John Heidenreich

[HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0]

Just another hoss who only does Sideslams, Backdrops, Spinebusters, Pump Kicks, and his finisher is giving a guy a wedgie. Not impressed.

[Just call me Dan 0]

I wasn't impressed at all. His ring gear was pathetic, his voice is generic, his look is generic, his in ring ability was piss poor. He had no strength it seemd. I mean, the guy was junmping around like his adrenaline was at 100%, but each move was performed with minimal force.

[Guest Goodear]

Just another hoss who only does Sideslams, Backdrops, Spinebusters, Pump Kicks, and his finisher is giving a guy a wedgie. Not impressed.

I'm with Spike on this one. There was nothing to this guy that stood out from any other big guy the WWE brings in. At least with Test and A-Train, they deviate from the formula a bit and shy away from using those same moves and therefor are more entertaining than the John Hossenfeffens of the world. Not to mention that the WWE has upped the average size of its workers so much that a big guy is hardly impressive anymore if he's not the size of The Big Show. Everyone is 6'3''-6'6'' so the impact of being a big guy isn't there anymore.

 

You know what else bothered me? John is built like and moves just like Steve McMichaels. That's freaking scary.

[Guest Frank The Tank]

Difference between Test & Tenta.

 

Tenta's T.V matches were either squashes and the occasional versus real wrestler matches.

 

 

Test wrestles EVERY week for the past 5 years and has only had TWO *** matches. (1 vs. his good pal Shane, so I'll only count the one v. Eddie at WM X-7)

I gave Test vs Edge at Survivor Series 2001 ***1/2

 

Test vs Guerrero at WM: ***

 

Test vs Shane at Summerslam 99: ***3/4

 

Test vs The Rock in 2001: ***

 

Test vs Saturn on Smackdown: ***

 

I could go on and on but I have seen MANY ***plus Test matches.

I thought Test/Eddie at WM was vastly overrated, I mean 3* I'd give it 2 1/4 at the most. Their was a great Test/Edge match on Heat from October 2001. Way better than Survivor Series. The Test/Rock matches sucked.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Everyone is 6'3''-6'6'' so the impact of being a big guy isn't there anymore.

Which is why I get irritated at the constant pimping of guys that size. Yes, let's make every "future star" fit into a small window of height and weight so you end up with 30 guys that look, act and wrestle all the same way.

 

And this isn't as much hoss-hating as it is lack-of-variety-hating.

[Guest Goodear]

And this isn't as much hoss-hating as it is lack-of-variety-hating.

 

Agreed, you even see it on the other side of the table as Orlando Jordan, Maven, Jindrak and Cade are virtually carbon copies of each other with the only variation being in their finishers and the fact that Jindrak is left handed. WWE needs to reevaluate their training programs or something since it seems once they graduated Brock and the WWGTT everything fits into one of two molds and thats it.

[Guest Choken One]

The thing is, John Cena showed you break past the molds and move on to a upper level with your own idenity...

 

So it's really about which of these Vanilla OVWers can create a different persona that works.

[razazteca 0]

There are only 3 molds:

 

1. Gay

2. Hoss

3. Comedy

[Guest JMA]

I'm surprised they didn't make him an Evil German and stick him with La Res (as the de facto leader). CHEAP HEAT~!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Hmm, Heidenreich vs. Goldberg...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I think they should have done something like The Hulk (not the Orange Goblin) with this guy after the Little Johnny bit.

 

The guy who just gets mad in the middle of the match, snaps the shit out of everything, imagine he even needs to calm down before he can cut a promo resembling anything recognizable as English.

 

 

 

Though, now that I look at it, I guess that's basically Warrior in a nutshell.

[Guest wildpegasus]

And this isn't as much hoss-hating as it is lack-of-variety-hating.

 

Agreed, you even see it on the other side of the table as Orlando Jordan, Maven, Jindrak and Cade are virtually carbon copies of each other with the only variation being in their finishers and the fact that Jindrak is left handed. WWE needs to reevaluate their training programs or something since it seems once they graduated Brock and the WWGTT everything fits into one of two molds and thats it.

Yes, that's a big problem. The past didn't have that problem. Presently no one stands out at all. It's kind of similar to the bodybuilding world but in the wrestling scenario there's simply no excuse. WWE seems obsessed in making carbon copies of all their wrestlers. They tell them to get a haircut/tan, muscle and so on. Everyone looks like ordinary Joes with the exception of the muscle and that's just not good in wrestling. When you add this on to the fact that everyone wrestles the same exact way with no variety it only spells trouble in that it gives the viewer absolutely no reason to cheer anyone. Why should they care about someone when there's 30 other people who're the exact same?

[AndrewTS 0]

Shocked at something intelligent the flag-carrying, board-swinging, HOOOOing uberpatriot said in the shoot interview:

 

He feels the ideal company is a wide variety of wrestling styles because it will draw in all kinds of fans. The problem is when a company only uses one style of wrestling on their shows.

 

Geezus, if DUGGAN can see something that the collective heads of the top NA wrestling company can't see, then something is waaaay f'ed up.

[Guest Choken One]

Dont forget Duggan like Jake is a fucking coke head.

[Guest Coffey]

John = Nathan Jones.

 

Both suck.

 

I agree about all the OVW talk though. It's like no wrestlers have their own style anymore. They all have the same (WWE?) style. Part of the reason that I got hooked on wrestling as a kid was that I could pick and choose who I liked. Now you have to either like who's pushed or hate the show. They all pretty much wrestle the same.

[Guest CommaderK9]

Preach on Brother Coffey!

 

He is just another WWE hoss who isn't ready for the big time. If Little Johnny turns out to be a ventriloquist dummy I think I will puke.

[Guest StevieNightHeat]

Little Johnny will probably be revealed as Nova.

[Silence 0]

I thought Heidenreich already implied to The Hurricane that "Little Johnny" was Heidenreich's penis.

 

[Guest Coffey]

I figure that "Little Johnny" will either be non existant or an alter ego. Both of which will mean John is "crazy."

[The Czech Republic 0]

John "THe Modified Chokeslammer" Greenreich

"Two Move" John Heidensucker

John Heidenotalent

John Bigensteinreich

John Highenhuge.

John Roidreich

John Hossenfeffer

Slab Bulkhead

Fridge Largemeat

Punt Speedchunk

Butch Deadlift

Bold Bigflank

Splint Chesthair

Flint Ironstag

Bolt Vanderhuge

Blast Hardcheese

Thick McRunfast

Buff Drinklot

Trunk Slamchest

Fist Rockbone

Stump Beefknob

Smash Lampjaw

Punch Rockgroin

Buck Plankchest

Stomp Chunkman

Rip Slagcheek

Punch Sideiron

Gristle McThornbody

Slake Fistcrunch

Bob Johnson

Blast Thickneck

Big McLargehuge

Beat Punchbeef

Hack Blowfists

[AndrewTS 0]

TCR: Ahh, the list of the many nicknames Mike and the Bots bestowed upon David Ryder in "Space Mutiny." I was tempted to post those, but wanted to come up with names on my own.

 

Lots of those make for decent wrestling names, though.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Come on, WWE, debut Fist Rockbone.

 

"Brock Lesnar" fits in that list more than anything has any right to.

[AndrewTS 0]

Well, that's one of those rare cases when WWE lucked out, and a guy's real name was marketable--like Kurt Angle.

 

Unlike John Hammeroid.

[Toxxic 0]

Little Johnny HAS to be the guy's penis. It's even "camera shy" (see Heat). I don't even want to think about how Little Johnny will finally be reveled (or his identity, at least).

 

Still - kinda weird, vaguely dumb but seemingly well-meaning guy with a name for his penis and a fondness for WWE superstars takes on Hurricane in a "whose gimmick is more realistic" match and wins hands-down. And I'm not sure if that's good, bad, or just kudos to Helms for getting such a dumb gimmick over in the first place.

[Fro 0]

John Heidenreich is seriously *really* bad... as bad as Nathan Jones.

 

As far as OVW guys being vanilla, that's the function of the gimmicks WWE gives them. A lot of the OVW guys had great gimmicks playing to their strengths and WWE just pitches them.

 

- Batista: In OVW unstoppable "Demon of the Deep" Leviathan (bald, wore lifts in his boots, chains around his neck, destroyed everyone)... brought in as D-Von's "sidekick", jobbed out. Retooled as part of Evolution and finally sees success once he's allowed to act like his "Leviathan" gimmick in the past couple weeks. #1 heel in OVW and later #1 face just before leaving.

 

- John Cena: OVW cocky heel ala Jericho (was Rico's "sidekick" for a bit). Brought in as vanilla face on Smackdown and took months to turn heel. Finally caught on by making the most of freestyle rap gimmick once he got promo time. #1 heel in OVW. Part of Bolin Services

 

- The Bashams: 2 out of the original OVW 4 wrestlers trained by Danny Davis. Doug was the main man in pre-WWE OVW and then left for a couple years to work in the real world, I believe. Damaja (Danny Basham) was one of the main guys alongside Conway and Dinsmore and did sort of a poor man's Steve Austin gimmick (loner, rebel, etc). Finally, some random jobber wrestlers come and try and take out first Dinsmore, then later Conway and Damaja. About two or three of them formed a stable and eventually a masked man appeared out of the shadows (The Machine) to lead the stable and he explained he put a bounty on all those guys. These guys formed a stable called "The Revolution", Machine (who had superstar wrestling ability and mic skills) took the OVW Title and held it for a few months until he was unmasked as Doug Basham (who also happens to be OVW Owner Danny Davis's nephew). His gimmick was that he was super-bitter about guys like Dinsmore and Conway getting WWE developmental deals and OVW being successful without him around. Around this point, Damaja turned heel and the two and some others ran roughshod over OVW, eventually adding Kanyon, Jackie Gayda, "Queen" Victoria. It just basically ruled the school and was a 4 Horseman-like stable. Since none of the above are doing anything at this point, it would be easy to reform the group in WWE as a "triad" to rule the Smackdown tag scene, but nooooo.

 

In WWE, they have barely gotten mic time despite having good mic skills and were put over as being "dumb" and "not quite right" instead of legit title threats. Finally being booked a bit better now.

 

- Kanyon: Member of "The Revolution" in OVW, ex-Velocity job boy

 

- Jackie Gayda: Total Tammy Sytch gimmick with the Revolution. Reduced to a useless and heatless role in WWE with Rico.

 

- Shaniqua: Okay, her gimmick in WWE is pretty decent, but she can't wrestle women on Smackdown.

 

- Rico: Serious wrestler, acted like Chris Jericho (called himself "Your Role Model", even). In WWE he is a "gay stylist" first, then does a poor man's Adrian Street gimmick to no reaction. Would be a *perfect* Jericho sidekick in WWE. #1 heel in OVW. Part of Bolin Services.

 

- Rene Dupree: Teamed with Lance Cade and wrestled singles as part of Bolin Services (Kenny Bolin is their manager, think of a fat, redneck Bobby Heenan). No anti-american stuff, had a butler Morris (he was the APA's butler on Smackdown for a couple weeks for no reason), came out to "Fame" by David Bowie I think and generally got over himself. No Sylvian anywhere to be found.

 

- Sylvian G.: Came on OVW TV for a bit while teaming with Dupree on WWE TV. Again, no anti-American stuff, both guys used Dupree's gimmick.

 

- Rob Conway: One of the OVW original four wrestlers trained by Danny Davis. Good all-around worker, mic skills, good look. Brought in for job duty on Velocity for a bit. In OVW, he was "Ironman" Rob Conway and he teamed with "Mr. Wrestling" Nick Dinsmore as the "Lords of the Ring", a fantastic tag team. Later turned heel and joined the "Revolution" with Doug Basham and Damaja... took over the reigns once the Bashams got called up for a month or two. Had a gimmick where his valet Nikita was messing around with Johnny Ace to get the Damaja in trouble.

 

- Nick Dinsmore: One of the original OVW four. Used as a job boy for Velocity, brought in as Doink. Arguably the best worker in OVW. Still not called up full-time, which is a complete crime.

 

- Randy Orton: Orton never got too far in OVW before being called up, but always put in good work. He was seemingly one of the first guys to get called up. Anyway, he was the underdog face in OVW and got some traction, unlike in his first WWE run before the "RNN news updates, etc etc"

 

Wrestlers WWE has used better:

 

- Brock Lesnar: One half of the face "Minnesota Stretching Crew" with Shelton Benjamin. Great team, both guys complimented each other really well. Never used as a monster heel due to injuries and getting called up a bit too early.

 

- Team Angle: These guys were introduced *really* well in WWE. Benjamin, as mentioned above, teamed with Lesnar in an awesome tag team, and later with Redd Dogg (Rodney Mack) in a much less-awesome team. Haas was a product of HWA and never got much of a chance to work on OVW TV before being called up along with Benjamin.

 

- Victoria: This one is very debatable, but since Victoria actually had women to wrestle against in WWE, I give WWE the edge. She was a valet for the "Revolution" who would get involved in the men's matches in OVW and did the job extremely well.

 

- Sean O'Haire: Was "WCW's Sean O'Haire" in OVW and got a cup of coffee as part of Bolin Services, where all the hosses go in OVW. Had cool vignettes in WWE but didn't get over because he wasn't allowed to do highspots anymore.

 

Lost causes:

 

- Rodney Mack: JYD's protege in OVW, Redd Dogg. Said crap like "WHO LET THE DOGS OUT!" Not very good.

- Mark Henry: Developed new heel persona in OVW.. part of Kenny Bolin's stable.

- John Heind.: "Big Bad John", a hired gun of Kenny Bolin's in OVW. He sucked.

- Lance Cade: Generic Bradshaw-style Texan... yawn... hired gun of Kenny Bolin.

- Mark Jindrak: What a hoss... again, generic Bolin Services member.

 

Too Early to Tell:

 

- Matt Morgan: Unstoppable monster face in OVW.

 

Didn't see in OVW:

 

Orlando Jordan

[Guest JMA]

There really needs to be some continuity with OVW, IMO. Except for Batista. His introduction was WrestleCrap-esque. Get this, he was a demon summoned from the water by Synn. I like his Batista gimmick better.

 

Making Basham and Damaja brothers was a big mistake, IMO. Damaja should've kept his same name. They could've been brought in as The Machines instead.

[The Mandarin 0]

You know what else bothered me?  John is built like and moves just like Steve McMichaels.  That's freaking scary.

At least he doesn't TALK like Mongo.

 

"Nam nam gwarg."

(Tenay has no comment)

 

Oh, and check out the link. It's the Battle for Molly's Virginity II: Nowinski vs. Hymen. Chaos, I tell you.

[SamoaRowe 0]

There really needs to be some continuity with OVW, IMO. Except for Batista. His introduction was WrestleCrap-esque. Get this, he was a demon summoned from the water by Synn. I like his Batista gimmick better.

 

Making Basham and Damaja brothers was a big mistake, IMO. Damaja should've kept his same name. They could've been brought in as The Machines instead.

I agree. The WWE must think some mark fans are pretty stupid. Don't think any fans from the Ohio area would watch the little OVW shows and see Damaja and Doug Basham having a blood feud and then go home and turn on WWE and see the Basham Brothers making their debut? Granted 95% of the marks won't know any difference, but some do, and the WWE is destroying their own kayfabe.

[Guest Megatron]

The WWE must think some mark fans are pretty stupid. Don't think any fans from the Ohio area would watch the little OVW shows and see Damaja and Doug Basham having a blood feud and then go home and turn on WWE and see the Basham Brothers making their debut? Granted 95% of the marks won't know any difference, but some do, and the WWE is destroying their own kayfabe.

Kayfabe hasn't existed since Foley wrote his first book. At least, not in the way it used to be. And that's the problem. The 2 main shows are all kayfabe. But then they have Confidential, which totally exposes the business on a weekly basis. And don't get me started on Tough Enough. Talk like this reminds me of something my brother, who doesn't watch, once said. When they used to run the "Don't try this at home" ads and they'd talk about all their real injuries, he said "The only reason they get hurt is because they got hit with the wrong fake chair."