Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Battie's knees are still fucked up, don't expect him to get as many minutes as he has in the past All you Toine haters need to go look at the man's stats and realise he wasn't just playing his position but running the offense as well because we had NO TRUE PG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shanghai Kid 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Man, I don't see how this makes Boston a better team. Antoine might jack up a lot of 3's, but he still puts up the stats. Pierce might lead the league in scoring now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ant_7000 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2003 I don't think Boston will be a better team. Pierce definitely has to carry this team now more than before. But their team defense is pretty good. If Lafrentz don't play soft, Welsch (having a good Preseason) and Banks plays well enough they might make the playoffs but there's alot of "If's" on this team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Just a FYI..kinda interesting stats Tony Battie: 7.3 PPG(67 Games) Paul Pierce: 26 PPG(79 Games) Eric Williams: 9 PPG(82 Games) Vin Baker: 5.1 PPG(52 Games) Walter McCarty: 6 PPG(82 Games) Also I'm pretty high on Kendrick Brown and think he could help out quite a bit on the scoring front(9-13 PPG). Also Jumaine Jones averaged 9.8 PPG in 80 Games so when he comes back, he could be good for 10-15 PPG). Raef Lafrentz had 9.2 PPG in only 69 Games and should see that go up somewhat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 20, 2003 Only way I like this trade is if we miss the playoffs and somehow get the #1 overall pick in the draft then grab Okafer(sp?) from UCONN I think Ainge is rebuilding around Pierce and he doesn't have to do that...I'm sure he could have moved Baker's contract if he was willing to take on a good portion and end up saving just as much cash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2003 I say the Celtics try to get Jacques Vaughn, Scott Pollard and Greg Ostertag, since it looks like they're trying to reunite the suck squad from the mid-late 90's Kansas team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Looking at pre-season stats, Jiri Welsch can score as he scored 15 points, 19 points and 15 points in 3 games. Lafrentz had 10 boards & 11 points in 1 game so if he gets enough touches, he's capable of being solid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 This is going to be a long season with my two favorite NBA teams being the Sonics and Celtics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Well, I'm sorry guys, but as a person who follows the Mavs...Raef is a stiff. A stiff who can show flashes of skills, but he's a stiff. I think this is just a bad deal overall for the Celtics, as they'll probably wind up with nothing in Mills, a streaky scorer, and a PF in the next draft. Meanwhile, the Mavs have some issues to take care of. They are looking to now have Jamison come off of the bench and be the sixth man, and I guess have Walker at pf, Dirk at sf, maybe the return of Bradley at c, then Nash and Finley in the backcourt. It's going to be hard for everyone to get touches, and for them to designate someone to be "the man". I vote for Dirk. Funny, because when I heard about this deal, I immediately thought about Eddy Najera. The Mavs so cannot lose him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 21, 2003 They interviewed Ainge on Fox Sports New England Sports Tonight program and Ainge says more than anything it frees up enough cash to where they'll have $7mill towards the cap. I still don't like the deal though. There's also a good chance that the next guy to be traded is Eric Williams as Ainge is rebuilding and wants his guys in there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fett 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 The Celts got majorly screwed. They just took on the worse contract in the NBA. Lafrentz is due almost 65 million for the next 6 years. Dallas has been BEGGING for someone to take on that contract. Walker has a bad contract as well, but at least his ends after next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Just curious, how much was Walker set to make? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Vin Baker's contract is still worse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fett 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 At least Baker's contract is shorter. A couple more seasons and Baker will be off the books. They're stuck paying Lafrentz (a role player, at most) almost 11 million per season for the next 6 years! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 21, 2003 At least Baker's contract is shorter. A couple more seasons and Baker will be off the books. They're stuck paying Lafrentz (a role player, at most) almost 11 million per season for the next 6 years! Ainge wants him here for that long. He likes how he's a big man that can run the court in transition...maybe he'll dominate due to their being hardly any big men in the East. As a Celtics fan I have to find some positive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarleyQuinn 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 Raef is pretty damn good at least judging from his tenure in Denver... Hell his career numbers! 7.1 Rebounds per Game 12.2 Points per Game 2.22 Blocks per Game Raef had 10+ PPG every single season with the exception of last season with Dallas. Same goes for 7+ RPG every season so the dude is quite capable of not only being consistent but being a solid force in the paint as well. Ranked 2nd in the NBA in Blocks and BPG in 2001-2002. In 1999-2000, ranked 8th in the NBA so he's also quite good at getting blocked shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mw679 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 To everyone who's mentioned Chris Mills, he's injured and most likely won't play this season. After that, he's gone(only one year left on that Pitino contract.) Rumor has it that Ainge is shopping Battie, possibly for Rasheed Wallace. I don't know if I like that one, this guy seems to be a locker room cancer.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2003 From what I hear on Ainge, he will wait til next year for another major move. Most likely will be involving using their Mid-Level exemption to get a top Free Agent. I don't mind the trade all THAT much as of right now. After I watch and see exactly what Raef can bring to the table despite what people say about him. I also believe that Jiri Welsch was a pretty big part of that deal in the long run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I say the Celtics try to get Jacques Vaughn, Scott Pollard and Greg Ostertag, since it looks like they're trying to reunite the suck squad from the mid-late 90's Kansas team Hell, the Celtics can have Ostertag next season as that ungodly long contract comes to an end. I think the deal was not bad for the Celtics, but I also agree Antoine gets unfairly shit on too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 woohoo, Antoine might be coming back due to Raef's ankle being shit. They just had it on Fox Sport Tonight New England show. I pray to god he comes back. Toine also says Ainge never gave him a chance or spoke to him until he traded him. Ainge shouldn't be running this team, he couldn't coach a team to victory and also said "When I looked at Antoin I thought of Fat Albert with no face running the floor"...what a dick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Raef is pretty damn good at least judging from his tenure in Denver... Hell his career numbers! 7.1 Rebounds per Game 12.2 Points per Game 2.22 Blocks per Game Raef had 10+ PPG every single season with the exception of last season with Dallas. Same goes for 7+ RPG every season so the dude is quite capable of not only being consistent but being a solid force in the paint as well. Ranked 2nd in the NBA in Blocks and BPG in 2001-2002. In 1999-2000, ranked 8th in the NBA so he's also quite good at getting blocked shots. Those numbers aren't good enough for a Top 10 pick in the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 woohoo, Antoine might be coming back due to Raef's ankle being shit. They just had it on Fox Sport Tonight New England show. I pray to god he comes back. Toine also says Ainge never gave him a chance or spoke to him until he traded him. Ainge shouldn't be running this team, he couldn't coach a team to victory and also said "When I looked at Antoin I thought of Fat Albert with no face running the floor"...what a dick Uh, Danny Ainge is a GREAT NBA coach with a GREAT record. Took a 0-13 Suns team to the playoffs and ALMOST out of the first round, and had a great season the next year. Ainge QUIT coaching, he never got fired. I think he is a great guy to run a team. And Danny Ainge joked about alot of players when he was an announcer. Thats just plain nitpicking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 Raef is pretty damn good at least judging from his tenure in Denver... Hell his career numbers! 7.1 Rebounds per Game 12.2 Points per Game 2.22 Blocks per Game Raef had 10+ PPG every single season with the exception of last season with Dallas. Same goes for 7+ RPG every season so the dude is quite capable of not only being consistent but being a solid force in the paint as well. Ranked 2nd in the NBA in Blocks and BPG in 2001-2002. In 1999-2000, ranked 8th in the NBA so he's also quite good at getting blocked shots. Those numbers aren't good enough for a Top 10 pick in the draft. Those numbers are better than most top 10 draft picks. Do we really want to compare the numbers of Sharone Wright, Acie Earl, Lindsey Hunter, Calbert Cheney, Lamond Murry, Eric Montross, Shawn Bradly,...I could do this for days. Literally. In Denver, he was hovering around the 15 point a game marker. In Dallas, 9. And lets not forget, the guy shoot 50+ percent from the field which will be a considerable step up from Walkers 38%. AND he can rebound and block shots. The Celtics do lose their floor leader and playmaker, and that will be HUGE. That is the main thing I see them having to try and overcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 woohoo, Antoine might be coming back due to Raef's ankle being shit. They just had it on Fox Sport Tonight New England show. I pray to god he comes back. Toine also says Ainge never gave him a chance or spoke to him until he traded him. Ainge shouldn't be running this team, he couldn't coach a team to victory and also said "When I looked at Antoin I thought of Fat Albert with no face running the floor"...what a dick Uh, Danny Ainge is a GREAT NBA coach with a GREAT record. Took a 0-13 Suns team to the playoffs and ALMOST out of the first round, and had a great season the next year. Ainge QUIT coaching, he never got fired. I think he is a great guy to run a team. And Danny Ainge joked about alot of players when he was an announcer. Thats just plain nitpicking. He said the fat Albert remark after trading him. That gave me the impression of Ainge seeing Antoin as a joke and he wasn't even going to give the man a chance. I don't remember the Suns doing as well under him...of course its not hard to make the playoffs in the NBA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 The suns went 40-34 in his first year, after a 0-13 start(Cotton Fitzsimmons quit after 0-8 and Robert Horry/Sam Cassell were both playing like crap for Danny's first 5 games) They went 56-26 in 1997, his first full year as head coach 27-23 in the lockout year(I don't think you can hold anything that happend this year against the coaches) And was 13-7 in 1999 before he quit. He is a DAMN good coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 The suns went 40-34 in his first year, after a 0-13 start(Cotton Fitzsimmons quit after 0-8 and Robert Horry/Sam Cassell were both playing like crap for Danny's first 5 games) They went 56-26 in 1997, his first full year as head coach 27-23 in the lockout year(I don't think you can hold anything that happend this year against the coaches) And was 13-7 in 1999 before he quit. He is a DAMN good coach. ok, but you can't agree with making fun of a player after trading him. Especially when that player has been a leader and the heart and soul of the team for years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 The suns went 40-34 in his first year, after a 0-13 start(Cotton Fitzsimmons quit after 0-8 and Robert Horry/Sam Cassell were both playing like crap for Danny's first 5 games) They went 56-26 in 1997, his first full year as head coach 27-23 in the lockout year(I don't think you can hold anything that happend this year against the coaches) And was 13-7 in 1999 before he quit. He is a DAMN good coach. ok, but you can't agree with making fun of a player after trading him. Especially when that player has been a leader and the heart and soul of the team for years To be honest, I still haven't seen that quote anywhere. if he DID say it, then yeah, that wrong, but every quote I have seen on the situation has not been any making fun of Antione. He did say that he felt Twan's presense stiffled the leadership abilities of other players(and we all know he was basically saying Paul Pierce here) and that he felt that his overall influence over the team was more negative than positive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 The suns went 40-34 in his first year, after a 0-13 start(Cotton Fitzsimmons quit after 0-8 and Robert Horry/Sam Cassell were both playing like crap for Danny's first 5 games) They went 56-26 in 1997, his first full year as head coach 27-23 in the lockout year(I don't think you can hold anything that happend this year against the coaches) And was 13-7 in 1999 before he quit. He is a DAMN good coach. ok, but you can't agree with making fun of a player after trading him. Especially when that player has been a leader and the heart and soul of the team for years To be honest, I still haven't seen that quote anywhere. if he DID say it, then yeah, that wrong, but every quote I have seen on the situation has not been any making fun of Antione. He did say that he felt Twan's presense stiffled the leadership abilities of other players(and we all know he was basically saying Paul Pierce here) and that he felt that his overall influence over the team was more negative than positive. It showed him saying it on a local sports radio talk show. They had cameras in there filming him(god only knows why as I haven't seen them actually show any of the sports talk radio shows on TV) and they aired his comments on Fox Sports Tonight New England. Antoine still being the proffesional he is was told and at his Mavs meet the press conference said "I have nothing to say, I'll let my play do the talking for me.". IMHO he was never a poor attitude on the team, always trying to pump guys up and if he was on the bench taking a breather he would get up and cheer on his teamates and everything. I hope Raef is injured and Toine does come back, then I hope Ainge can't find another taker so we can watch the man just play his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I'm sure the Knicks would be the first to offer Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. I swear if I think if I thought about getting rid of my sofa, the Knicks would offer Kurt and Charlie to me for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted October 22, 2003 I'm sure the Knicks would be the first to offer Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward. I swear if I think if I thought about getting rid of my sofa, the Knicks would offer Kurt and Charlie to me for it. I bet the sofa could do a better job of guarding in the post too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
