Guest webmasterofwrestlegame Report post Posted November 24, 2003 Angels just confirmed the purchase of Escobar: The Angels announced Monday that they have signed flame-throwing free-agent right-hander Kelvim Escobar to a three-year deal. Escobar, 27, finished 13-9 with one complete game, one shutout, four saves and a 4.29 ERA in 41 games (26 starts) with the Toronto Blue Jays last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 espn is reporting a possible deal to send Schilling to the Red Sox, Casey Fossum to the Brewers, and Richie Sexson to the D'backs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 I'll take that in a heartbeat. Fossum really didn't amount to much for the Sox, despite getting quite a few chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 I have to assume the Brewers get a prospect or two coming their way or they are in more financial trouble than was originally thought to do a deal like this. Not that I really care about Bud Selig's team being in financial ruin but Fossum is not near the level of a Schilling or Sexson. I'm still hoping the Yankees get Schilling because they'll trade Nick Johnson to get him which they will regret. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 Schilling to Boston for Fossum is a GREAT fucking deal. I'm praying it happens tonigiht. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 WFAN-RADIO IN New York said a deal for Schilling will be completed if the Red Sox can work out a contract extension with the right-hander in the next 72 hours. Schilling, who is seeking a two-year extension worth $30 million, will void the deal if talks break down. WFAN-Radio said the deal involves the Red Sox, Diamondbacks and Milwaukee Brewers. The trade would have the Red Sox trading left-hander Casey Fossum and prospects to Milwaukee, which would ship first baseman Richie Sexson to Arizona. Arizona then would send Schilling to Boston. Schilling began his career in Boston and has said he wasn’t interested in returning to the Red Sox. Speculation is that Schilling may have changed his mind because the Red Sox are close to hiring Terry Francona as manager. Francona managed Schilling in Philadelphia. However, in recent weeks, Schilling said the only two teams he would be interested in were the Yankees and Philadelphia Phillies. The Yankees reportedly were close to getting Schilling earlier this month but didn’t want to renegotiate the pitcher’s current deal. The Yankees also are looking to keep free-agent pitcher Andy Pettitte and possibly sign Gary Sheffield. Schilling’s salary is $12 million next year and could top out at $14 million next year. Schilling will have to waive his no-trade clause for the deal to go through. Schilling, 37, serves as his own agent, has one year left on his contract with the Diamondbacks. Arizona won’t likely have the money to re-sign Schilling, given the money he’ll command for 2005. “If I had to bet, I think the only thing I’d bet on is I probably won’t be in a Diamondbacks uniform when the season starts,” Schilling said. This past year, Schilling battled injuries and went 8-9 with a 2.95 ERA over 24 starts. He was out 14 days following an appendectomy, then missed another 38 when his right hand was broken by a line drive off the bat of San Diego’s Sean Burroughs. Then, Schilling was scratched from his last start by a variety of ailments. He said he was in good shape “for brief periods of time, but healthy and back in the groove, rarely this year. I just never had a chance to get a consistent run. It was incredibly disappointing.” Schilling went 22-6 with a 2.98 ERA in 2001, then was 4-0 with a 1.12 ERA in the postseason as the Diamondbacks won the World Series. Last year, he was 23-7 with a 3.23 ERA, becoming only the seventh pitcher to win at least 22 games in consecutive seasons. Both years, Schilling finished second to Johnson in Cy Young voting. AWESOME. Pedro..Schilling..Lowe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 25, 2003 *does the Dance of Joy with other Boston fans* and we're still pursuing Keith Foulke too(although I'd rather the closer spot go to Williamson and then our focuses go to a 2nd baseman) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Too bad the Sox traded their top prospect for Jeff Suppan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 D'backs made up for the possible departure of Schilling by signing Jesse Orosco to a minor league contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Too bad the Sox traded their top prospect for Jeff Suppan. he wasn't our top, although it would be nice to have him playing 2B this year Kevin Youkilis is our untouchable in the farm system, then Kelly Shoppach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Schilling deal isn't finisehd just yet. Wants an extension, and for some reason wants Terry Francona has manager. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cartman 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 As good as this sounds...I'm not 100% positive that this is a good trade. Fossum, Lyon, and Goss are marginal prospects and I don't mind them leaving...but Jorge De La Rosa is "The Man" and would definitely be that home grown starter that Boston hasn't had since Roger Clemens. I don't think he is even close to Clemens but I have seen his stuff a few times and he is the real deal. I would honestly like to keep him around and not be so hasty to spend 15 million a year for a 37 year old injury prone star pitcher who is coming off a bad year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 25, 2003 De La Rosa is still a couple years away. His move up to Triple-A last year showed that. Besides it looks like we're still awaiting for Texas to give the ok on a Manny for A-Rod deal (Gammons said Red Sox want it done, A-Rod wants it done, and Manny wants it done) which would in turn have Nomar sent to LA or Anaheim for young pitching...so De La Rosa looks expendable. Also Schilling makes $12mill not $15 and he's said money isn't a key in the deal, he has more money than he'll ever need...he just wants the extension. So it could come down to him getting about $10mill a year after the up coming season. All of that and we're still on the thresh hold of signing Foulke. I'll have a hard-on all season if we start our season with our club looking like this... C Tek 1B Millar 2B Castillo SS A-Rod 3B Mueller LF Cheap FA replacement...Reggie Sanders or somebody like that CF Damon RF Trot DH Ortiz Rotation: Pedro Schilling Lowe Wakefield Kim Bullpen: Embree Timlin Mendoza Arroyo Williamson Foulke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Schilling deal isn't finisehd just yet. Wants an extension, and for some reason wants Terry Francona has manager. For some reason? Francona managed him for four years in Philadelphia, and Schilling really likes him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Kenny Lofton can play lf can't he? He would be a good lead off for the Sox... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Kenny Lofton can play lf can't he? He would be a good lead off for the Sox... Fuck that. The Cubbies need to keep him so they'll have a decent leadoff guy/fourth outfielder, at least until Corey Patterson gets all the way back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 With Johnny Damon, the Sox have little need for a lead-off center fielder. While Plunderin's team looks good, that's alot of ifs to deal with. IF Castillo signs, IF the ARod/Manny trade goes through, IF the Schilling deal goes through, IF Foulke signs, and so on. With 29 other buyers on the market, things get more complicated than that. I would honestly like to keep him around and not be so hasty to spend 15 million a year for a 37 year old injury prone star pitcher who is coming off a bad year. Look beyond the W/L record and the injury. When Schilling did pitch, he posted his 2nd lowest ERA as a starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Schilling deal isn't finisehd just yet. Wants an extension, and for some reason wants Terry Francona has manager. Because Francona was a pushover who would let Schilling decide when he wanted to come out of games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Boy does that sound familiar to Red Sox fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 That's why I got a chuckle when all the Francona to Boston talk started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 It baffles me that Francona is a serious managerial candidate. He's a career .440 manager, and he's never managed a .500+ team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Well according to the interview Curt gave last night, on Daily News Live, it is because Francona never had the talent to succeed. I have a feeling that Epstein just wanted to get a guy in there who would be willing to do what he tells him to. I can't imagine Francona coming in and going against what the organization is trying to do, because he really doesn't have the credentials to be doing that. This is just the next step in getting the sabremetrics into the manager spot, IMO. That interview was great. Curt sounded pissed that the Phillies didn't go after him harder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Espn.com reporting Derek Lee traded to the Cubs for Hee Seop Choi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Schilling deal isn't finisehd just yet. Wants an extension, and for some reason wants Terry Francona has manager. For some reason? Francona managed him for four years in Philadelphia, and Schilling really likes him. So Schilling likes the guy? That's not a reason to hire Francona. This is the same tired old boys network recycling run amok in sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Why the hell would the Cubs make this trade? They had a great first base prospect. They didn't need a first baseman. All this does is hurt their chances of getting a prime free agent while only moderately improving their team at first. And Verne, I gotta agree with you. A certain group of managers keep getting jobs only because they have prior managerial experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Hee Seop Choi, we hardly knew ye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 I think the NL Central has quickly devolved into a pissing contest between the Astros, Cardinals, and Cubs. What once looked like a highly competitive division is being squandered thanks to the Astros insistance to play Brad Ausmus, the Cardinals refusal to build a pitching staff, and the Cubs refusal to let a prospect play for their team. Consider the Cubs track record over the last three years. In addition to trading Choi, they also traded away Bobby Hill, their second base prospect. At least they got players back for Hill though. Consider some of the other memorable trades the Cubs have made the last few years..... AL Batting Champion Bill Mueller for Jeff Verplancke Reliever Tom Gordon for Ross Rohlicek, Travis Anderson and Mike Nannini 2002 Rookie of the Year Eric Hinske for Miguel Cairo And lets not forget that they also traded Dontrelle Willis. The Cubs have a terrible track record here, and one that should not go unnoticed, especially if they fail to win the NL pennant over the next few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Francona is a Yes Man who is loved by players around the league, that's why they're hiring him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruiser Chong 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 God dammit. Lee has an awesome glove, but Choi was possibly "the future." This sucks. Choi will officially break out this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Astros have offered Pettite a "ludicrously inflated" 3 year deal from what the radio is saying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
