I could go to them". A major chunk of the American economy is built on Saudi money. They have a trillion dollars invested in our stock market and another trillion dollars in our banks. If they chose suddenly to remove that money, our corporations and financial institutions would be sent into a tailspin, causing an economic crisis the likes of which has never been seen. Couple that with the fact that the 1.5m barrels of oil we need daily from the Saudis could also vanish on a mere royal whim, and we begin to see how not only you, but all of us, are dependent on the House of Saud. George, is this good for our national security, our homeland security? Who is it good for? You? Pops? After meeting with the Saudi crown prince in April 2002, you happily told us that the two of you had "established a strong personal bond" and that you "spent a lot of time alone". Were you trying to reassure us? Or just flaunt your friendship with a group of rulers who rival the Taliban in their suppression of human rights? Why the double standard? 3. Who attacked the US on September 11 - a guy on dialysis from a cave in Afghanistan, or your friend, Saudi Arabia? bin Laden bankrolled it, Saudi Arabians were, by and large, the terrorists. Jesus Christ, just because your fat doesn't mean you have to be a TOTAL putz. Our intelligence apparatus was pretty well gutted --- blame shan't be assigned as it serves no purpose --- so our knowledge of what was happening before the attack was, at best, spotty. Did Saudi Arabia have a lot to do with it? Yup, but since we have no proof that the Saud family personally had anything to do with it, we have a real hard time saying Saudi Arabia did it, you sanctimonious jerk. And, by most accounts, they were trained at US piloting schools. God, do a little research. I'm sorry, Mr Bush, but something doesn't make sense. You got us all repeating by rote that it was Osama bin Laden who was responsible for the attack on the United States on September 11. Even I was doing it. But then I started hearing strange stories about Osama's kidneys. Suddenly, I don't know who or what to trust. How could a guy sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, hooked up to dialysis, have directed and overseen the actions of 19 terrorists for two years in the US then plotted so perfectly the hijacking of four planes and then guaranteed that three of them would end up precisely on their targets? How did he organise, communicate, control and supervise this kind of massive attack? With two cans and a string? The headlines blared it the first day and they blare it the same way now two years later: "Terrorists Attack United States." Terrorists. I have wondered about this word for some time, so, George, let me ask you a question: if 15 of the 19 hijackers had been North Korean, rather than Saudi, and they had killed 3,000 people, do you think the headline the next day might have read, "NORTH KOREA ATTACKS UNITED STATES"? Of course it would. Or if it had been 15 Iranians or 15 Libyans or 15 Cubans, I think the conventional wisdom would have been, "IRAN [or LIBYA or CUBA] ATTACKS AMERICA!" Yet, when it comes to September 11, have you ever seen the headline, have you ever heard a newscaster, has one of your appointees ever uttered these words: "Saudi Arabia attacked the United States"? Of course you haven't. And so the question must - must - be asked: why not? Why, when Congress released its own investigation into September 11, did you, Mr Bush, censor out 28 pages that deal with the Saudis' role in the attack? I would like to throw out a possibility here: what if September 11 was not a "terrorist" attack but, rather, a military attack against the United States? George, apparently you were a pilot once - how hard is it to hit a five-storey building at more than 500 miles an hour? The Pentagon is only five stories high. At 500 miles an hour, had the pilots been off by just a hair, they'd have been in the river. You do not get this skilled at learning how to fly jumbo jets by being taught on a video game machine at some dipshit flight training school in Arizona. You learn to do this in the air force. Someone's air force. The Saudi air force? What if these weren't wacko terrorists, but military pilots who signed on to a suicide mission? What if they were doing this at the behest of either the Saudi government or certain disgruntled members of the Saudi royal family? The House of Saud, according to Robert Baer's book Sleeping With the Devil, is full of them. So, did certain factions within the Saudi royal family execute the attack on September 11? Were these pilots trained by the Saudis? Why are you so busy protecting the Saudis when you should be protecting us? 4. Why did you allow a private Saudi jet to fly around the US in the days after September 11 and pick up members of the Bin Laden family and fly them out of the country without a proper investigation by the FBI? Concern over repurcussions against possibly innocent people by angry people? Duh. Private jets, under the supervision of the Saudi government - and with your approval - were allowed to fly around the skies of America, when travelling by air was forbidden, and pick up 24 members of the Bin Laden family and take them first to a "secret assembly point in Texas". They then flew to Washington DC, and then on to Boston. Finally, on September 18, they were all flown to Paris, out of the reach of any US officials. They never went through any serious interrogation. This is mind-boggling. Might it have been possible that at least one of the 24 Bin Ladens would have possibly known something? While thousands were stranded and could not fly, if you could prove you were a close relative of the biggest mass murderer in US history, you got a free trip to gay Paree! Why, Mr Bush, was this allowed to happen? 5. Why are you protecting the Second Amendment rights of potential terrorists? I will assume you're being truthful, though with your history as a *giggle* documentarian, I am likely giving you WAY too much credit. Arresting them for POSSIBLE gun violations would serve, precisely, what purpose? I love that you have no problem violating the Second Amendment, but the OTHER ones are sacrosanct. Mr Bush, in the days after September 11, the FBI began running a check to see if any of the 186 "suspects" the feds had rounded up in the first five days after the attack had purchased any guns in the months leading up to September 11 (two of them had). When your attorney general, John Ashcroft, heard about this, he immediately shut down the search. He told the FBI that the background check files could not be used for such a search and these files were only to be used at the time of a purchase of a gun. Mr Bush, you can't be serious! Is your administration really so gun nutty and so deep in the pocket of the National Rifle Association? I truly love how you have rounded up hundreds of people, grabbing them off the streets without notice, throwing them in prison cells, unable to contact lawyers or family, and then, for the most part, shipped them out of the country on mere immigration charges. You can waive their Fourth Amendment protection from unlawful search and seizure, their Sixth Amendment rights to an open trial by a jury of their peers and the right to counsel, and their First Amendment rights to speak, assemble, dissent and practise their religion. You believe you have the right to just trash all these rights, but when it comes to the Second Amendment right to own an AK-47 - oh no! That right they can have - and you will defend their right to have it. Who, Mr Bush, is really aiding the terrorists here? 6. Were you aware that, while you were governor of Texas, the Taliban travelled to Texas to meet with your oil and gas company friends? And I had NO power to tell Texas oil companies that they could not do business with a group that was not the victim of an economic boycott, idiot. They were meeting with them to possibly set up the pipeline. If we did business only with MORAL people, we wouldn't do business with anybody. I don't see you differentiating people who buy your crap books. According to the BBC, the Taliban came to Texas while you were governor to meet with Unocal, the huge oil and energy giant, to discuss Unocal's desire to build a natural-gas pipeline running from Turkmenistan through Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and into Pakistan. Mr Bush, what was this all about? "Houston, we have a problem," apparently never crossed your mind, even though the Taliban were perhaps the most repressive fundamentalist regime on the planet. What role exactly did you play in the Unocal meetings with the Taliban? According to various reports, representatives of your administration met with the Taliban or conveyed messages to them during the summer of 2001. What were those messages, Mr Bush? Were you discussing their offer to hand over Bin Laden? Were you threatening them with use of force? Were you talking to them about a pipeline? 7. What exactly was that look on your face in the Florida classroom on the morning of September 11 when your chief of staff told you, 'America is under attack'? One of profound shock and sadness. Believe it or not, it's not something you can really expect. Well, unless we have the profound benefit of HINDSIGHT that you are using. I have a better question: How would you react if Hostess decided to stop making all those snacks that consist the bulk of your diet? Fucking moron. At least your career in the U.S has always sucked. If you were worth my time, I'd beat the shit out of your artery-clogging ass. On the morning of September 11, you took a jog on a golf course and then headed to Booker elementary school in Florida to read to little children. You arrived at the school after the first plane had hit the north tower in New York City. You entered the classroom around 9am and the second plane hit the south tower at 9.03am. Just a few minutes later, as you were sitting in front of the class of kids, your chief of staff, Andrew Card, entered the room and whispered in your ear. Card was apparently telling you about the second plane and about us being "under attack". And it was at that very moment that your face went into a distant glaze, not quite a blank look, but one that seemed partially paralysed. No emotion was shown. And then ... you just sat there. You sat there for another seven minutes or so doing nothing. George, what were you thinking? What did that look on your face mean? Were you thinking you should have taken reports the CIA had given you the month before more seriously? You had been told al-Qaida was planning attacks in the United States and that planes would possibly be used. Or were you just scared shitless? Or maybe you were just thinking, "I did not want this job in the first place! This was supposed to be Jeb's job; he was the chosen one! Why me? Why me, daddy?" Or ... maybe, just maybe, you were sitting there in that classroom chair thinking about your Saudi friends - both the royals and the Bin Ladens. People you knew all too well that might have been up to no good. Would questions be asked? Would suspicions arise? Would the Democrats have the guts to dig into your family's past with these people (no, don't worry, never a chance of that!)? Would the truth ever come out? Yup, the guy is STILL a bleedin' idiot. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 He does have some good points. And Mike, stop making fat jokes, you're embarrasing yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 (edited) Damn, Mike I was about to come up with 7 fat joke "questions." Oh well, I'll just pray for the heart attack. Here's one non-fat question -- how many drinks do you have to give a woman in order for her to let you slide your penis inside of her? EDIT: The question is for Moore, not you SC... Edited October 6, 2003 by kkktookmybabyaway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 6, 2003 He does have some good points. And Mike, stop making fat jokes, you're embarrasing yourself. The guy's an idiotic, crap filmmaker who also happens to be morbidly obese. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Moore's obsession with Bush is disturbing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Post a pic and write a book. Then I'll get back to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 6, 2003 It's called making up for a lack of talent by using famous people's names. See also Al Franken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 OK. Someone get me a video camera so I can harass some 90-year old security guard working in a corporation's lobby. Coming soon, the book written by Mikey's traveling companion -- Dude, where's my Big Mac?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Why does it matter if Mike rags on the guy. People still make fun of Rush Limbaugh's weight even after he lost it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Post a pic and write a book. Then I'll get back to you. So because some book publisher finds someone harrassing security guards to be funny makes Moore's opinion automatically valid? Didn't know that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Post a pic and write a book. Then I'll get back to you. So because some book publisher finds someone harrassing security guards to be funny makes Moore's opinion automatically valid? Didn't know that But it is funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 6, 2003 I call it being an asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 But it is funny. And so is making fun of his weight/looks. Oh, I was watching Bill Mahr's HBO show last week, and tubby was on. He said that he was an Independent. Please... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Post a pic and write a book. Then I'll get back to you. So because some book publisher finds someone harrassing security guards to be funny makes Moore's opinion automatically valid? Didn't know that But it is funny. I call it hypocritical. Michael Moore: Protecting the little man- unless they're a securty guard doing their job Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Oh, I was watching Bill Mahr's HBO show last week, and tubby was on. He said that he was an Independent. Now that's funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Michael Moore: Protecting the little man- unless they're a securty guard doing their job But he's keeping those people at the neighborhood buffet gainfully employed. Not sure if he's a good tipper, though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 6, 2003 He probably leaves autographed copies of his "documentaries" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 He probably leaves autographed copies of his "documentaries" If I was a waiter, I'd rather take the dollar -- even though it would probably be covered in grease and whipped cream... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 6, 2003 OK. Someone get me a video camera so I can harass some 90-year old security guard working in a corporation's lobby. Coming soon, the book written by Mikey's traveling companion -- Dude, where's my Big Mac?... ACTUALLY, to REALLY understand Moore, you need to INVENT the entire altercation with SAID security guard. Oh, then bitch and moan at book store employees when you're there for book signings because you didn't get a limo, etc. -=Mike ...You also need to have movies and a TV show that nobody actually watched. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 He does have some good points. Not really. He's just continually trying to hint at Bush being in cahoots with the terrorists in some way or another. Personally, I love how he tries to interpret Bush's face when he was told about 9-11. It's beautiful show of ego to watch the guy try to twist that to his own needs. Edit: And just to note, I hear about this guy more than any of you could because I have a socialist Flint boy sharing my suite with me. Oh joy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Damn, Mike I was about to come up with 7 fat joke "questions." Oh well, I'll just pray for the heart attack. Here's one non-fat question -- how many drinks do you have to give a woman in order for her to let you slide your penis inside of her?... How many drinks? Hmm, good one. Do I have to be the one buying them, or could I have approached her AFTER she was already blitzed? -=Mike --- TSM: Killing romance one day at a time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Post a pic and write a book. Then I'll get back to you. Can't I just be sanctimonious and obnoxious? Writing a crappy book seems like an awful lot of work to leave for ghostwriters. Or should I add in the morbid obesity and lack of personal grooming? -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JumpinJackFlash Report post Posted October 6, 2003 Michael Moore is funny! I like picking on him on Book TV and kicking his ass in Smackdown 4. That's right, I created Michael Moore, and put him in a Hell in a Cell match against KANE! Squash match indeed. I can't wait til Smackdown 5, where I'll create Billy Mays and Chef Tony. Then have an Elimination Chamber match, including Goldberg, Brock Lesnar, and Kane! I'll make sure those three destroy the fat-non-wrestlers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 But it is funny. And so is making fun of his weight/looks. MICHAEL MOOREFAT LOL2003!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2003 What a pathetic display by Moore. Some of his comments border on self-parody; his fear-mongering over the Bin Laden family (who have no relations with Osama, one brother referred to him as a "black sheep"), and the Saudis makes him sound like some of the people he loves to rip on the most. Moore really seems to have a bug up his ass about Bush, and his insults towards Bush are his weakest, least witty material ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 7, 2003 What a pathetic display by Moore. Some of his comments border on self-parody; his fear-mongering over the Bin Laden family (who have no relations with Osama, one brother referred to him as a "black sheep"), and the Saudis makes him sound like some of the people he loves to rip on the most. Moore really seems to have a bug up his ass about Bush, and his insults towards Bush are his weakest, least witty material ever. Moore's "Weakest material"? Wow. For Mikey, that is saying A LOT. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 7, 2003 It's called making up for a lack of talent by using famous people's names. See also Al Franken. Franken has more talent then your entire family. Stuart Smalley alone, deserves your respect. I may not agree with some of his political views (or your views for that matter) but I agree, that son of a bitch has a great sense of humor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2003 It's called making up for a lack of talent by using famous people's names. See also Al Franken. Franken has more talent then your entire family. Stuart Smalley alone, deserves your respect. I may not agree with some of his political views (or your views for that matter) but I agree, that son of a bitch has a great sense of humor. Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 7, 2003 I found Franken funny. But that was a long time ago. And you can't deny that he uses Rush Limbaugh's and Fox News' names to sell books. And the fact that he feels the need to go around and pick fights with various Fox News employees just shows how pathetic he's become. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
