Guest NCJ Report post Posted October 29, 2003 3 count only got heat because they couldn't dance worth shit. It was worse than the Rikishi face pop. You get real heat when you do something in the ring. They didn't really get over until they slowed up with the stupid shit. They should have just ditched Tank altogether. The fact that he was getting a push to begin with is stupid. The man had no formal training at all. At least Henry has been sent to OVW more than once to try to learn. Awesome should have been so far above the fat chick thriller it ain't even funny. He was the ECW world champion when he showed up. He easily could have got over. It is idiotic that they made him into that 70's guy and the fat chick thriller. If you can laugh at that then you must be able to find something funny out of the WWE style of comedy because they both usually revolve around shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 29, 2003 The Tank push lasted a month if that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2003 Awesome had no chance of ever going over the people on top of wcw when he was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted October 29, 2003 At least WCW used him unlike the WWF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2003 Be that as it may, at least Awesome had the skills and gimmick ("career killer") to be an upper midcard heel. Instead, he got cut off at the knees and buried in horrible gimmicks, before salvaging some kind of dignity in Team Canada. That's the problem with how Awesome was booked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2003 Be that as it may, at least Awesome had the skills and gimmick ("career killer") to be an upper midcard heel. Instead, he got cut off at the knees and buried in horrible gimmicks, before salvaging some kind of dignity in Team Canada. That's the problem with how Awesome was booked. I agree, and would have much rather seen him used more prominently. Still I was amused by the "fat chick thriller". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sideburnious 0 Report post Posted October 29, 2003 Yeah but he was ECW World Champion. You cant go from that to fat chick thiller. WCW was by far worse booking than the WWE but its definatly possesing the WWE as of late. WWF used to push young stars to the top when WCW would buy out all of the old ones to get cheap ratings. Now Vince is doing the exact thing that WCW did by buy aload of old wrestlers who used to be over to get higher ratings. In essence WWE has become WCW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I doubt it, but we should atleast give him a chance Yes, but NOT at one of WWE's big 4 in his return match... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Nathan Jones has been down in OVW so he may have learned something. I doubt it, but we should atleast give him a chance. He had his chance. Fuck him and his "give him a chance" club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Nathan Jones has been down in OVW so he may have learned something. I doubt it, but we should atleast give him a chance. He had his chance. Fuck him and his "give him a chance" club. 6 months isn't enough time to make him not-clumsy, not-suck, and teach him some semblance or some sort of wrestling. He doesn't even have that supposed "charisma" that Vince got such a boner over and wanted to push him for. Besides, you expect him to get his miracle training from OVW?!??!?!? Get realistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Megatron Report post Posted October 30, 2003 2 words: Uncensored '96 'Nuff Said! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 2 words: Uncensored '96 'Nuff Said! 1 word: Necrophilia! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Megatron Report post Posted October 30, 2003 1 word: Necrophilia! I'm sorry, but it was so obvious that the necrophilia angle was supposed to be HHH's sick sense of humor at work. It was supposed to be funny, which of course it wasn't, but that's beside the point. Uncensored '96 was supposed to be serious. It was supposed to be Hogan and Savage overcoming a tremendous threat. Instead, it was them FORGETTING the finish of their own match and pinning someone while the heels stand around and STARE at them. There's no comparison between a failed comedy angle and the most ludicrous display of ego fucking I have ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Sometimes people forget how stupid WCW was in its booking. Yes the WWE are idiots right now and have been for quite a few years, but David Arquete as the Champ when it wasn't even a good publicty move considering Arquete was at best a B- to C list actor, Jay Leno going over the top heel, Karl Malone wrestling Dennis Rodman when they had more than enough people to push, Chucky the psycho doll from hell vs. Rick Steiner, The finger poke of doom, Golberg when he was the number 1 or 2 guy in all of the business losing to Nash and a taser, and Nash droping the title to Hogan and the finger poke of doom, killing Bret Hart's heat after the WWE handed them the biggest story of the year, Buff Bagwell's mom holding half the tag titles, Russo winning the title(atleast Vince looks imposing), the OWN, Tank Abbot dancing with 3 count (don't tell me Tank was better than Nathan Jones), Mike Awesome the fat chick thriller, damn I know I am forgetting alot of stuff. The fact is yes the WWE is stupid (which is mostly due to certain peoplenot putting their ego in check), but they are not near WCW in shear stupidity of booking and angles. Nathan Jones has been down in OVW so he may have learned something. I doubt it, but we should atleast give him a chance. Yes Katie Vick is one of the most disgusting and ridiculous angles ever!!! But if you don't think WCW would have run something like that after Russo got there if they had a character that would fit you are kidding yourselves. Vince McMahon winning the World Championship, forfieting the title and putting it in the 6-Pac Challenge, only to have Triple H win it back. Shane McMahon holding the European Championship and "retiring" it. Vince McMahon facing Shane McMahon and Stephanie McMahon facing Sable in various PPV matches. The Montreal Screwjob, one of the worst decisions ever by WWE. Bill Goldberg being treated like just another wrestler instead of the unbeatable monster he should be. Mark Henry and Mae Young having a hand for a child. You can't make something out of nothing, which is why Nathan Jones will never amount to anything. You made some good points, but WWE has done just as much stupid stuff, atleast you could count on WCW's cruiserweights to put on a must-see match at nearly every show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Platypus 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I'll never understand why Bill Goldberg "shoud be" an unbeatable monster. No one, ever, no matter what, should be unbeatable. Makes no sense at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Stephanie=Jerry Blackwell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Best part of Mike Awesome in WcW was that 70's guy gimmick. He just did one of his shows and then Bret Hart came out next, which I believe was his last time on WcW TV, (Goldberg shoot) and said something like "Hey Mike Awesome, you're worth even less now then you were 5 minutes ago." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NCJ Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I never said Nathan Jones didn't suck, but this it's the worst decision ever stuff is crazy. He is in a five on five SS match. He isn't going to get much ring time, and he will probably be the first man out for the heels. I would rather him not be there, but it is not like him being in a match where all he will do is a few power moves before being elimanted is going to ruin this entire ppv. Vince McMahon winning the World Championship, forfieting the title and putting it in the 6-Pac Challenge, only to have Triple H win it back. Shane McMahon holding the European Championship and "retiring" it. Vince McMahon facing Shane McMahon and Stephanie McMahon facing Sable in various PPV matches. The Montreal Screwjob, one of the worst decisions ever by WWE. Bill Goldberg being treated like just another wrestler instead of the unbeatable monster he should be. Mark Henry and Mae Young having a hand for a child. You can't make something out of nothing, which is why Nathan Jones will never amount to anything. You made some good points, but WWE has done just as much stupid stuff, atleast you could count on WCW's cruiserweights to put on a must-see match at nearly every show. All of your points are valid for the most part, but some of them I disagree with. Goldberg was already being treated like just any other wrestler in WCW. He had already been retired by Lex Luger and Buff Bagwell, tapped out to Scott Steiner cleanly, lost to Booker T, and been a big joke for the end of his WCW run. He should have been pushed better in the WWE, but Goldberg should never have been an unstopable monster to begin with. Mark and Mae young was a comedy angle that revovled around nothing. Was it stupid? Yes. But atleast the angle was somewhat entertaining to normal wrestling fans up until the shit ending. As far as Nathan Jones goes I agree with you, but it is not like WCW never pushed shity workers with no skill before they were ready (Goldberg, Wall, early Giant). As far as Montreal goes I can't disgree with you more. It was a horrible thing to do to a man who had been the flag bearer for your company and one of the best workers there for the past five years, but the way they handled it on screen was the smartest thing that they could ever do. It laid the ground work for Vince Mcmahon the evil owner, and it got an incredible buy rate through people wanting to see what happened. It actually ended up with a comparable buy rate to WCW Starcade, which was headlined by an angle that was about a year and a half in the making and involved Bret Hart by the end. WCW had terrible angles that revolved around the tag team or world title belts that were just hilarious that they tried to play off as serious. Chucky vs. Rick Steiner??? Judy Bagwell vs Buff Bagwell??? David Arquete as a champion??? Those are just ridiculous angles that they tried to pass off as serious angles. I know that WWE has been extremly stupid. And I am far from a WWE apologist. I just call things like I see them. Until Ashton Kutcher gets the World Title, The Leprachaun challenges RVD for the I.C. title, and Albert teams up with his mom and goes over the WGTT for the titles I can't say that the WWE is dumber than WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 30, 2003 I never said Nathan Jones didn't suck, but this it's the worst decision ever stuff is crazy. He is in a five on five SS match. He isn't going to get much ring time, and he will probably be the first man out for the heels. I would rather him not be there, but it is not like him being in a match where all he will do is a few power moves before being elimanted is going to ruin this entire ppv. It's nice that you have faith that Jones (and probably Morgan) will have limited ring time and will be eliminated first at SurSer, but you could be in for a surprise when it comes to that. I know I'm certainly not expecting either to be the first eliminated, but then again I can't wait for SurSer to be over since the card has been bullshit to me from the very beginning, so maybe I am coming up with the worst scenarios possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NCJ Report post Posted October 30, 2003 It's nice that you have faith that Jones (and probably Morgan) will have limited ring time and will be eliminated first at SurSer, but you could be in for a surprise when it comes to that. I know I'm certainly not expecting either to be the first eliminated, but then again I can't wait for SurSer to be over since the card has been bullshit to me from the very beginning, so maybe I am coming up with the worst scenarios possible. Do you really think either one of them will last longer than Brock. I could see Morgan in the ring longer than the Big Show since everyone in the WWE has a hard on for the guy, but no way Jones. Cena will be involved in this somehow, and if he is on the heel team he will last longer than Jones. The only way Jones dosen't last the shortest amount of time for the heels is if A-Train is the last guy. And even then it is debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 30, 2003 Actually, by "not being eliminated first" I was insinuating the first overall (i.e. both the face and heel teams). I would not be surprised to see Jones and/or Morgan eliminating at least one person. BOTH guys get the office blowjobs, don't kid yourself. And I said nothing about Brock. Actually I am expecting HOLLYMANIA~! (sarcasm dripping heavily) to go wild with him eliminating Jones and Morgan and probably Brock himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
