NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 The One explained "The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then "The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the Matrix. These are all brought out of the Matrix program and into the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off. The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be brought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt. So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated. Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix. So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the French bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from the second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier. The correct door in the Architect's room Now there are two possibilities here: 1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they "carry" thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23 people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who freed the first of us," - basically the One previous to Neo. And this proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. How was Neo able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker than the others." Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other door. 2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door. Morpheus and Trinity are programs. Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One by getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named Trinity. The Architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it." He was correct though because she did die just like Neo did in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!). The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left door: The Architect - "Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race." Neo - "You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive." The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world." Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die. Also, there is likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible from the Matrix, then those people won't die. This will be the start of the next Zion. As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading! Agent Smith explained Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world. He's the one spreading himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get out of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, "I must get out of here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key," squeezing Morpheus's temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here!" Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off. It was originally killing Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix. So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix? He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described humans at the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus." But who put him there? This will only be revealed in Revolutions (Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world, i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - Agent Smith. So the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!! Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix (remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) - as a virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and thus inherited some of Neo's. The anomaly explained The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control." This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as explained earlier under "The One explained". However, he is also supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may fulfil his purpose. Further proving Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the anomaly, the Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." The clue here is Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (One) gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of the One anomaly unable to be eliminated. What is the equation then? Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidently, is an anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the power plant system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of the Matrix! Then there's 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in in Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a Trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th Matrix. Trinity means 3. Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to? The Architect says, "Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the co-creator is neither Persephone nor the Oracle. Both of them are only programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. The Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that woman is the Head Counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in Zion and the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting. She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one who told Zion's Defence Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his work so things could go as planned. Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God - which is why Seraph protects her - see "Who is Seraph?" below. What's so special about Neo's avatar? Neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the Matrix is based on the person that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took over the world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at the beginning of Matrix 1. It said "DISC AI" on it. The hollowed book Neo takes the disc out of is "Simulacra and Simulation" - a collection of essays by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it to the section "on Nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.). "Baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. The model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real." And Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc contains the key to the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I think they'll use this info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to. Who is Seraph? The reason Seraph (the *beep* guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural "seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will obviously have a big part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the humans?? That is the question. The Twins They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the Oracle explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed one of the Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? No of course not. The doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without the Keymaker's key. So if it were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into ghost form, the Twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the Twin's body. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agree, Disagree? What are your thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Well...that does make sense. Whoever wrote this had way to much time on their hands though. It still doesn't mention who the hell that guy was in the resturant before they met the french guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Did you come up with that by yourself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Lemme just say if Revolutions doesn't give a suitable explanation, I will fucking riot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Lemme just say if Revolutions doesn't give a suitable explanation, I will fucking riot. If that IS the explaination, then this will be one of the most intricately written movies EVER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 (edited) ...that takes a lot of liberty with the viewers suspension of disbelief and imagination Edited October 17, 2003 by RavishingRickRudo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 If you came up with that by yourself then you must be an honor philosophy student and an honor math student. Because to truly understand everything about the Matrix you'd probably have to read all the philosophical books that the Warchowski Brothers have read. Because that's all the Matrix is. It's a big philosophy statement. I'm a philosophy minor but I don't understand half of it. They've taken so much from so many different philosophers over the years.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 If you came up with that by yourself then you must be an honor philosophy student and an honor math student Or works at the multiplex movie theater and have seen it more than 5 times. What if Agent Smith is THE ONE of the machine world? In the Ying Yang idealogy there is an equal (Neo = Good) and (Smith = Evil) without one there cannot be the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 The "smith is a virus" thing blew my mind... I never really made the connection before. The number stuff is too high concept for me to buy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wrestlingbs Report post Posted October 17, 2003 If that IS the plot of the Matrix then the Warchowski brothers better be prepared for a riot when Revolutions comes out. The Architect scene was one of the most ridiculed things about the movie (see the MTV Movie Awards) because it was so deep and complicated most of the casual audience didn't like it. I mean, who wants to see the directors dive into a speech involving multiple levels of living and predestined "big brother" control during an action movie? As cool as the Matrix's plot is, the fight scenes are the core part of the Matrix. And if during the third movie they decide to drop THAT onto people's laps, expect some people to walk out angry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Well I think the movie really is about explaining various schools of philosophy rather than action. The action is what draws the fans in...and there's enough to keep them staying....but while they're there waiting for the fights they're being educated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 If that IS the plot of the Matrix then the Warchowski brothers better be prepared for a riot when Revolutions comes out. The Architect scene was one of the most ridiculed things about the movie (see the MTV Movie Awards) because it was so deep and complicated most of the casual audience didn't like it. I mean, who wants to see the directors dive into a speech involving multiple levels of living and predestined "big brother" control during an action movie? As cool as the Matrix's plot is, the fight scenes are the core part of the Matrix. And if during the third movie they decide to drop THAT onto people's laps, expect some people to walk out angry. You know what? FUCK the general audience. BLAH BLAH ACTION ACTION ACTION. These guys wrote a great story, and that scene with the Architect was actually my favorite of the movie. This has to be the first movie that got bad reviews BECAUSE it had a story and not just action action action. It was strange to me when the backlash came seeing as the first wasn't exactly one big action scene. What made it good was its incredible story and the story carried over to this one. I like to think when I see a film. I like it to have depth and thought. It has the action for those that want to sit and watch and not think and has enough mind to intrigue the film fans out there. I never considered the Matrix a Action movie myself. It puts it in a group of films that it doesn't belong. I can't think of a single action film that had this much thought behind it. I liken it to a Lord of the Rings type adventure movie that isn't short on action, but the story is what the core of it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Its a traditional martial arts + european "is this a dream or the real world" + american blow up shit themes all in one film. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 17, 2003 No, Ripper. The Matrix Reloaded did NOT get ripped because it "had a story." It got ripped because it exposed the Wachowskis' largest fault in their storytelling skills: they are seemingly incapable of blending exposition with action like Cameron, or doing good exposition very quickly like Raimi. They must weigh down the movie with many, many weighty dialogues that really hurt the pacing of the film. It's true of the original as well, but the original's huge twist midway, and awesome array of cinematic treats (great visuals, mysterious characters, kung fu) kinda distracts the viewer from this till the final half hour when the Wachowskis put away the textbooks and start directing action. The Wachowskis' second largest fault is intimatly tied with their first: they are the most pretenious screenwriters EVER. This quote for example: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control." I should NEVER hear dialogue like that coming from a science-fiction film. That's writing down to the viewers and using big mathematical terms for the sake of using them. Shit like that didn't happen in the first Matrix because the WB people looked at it and said: "What the fuck was that? Write it so people will listen to it."That could've easily been put into much simpler terms. Couple that with the lines being said in a monotone voice quickly, and you can understand why people didn't love the scene. Third, for the most part, the people who saw this film were looking for gunfights in the action scenes, not kung fu. The gunfights were what MADE the final sequences of The Matrix, and for it's sequel not feature a single one is... stupid. Or at least a mixture of the two. The wirework is only great for so long, then it's just hokey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Well, I honestly think it would be more accurate to title your subtitle as speculation as opposed to spoilers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 That's one of the reasons I dislike the Matrix Zsasz. Plus it was just built up to me like the greatest movie ever by everyone. Then I watched it and thought "Eh..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 My head hurts so fucking much after reading that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 18, 2003 That's one of the reasons I dislike the Matrix Zsasz. Plus it was just built up to me like the greatest movie ever by everyone. Then I watched it and thought "Eh..." I loved the original Matrix the first half-dozen times I saw it. I can barely get through it now. The first one has bunch of awesome stuff in it, and the last half hour is just breath-taking, but it got over hyped to all hell. Remember the original campaign? WHAT IS THE MATRIX? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackFlagg 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 My head hurts so fucking much after reading that. want your head to really hurt, read this http://www.ngemu.com/forums/printthread.ph...?threadid=38092 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 18, 2003 My head hurts so fucking much after reading that. want your head to really hurt, read this http://www.ngemu.com/forums/printthread.ph...?threadid=38092 Wow... that guy is certainly one pompous ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackFlagg 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 My head hurts so fucking much after reading that. want your head to really hurt, read this http://www.ngemu.com/forums/printthread.ph...?threadid=38092 Wow... that guy is certainly one pompous ass. And just how is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boner Kawanger 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Here, I'll explain EVERYTHING in one simple sentence: "Prime is 23-35." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Let's say for instance that all of that stuff is actually accurate. How the FUCK is this going to be entertaining at all? Let's face it, having Neo be a rep of the Machine world and Smith being the rep of the Humans is such a total reversal from everything we've seen that the whole audience would revolt and throw shit at the screen (unless they are hopelessly confused). In all this analysis of the plotline, I think a couple of things have been overlooked: 1. The Matrix series has characters who suck and aren't interesting, and it's hard to understand their motivations. 2. The plotline is very intricate to be sure, but it's also boring as all fuck and makes no real sense. In this wild attempt to mindfuck the viewer, the Wachowskis have forgotten that in the 3rd film they need a slam bang finish with Neo kicking the shit out of everyone, freeing the people from the Matrix, etc. Guess what? It can't possibly happen! This is the corner they've written themselves into. There is literally no good that can come from this. Here's the story ideas that I have either heard or come up with: --Neo and Co. destroy the Matrix for good (how this can happen I'm not sure), everyone is freed. Let's see, we have a huge amount of characters who would be totally gone (all agents, Architect, Oracle, French dude, etc). Also since 99% of the people PREFER the Matrix anyway they might be just a little bit pissed at these self righteous pricks "freeing" them from something they had no desire to be free of to begin with! Hell, they're more liable to riot and kill Neo, Morpheus, and Trinity once they realize their nice phony life is gone and now they live in a scorched earth shithole. Result: Audience riots and throws popcorn at the screen. --Another theory is the one listed above in this thread. This would be such a total and complete mindfuck on the audience that everyone would either go home extremely confused, or perhaps outright pissed. Result: Audience throws popcorn and nearly riots. --I've also heard a really goofy rumor that Neo will just wake up at his keyboard and it will have been a dream. Result: Audience burns down the theater. Now, unless the Wachowski Bros. completely rewrite the bullshit rules that they themselves came up with....there is simply no way that Matrix Revolutions can end in a satisfactory way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Yeah I was thinking....if I was in the Matrix...I WOULDN'T WANT TO LEAVE. Why the hell would I want to go from living real life to living in a piece of shit destroyed earth? q Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just J Report post Posted October 18, 2003 For anyone who cares, here is a complete spoiler for Revolutions...IT IS A COMPLETE SPOILER OF THE MOVIE! DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON"T WANT TO KNOW! COMPLETE REVOLUTIONS *SPOILERS!* PICS INCLUDED! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Well that is the problem now isn't it? It takes forever to really understand exactly what our heroes are trying to accomplish, and I'm not even sure THEY know half the time. Are they wanting to: 1. Free everyone from the Matrix? 2. Just keep their little shitty life in Zion from being destroyed and fuck everyone else in the Matrix? I ask you, if tomorrow you suddenly wake up and find yourself confronted by a stern looking bald black man who said your life had been unreal and a lie, and that he "freed" you from it to live in a post apocalyptic hellhole with no sun and a scorched earth......what would you do? I'd kill the bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 To be free. F = 7 R = 18 E = 5 E = 5 7+18 = 25 5+5 = 10 2 x 5 = 10 10 X 10 = 100 1+0+0 = 1 1 = ONE = NEO THEREFORE FREE = NEO ...I really don't buy the number stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted October 18, 2003 My head hurts so fucking much after reading that. want your head to really hurt, read this http://www.ngemu.com/forums/printthread.ph...?threadid=38092 Wow... that guy is certainly one pompous ass. And just how is that? Did you READ the thing? The guy is a cocky little shit. Just because he's familiar with Plato, that doesn't mean he's smarter then anyone else. He sounds like a throughly educated jackass. A guy who's worked up one little theory and can't help be smarmy as he reveals each piece in his Machivellian little explination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 18, 2003 Oh brother. I just read that whole spoiler page outlining the whole movie. It's not really any of the 3 premises I mentioned above. In fact after reading it I think it's actually WORSE than a couple of those premises. It's certainly not as imaginative as the premise that began this thread. If this spoiler stuff is true, I shall be armed with my popcorn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just J Report post Posted October 18, 2003 They are wrong. It doesn't matter what they say. It's cool to speculate, but the truth is there for whoever wants to see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
