ROH Fans

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And of course, you can't be biased by your participation in the aforementioned chant... right?

 

In 2001 when Austin was in his "what" phase, and Kurt Angle was getting his "You suck" chant during his entrance - it eventually evolved into "You Suck - WHAT" "You Suck - What"... chants evolve, it's just a matter of self-interested fans and time.

 

And it was trading chants - if they actually did care about supporting the wrestler there would have been overlap - it would have sounded like "lets go longran" or "Lets go Dradon" where eventually the louder side wins... You know, Like the Ortiz/Couture fight, or Rock Hogan...oh, but I forgot, those ROH fans are more courteous than those other fans and politely let each other have their turn for no reason other than supporting their wrestler-of-choice.

Edited November 3, 2003 by RavishingRickRudo

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

WildPeg, that's silly, ROH fans are the best fans in the world... just ask them.

 

RRR: Waiting for a "We're the best" "We're the best" "We're the best" chant. And hopefully there will be other people in the arena/gym that will add "Fans in the World" to help fill in the blank for all those who can't figure it out... cause you know, they're polite...

[Guest ManKinnd]

And it was trading chants - if they actually did care about supporting the wrestler there would have been overlap - it would have sounded like "lets go longran" or "Lets go Dradon" where eventually the louder side wins... You know, Like the Ortiz/Couture fight, or Rock Hogan...oh, but I forgot, those ROH fans are more courteous than those other fans and politely let each other have their turn for no reason other than supporting their wrestler-of-choice.

This was already explained, quite nicely. The were trying to be louder. You go, I go, who's louder, over and over. Maybe my explanation was crap, and I prefer the former, so why can't it be that? Two groups of people trying to be louder than the other, just taking turns. The chant does *not* work if you say it without the pause. It just doesn't.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Because *the crowd* is *competing* with *each other* for no reason (I'd understand if they had been doing it during a spot where Dragon and London were trading holds and the crowd support dictated the pace of the match - but it didn't). When they started doing that, when they started trading chants at each other, it stopped being about the match and started being about *them*

[Bix 0]

WildPeg, that's silly, ROH fans are the best fans in the world... just ask them.

 

RRR: Waiting for a "We're the best" "We're the best" "We're the best" chant. And hopefully there will be other people in the arena/gym that will add "Fans in the World" to help fill in the blank for all those who can't figure it out... cause you know, they're polite...

I think I love you, Rudo.

[Guest OSIcon]

And of course, you can't be biased by your participation in the aforementioned chant... right?

 

Probably not considering I'm not big into chanting. I am not a loud person so it kind of goes against my nature. I would rather just sit back, watch, and clap for what I like.

 

I generally don't think the ROH crowds are great and sometimes a fair share of people in them really annoy me. A lot fo wrestling fans that you see at any shows are like this. I can't stand when someone yells a "smart" comment at a wrestler. Hearing people yell "Johnny" at Raven ior any other wrestler's real name is really stupid (actually, the people I heard doing this the most at any wrestling show was when I sat in front of some "wrestlers" and management from JAPW at Death Before Dishonor). Sections chanting back and forth at each other about something that doesn't add heat to a match is ridiculous (ie. At the Maryland ROH show, two sections began screaming their section names to show which one was "better".....or something). There are fans at the show that are really annoying and do put themselves over. They are a minority, but usually the loudest and thus associated with how all ROH fans are.

 

The point is, I am far from the mentality that ROH fans are the best. Some of them do a lot of annoying things that really aren't needed. So you are not going to find me dumping praise on the ROH fans with the mentality that "we are the best." However, I'll call it like I see it and the fans for the Dragon-London match were seriously emotionally invested in it and wanted to see their favorite win. The chants grew out of that and they were legit.

 

Times that those chants have happened since then? Maybe not so legit. There have been a few that seemed force. For the Dragon-London match though, there is no question. The ROH fans are not all great and some are downright annoying, but those chants were legit and really made for a great atmosphere.

 

You seem way to obsessed with this and seem to have some sort of strong dislike to ROH that rivals that strong like that ROH fans have for the product.

[Guest ManKinnd]

I think it goes like this. I know *I* for one, was chanting for Dragon because I wanted him to win and got caught up in all this. The fans wanted different guys to win, so they traded chants, for whatever reason. It may have been to get themselves over, if you say so. But after many minutes of deuling chants, they all just started chanting ROH. Plus at the end they chanted "Thank you both." Looking at it this way, in the beginning, the fans wanted their "guy" to win, but after a while into this awesome contest, they just realized that they were witnessing something special, hence the ROH chant, a thank you in some regards, that we may disagree on who we want to win, but we can come together and agree that this is great, hence the chant. At the end, *everyone* was chanting "Thank you both," a continuation of that. They disagreed on who to cheer for, and in the end they just wanted to cheer for both of them.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Geez, guys. You all realize you are arguing over CROWDS. Yes, CROWDS. Considering that people in crowds are idiots for the most part, isn't this kind of a moot point?

[Guest Dids]

I fail to see where the crowd trying to get themselves over is a bad thing. It doesn't matter why they're chearing as long as they're there and making some noise.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

You seem way to obsessed with this and seem to have some sort of strong dislike to ROH that rivals that strong like that ROH fans have for the product

 

Obsessed? How? I posted my distain for the ROH fans in one thread, and how Dragon/London wasn't MOTY in another... boy, I sure am obsessed. 2 whole threads dedica - no wait, a dozen posts maybe? IN ALL? Hardly a threads worth...

 

I wanted to like ROH. I heard the hype, saw a few choice matches on-line, bought a tape.. the tape was supposed to be one of their best shows. I couldn't stand what I was seeing. If I wanted Japanese Wrestling, I'd buy Japanese wrestling... not some imitation (oops "innovation")... I dunno, maybe I'm too "old school" but I don't want business exposing announcers and crowds surrounding my wrestling.... and I don't want my wrestling to be two guys pretending to be Misawa.

 

"Thank you both,"

 

Thank you for what? Oh, for putting on an athletic contest full of flashy moves and high workrate~? They sure did "work" that crowd. I'm glad the ROH audience was couteous enough to not only clap for them, but to explain that clapping meant appreciation...

 

I fail to see where the crowd trying to get themselves over is a bad thing. It doesn't matter why they're chearing as long as they're there and making some noise.

 

Ok, and I can't find it annoying-as-hell when fans are more interested in chanting than watching the match unfold?

[Guest ManKinnd]

Rudo, I'd say you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think there's any convincing the other here.

[Jack_Bauer 0]

Anyone that has seen me post about crowds KNOWS that I don't like it when they shout certain things, but then again, it IS just shouting, and nothing can be done about it.

 

It's things like what happened to American Dragon though. It had distracted him from what he was doing. He was distracted from his job. He can also be to blame for not keeping his concentration on what he was doing ( which he really should have ) but I don't think he should have been put into that position.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

I've argued this point with Bob "I'm not biased HONEST!!111" Barren and 1InchPenis before so can't be bothered retreading the same points over again but jesus.... crowds having chants about wrestlers no selling moves is so fucking wrong in the scheme of pro wrestling its fucking depressing.

 

 

ROH do some things very well. At their top end the matches with guys like American Dragon, Samoa Joe, Doug Williams etc tend to be top notch quality. Its unfortuanate then the fans who goto the shows are just as big a cunts as the people who run the thing.

[bob_barron 0]

I've argued this point with Bob "I'm not biased HONEST!!111" Barren and 1InchPenis before so can't be bothered retreading the same points over again but jesus.... crowds having chants about wrestlers no selling moves is so fucking wrong in the scheme of pro wrestling its fucking depressing.

 

I don't know about you but I go to a wrestling show to have fun and see good wrestling. Would you rather I sat there and just stared?

 

ROH do some things very well. At their top end the matches with guys like American Dragon, Samoa Joe, Doug Williams etc tend to be top notch quality. Its unfortuanate then the fans who goto the shows are just as big a cunts as the people who run the thing.

 

Go fuck yourself. Have you been to a ROH show? If no then please shut the fuck up and come back when you're informed.

 

The ROH fans, like most wrestling fans, go to shows to have fun and see good wrestling.

 

EDIT: There was ONE time when the ROH fans pissed me off. It was during a 4-way and Slyk Wagner Brown was moving a mile a minute to impress the crowd and he just did too much at once. He went to the top rope to do a SSP and lost his footing for a second. The crowd did a OHHHHHH noise and started chanting You Fucked Up. That did really piss me off but they shut up after a few seconds.

 

Care to show examples where I'm biased? 1inch punch pretty much refuted that by showing the ratings for Night of Grudges and how I've said stuff was bullshit several times. I'm sorry that I recommend ROH tapes- it's not my fault they're good.

 

 

Ask Paul London if he thinks the fans are big cunts- don't go making mass generalisations about a crowd of people. You'll generally end up being wrong

Edited November 7, 2003 by bob_barron

[The Metal Maniac 0]

The last thing a wrestler needs in a big match is for fans to distract them

 

Ok, seriously now...if a wrestler can't wrestle a match without being distracted by fans, then he needs to get the fuck outta the biz. It's EXPECTED that when you wrestle, there's going to be people yelling at you. If you can't handle being yelled at, then you don't belong in the biz.

 

Also, to the person who said that the Hardy incident was proof that RoH fans just want to get themselves over and don't care about wrestling...don't you think, just for a second, that maybe it's only proof that they didn't want to see Jeff Hardy?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

::Reads thread::

 

More reasons why I won't bother with RoH again.

 

 

Like Rudo, I heard hype and wanted to like it, but seriously, if I want to watch a Indy promotion try to act like it's big shit then I'll go down to Ft. Lauderdale or whatever.

 

BTW, Hogan/Rock owned the fucking earth. Trying to compare a fucking match held in front of 600 people to 70,000 is more than laughable.

 

Dueling chants are fine...when your not trading it off! That means your too busy trying to out shine the other half with your chants while a match is happening.

 

Rock/Hogan chant battle was awesome because the crowds WERE really split and wanted there guy to win. Not the "We cheer him then you cheer him" routine.

 

On other note, I love how the crowd treats their wet dream icon American Dragon like Jeff Hardy all of a sudden. Ya, I really like those kinds of fans. PFFH!

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Also, to the person who said that the Hardy incident was proof that RoH fans just want to get themselves over and don't care about wrestling...don't you think, just for a second, that maybe it's only proof that they didn't want to see Jeff Hardy?

It's called not going to the show or skipping out during the match.

[bob_barron 0]

More reasons why I won't bother with RoH again.

 

I'd love to hear this...

 

 

Like Rudo, I heard hype and wanted to like it, but seriously, if I want to watch a Indy promotion try to act like it's big shit then I'll go down to Ft. Lauderdale or whatever.

 

How is it acting like it's big shit? By saying it's the best? WHAT ELSE ARE THEY GONNA SAY?

 

 

Dueling chants are fine...when your not trading it off! That means your too busy trying to out shine the other half with your chants while a match is happening.

 

You weren't at the show. Half the crowd liked London, the other half liked Dragon. They were chanting and getting into the match as it went along.

 

Rock/Hogan chant battle was awesome because the crowds WERE really split and wanted there guy to win. Not the "We cheer him then you cheer him" routine.

 

The crowd WASN'T split during Rock v. Hogan

 

On other note, I love how the crowd treats their wet dream icon American Dragon like Jeff Hardy all of a sudden. Ya, I really like those kinds of fans. PFFH!

 

Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about?

 

Did American Dragon get booed out of the building the minute he came out? No. In fact- he got a Welcome Back chant. Those fans sure are shitty eh?

 

And the match got rave reviews and the crowd was into the whole thing.

 

COMPLETELY opposite to the Jeff Hardy incident.

[bob_barron 0]

Also, to the person who said that the Hardy incident was proof that RoH fans just want to get themselves over and don't care about wrestling...don't you think, just for a second, that maybe it's only proof that they didn't want to see Jeff Hardy?

It's called not going to the show or skipping out during the match.

So people should skip ROH's biggest show ever, featuring a farewell to one of their biggest stars and a dog collar match just because they hate one wrestler?

 

Please explain that one...

[Michrome 0]

Trying to compare a fucking match held in front of 600 people to 70,000 is more than laughable.

 

I assume this means the gimmick battle royale at WM XVII was better than any WCW, ECW, or INdy match match that's ever been put on as well, because it was in front of more people! Try logic, it's really nice. Hogan-Rock was a pathetically shitty wrestling match with INSANE crowd heat from a crowd that loved Hogan. And that's all it was.

 

Yes, RoH claims to be the best. So does every other fucking promotion. What in god's name do you expect them to say? "Welcome to RoH, we're pretty decent sometimes, but our fans and announcers suck dick, so turn down the volume."

 

By the way, at No Mercy there were dueling "Let's Go Cena" and "Let's go Angle" chants...was that crowd of smarks trying to get themselves over? Or does this standard only apply to RoH?

[Jack_Bauer 0]

I assume this means the gimmick battle royale at WM XVII was better than any WCW, ECW, or INdy match match that's ever been put on as well, because it was in front of more people! Try logic, it's really nice. Hogan-Rock was a pathetically shitty wrestling match with INSANE crowd heat from a crowd that loved Hogan. And that's all it was.

 

Completely true about the Rock/Hogan match. Agree with the initial point as well. A match CAN be better with a bigger and better crowd at CERTAIN occaisions. For instance, that Rock v Hogan match would NEVER have worked in front of 700 people, but the match itself was bullshit.

 

Yes, RoH claims to be the best. So does every other fucking promotion. What in god's name do you expect them to say? "Welcome to RoH, we're pretty decent sometimes, but our fans and announcers suck dick, so turn down the volume."

 

I'm wondering how many people that don't watch CZW would slag Zandig for taking shots at ROH at BOTB 3.

 

By the way, at No Mercy there were dueling "Let's Go Cena" and "Let's go Angle" chants...was that crowd of smarks trying to get themselves over? Or does this standard only apply to RoH?

 

Just face it. People are against ROH for whatever reasons and will look for ANYTHING to put the product down. Duelling crowds is a very sad reason to put a promotion down. It isn't the promotion, it's the fans.

 

More reasons why I won't bother with RoH again.

 

It is quite sad that it is one of the reasons you arent bothering with ROH again.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

I don't know about you but I go to a wrestling show to have fun and see good wrestling. Would you rather I sat there and just stared?

 

I'd rather all the ROH fans who goto the shows had some mass suicide pact and killed themselves but there you go.

 

Go fuck yourself. Have you been to a ROH show? If no then please shut the fuck up and come back when you're informed.

 

The ROH fans, like most wrestling fans, go to shows to have fun and see good wrestling.

 

 

Its unfortuanate their idea of fun seems to include acting like fucking knobheads because they are all "smart" and "know the business inside out". Call me old fashioned but the future of wrestling ain't internet nerds thinking they are all big and clever by going to shows and chanting "who booked this ?" and shouting at wrestlers for not selling moves right.

 

Bob come on now you are a ROH fanboy through and through why deny it ?

 

and yeah you lot are welcome to shout whatever you want because you paid to goto the shows. On the flipside though you have got understand why it is that alot of wrestling fans are gonna mock you because they think your all a bunch of cunts for your antics.

[Guest Rob Naylor]

I don't know about you but I go to a wrestling show to have fun and see good wrestling. Would you rather I sat there and just stared?

 

I'd rather all the ROH fans who goto the shows had some mass suicide pact and killed themselves but there you go.

 

Go fuck yourself. Have you been to a ROH show? If no then please shut the fuck up and come back when you're informed.

 

The ROH fans, like most wrestling fans, go to shows to have fun and see good wrestling.

 

 

Its unfortuanate their idea of fun seems to include acting like fucking knobheads because they are all "smart" and "know the business inside out". Call me old fashioned but the future of wrestling ain't internet nerds thinking they are all big and clever by going to shows and chanting "who booked this ?" and shouting at wrestlers for not selling moves right.

 

Bob come on now you are a ROH fanboy through and through why deny it ?

 

and yeah you lot are welcome to shout whatever you want because you paid to goto the shows. On the flipside though you have got understand why it is that alot of wrestling fans are gonna mock you because they think your all a bunch of cunts for your antics.

Wow. What a thread.

I go to ROH shows because I'm a longtime fan of Philly Wrestling dating back to the NWA shows at the Civic Center, as are most of the people that go to the shows sitting around me. We enjoy quality wrestling and some angles based around an era we enjoyed (a mix of gimmick Bunkhouse matches, chain matches and some good "scientific wrestling" like Thornton and Nelson Royal used to do back in the mid 80's).

ROH isn't all headdrops, far from it. We get a great mix of different styles of wrestling. It isn't all "spotfests" or "Garbage-style" brawls or Southern style tags or grudge matches or just straight up wrestling matches. Anyone who typecasts ROH as simply headdrops and flips is not correct.

As for the fans who chant "who booked this"...I was at the 12/28 Philly show and a group of about three angry kids that were at the CZW show prior to the ROH show were screaming this. I thought it was ridiculous as did most in the building. Corino then quickly shut them up with a quick in-ring retort and the wrestling started again.

Talk about all ROH fans being "Expletive deleted" or C**nta**es only makes people look really dumb and immature.

Chanting "Thank you, Ian" after a match is an elitist activity as well....Why don't some people slag Mr. Rotten...Ah, it might be too fair or partisan thing to do.

Again, there are knuckleheads in every audience, I''ve gone to every indy show under the sun, there will never be a perfect audience. In an intimate setting, there will always be rabble-rousers. However, I go to wrestling shows to...*gasp* Watch wrestling, as do many of my friends that go to any show, no less an ROH show. To others who complain about the crowds at ROH, maybe YOU should look at yourself in the mirror and realize that slagging an audience on the internet is kind of an "elistist" "know-it all" generalizing activity as well.

There is my thoughts on that.

[bob_barron 0]

Its unfortuanate their idea of fun seems to include acting like fucking knobheads because they are all "smart" and "know the business inside out". Call me old fashioned but the future of wrestling ain't internet nerds thinking they are all big and clever by going to shows and chanting "who booked this ?" and shouting at wrestlers for not selling moves right.

 

The who booked this shit chant was at ONE show and was a very vocal minority.

 

It was also after ROH booked a dream match of Red v. Fleisch to go 6 minutes- so a portion of the crowd was upset.

 

Bob come on now you are a ROH fanboy through and through why deny it ?

 

I'm a fan of ROH. Correct.

 

and yeah you lot are welcome to shout whatever you want because you paid to goto the shows. On the flipside though you have got understand why it is that alot of wrestling fans are gonna mock you because they think your all a bunch of cunts for your antics.

 

It's because a lot of people are ignorant and don't know what they're talking about.

 

Rob hit the nail right on the head- there are no perfect wrestling crowds.

 

I went to a BCW show where a couple of fans were making fun of D-Lo for the Droz incident. Should we now think every BCW fan is a fuckhole?

[Guest OSIcon]

The whole notion of trying to characterize an entire fanbase is silly to being with.

 

Should we characterize everyone who goes to a WWE show as a fanboy who will believe everything that is fed to him? Of course not. I have been to WWE and WCW shows where at the same show, I have sat around people who do believe everything that is fed to them by the promotion and also people who have shouted out "smart" comments the entire show. It is impossible to define the fanbase at those shows one way or another simply because there are a wide variety of fans there.

 

Same thing with ROH. There are the fans at those shows that can be obnoxious. Of course, I have also encountered those same types of fans at WWE, WCW, ECWA, ect. shows in several different states. You will find annoying fans ANYWHERE. IWA-MS, WWE, ROH, CZW, your local indy....anywhere.

 

Those kinds of fans don't all migrate to ROH shows and make up the entire ROH audiance.

 

I concur with Rob. Most of the fans I have sat by at ROH shows are just there to enjoy the wrestling. Not get themselves over. The incident you pointed out (the "Who booked this shit" chant) was litteraly a few people in the crowd. It made me roll my eyes right away and a lot of people I sat around began yelling at those doing the chant to shut up. They were certainly a minority...a minority you will find at almost any wrestling show. Fans at ROH shows are generally there for the same reason anyone goes to a wrestling show: to watch wrestling they enjoy. It is that simple. It is absurd to claim that most ROH fans go to shows to put themselves over. I know I certainly don't and wouldn't make the drive from Baltimore to Philly just to do that.

[Guest Jimmy Saint]

"Who booked this ?" is just one of many by the way I have heard that annoy me. Infact pretty much any "smart" type chant from any indie crowd annoys me. ROH whole entire fanbase is smart marks so of course your gonna get more of the daftness from them.

 

 

Perfect wrestling crowd nowadays well alot of people should look at the example set by the EMLL crowds who just go apeshit for the technico's, shit on the rudo's and if theres a tweener in the middle of a turn [say Shocker for example] will argue with each other. Any NY indie bus trip wanting to chant stupid shit would probably get their bus looted and set on fire by the locals as well for trying all that rubbish.

[bob_barron 0]

"Who booked this ?" is just one of many by the way I have heard that annoy me.

 

It's already been shown to you by people WHO WERE THERE that it was just 5 people out of 500.

 

Infact pretty much any "smart" type chant from any indie crowd annoys me. ROH whole entire fanbase is smart marks so of course your gonna get more of the daftness from them.

 

Again your generalising and stereotyping- Most, if not all, ROH fans go to have a fun time and see some good wrestling. They don't go just to chant.

 

 

Perfect wrestling crowd nowadays well alot of people should look at the example set by the EMLL crowds who just go apeshit for the technico's, shit on the rudo's and if theres a tweener in the middle of a turn [say Shocker for example] will argue with each other.

 

Well Mexico is very kayfabe. Philly is not.

 

Any NY indie bus trip wanting to chant stupid shit would probably get their bus looted and set on fire by the locals as well for trying all that rubbish.

 

Sounds like perfect fans to me

[Guest fallenangel7]

Stopped reading at one of RavishingRickRude's posts.. sounds like he's trying to get himself over on a message board or something.

 

Anyway, why do people go to wrestling shows?

 

Is it to study the matches? They could get the tapes.. for cheaper.

 

Is it so they could have a chance in meeting their favorite wrestlers? Maybe a few..

 

Wrestling fans, hockey fans, football fans, every type of fan goes to the show to have fun. Duelling chants are fun, and you're trying to out-do the other. Besides, nothing gives the wrestlers in the ring goosebumps like having the entire building making noise during your match, and the fans do add drama to the match. What's wrong with that? Should all fans just shut the fuck up & watch the match like they do in Japan? How would the average person find that fun? Fan interaction is one of the best things about going to a wrestling show, sport or anything like that.