PPV's that get all the love that you hate

[the pinjockey 0]

Well, he did lose the 3 stages of hell with HHH the PPV before the match didn't he? But I just took it as the angle, he hadn't had the belt in a while, he had become addicted to holding the belt so he wanted it back.

 

And when you have the addiction you don't think as clearly as "I beat Rock last year, so I should do it again this year." You just do everything to make sure that you end up with the belt.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

It "failed" because Angle was never suppose to win the title at Unforgiven. They only gave it to him because of Sept 11. Linda said so herself at the share holders meeting, therefore there was no effort to actually give Angle a decent run . And if Angle was a failure then why did Raw go from averaging a 4.5 rating with Angle as champ to a 4.0 when Austin won it back, until Flair came in and brought the ratings back up.

Whether or not Angle was "a failure" is really a moot point if he wasn't supposed to have the title in the first place. Besides, before Unforgiven 2001 RAW was averaging 4.8s.

 

At any rate, the period from when Austin won it back to when Flair returned was the last month and a half of the Alliance angle, which was truly some unwatchable, repetitive, frustrating shit. It came to no surprise that the ratings reflected this.

[Guest Ray]

It wasn't Austin was desperate to beat Rocky.  It was Austin was desperate to hold the belt.  The whole lead up was about the belt being Austin's drug and him doing anything and everything to hold it.  So the McMahon assistance did make sense, since that is the ultimate in desparation for the anti-authority Austin.

But there was never really any indication that he couldn't win it. From his return at Unforgiven to Wrestlemania, Austin was pretty much always booked to look strong. There was no losing streak or anything, and when he did lose to HHH, they completely downplayed it in the storylines. Given the way they built to the match, you'd have to make a pretty big jump in logic to adequately explain why Austin would call for McMahon's assistance.

IN the match, Austin tried everything he could to beat Rock, and nothing worked. THEN he accepted McMahon's help.

[Papacita 0]

It wasn't Austin was desperate to beat Rocky.  It was Austin was desperate to hold the belt.  The whole lead up was about the belt being Austin's drug and him doing anything and everything to hold it.  So the McMahon assistance did make sense, since that is the ultimate in desparation for the anti-authority Austin.

But there was never really any indication that he couldn't win it. From his return at Unforgiven to Wrestlemania, Austin was pretty much always booked to look strong. There was no losing streak or anything, and when he did lose to HHH, they completely downplayed it in the storylines. Given the way they built to the match, you'd have to make a pretty big jump in logic to adequately explain why Austin would call for McMahon's assistance.

IN the match, Austin tried everything he could to beat Rock, and nothing worked. THEN he accepted McMahon's help.

Yeah, but he would have had to approach Vince before the match in order to get his help, and Vince never would've agreed unless he knew that he could control Austin. Why would Austin give up his freedom for Vince's help against an opponent he'd never lost to when he was doing just fine on his own?

[DCMaximo 0]

QUOTE (RavishingRickRudo @ Nov 11 2003, 02:50 AM)

 

Even putting the Dudleys and Test along with Ivory and Austin in the Alliance didn't?

 

 

Ivory killed the InVasion? 

 

Sad to say, but Ivory joining the Alliance was my biggest mark out moment of the entire invasion. As a WCW fan (God, that summer was depressing) even I could accept that the women's roster for the Alliance was kinda weak, so when my favourite diva turned on the WWE, I was a happy bunny.

 

Oh, and Uncensored 2000 got totally shat over, but in retrospect I kinda enjoyed it. 3 Count/Knobbs was fun, Psychosis carried TAFKAPI to a good match and, for my sins, I enjoyed Booker/Kidman vs Harlem Heat 2000

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I think the real death of the Invasion was having Steph head of ECW. That and the fact that after that point it was just a bunch of WWF guys with one or two WCW/ECW guys was a real turnoff to the whole thing.

 

I think Halloween Havok 97 and Fall Brawl 97 get overlooked a lot. Uncensored 97 also gets overlooked a lot too.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

It wasn't Austin was desperate to beat Rocky.  It was Austin was desperate to hold the belt.  The whole lead up was about the belt being Austin's drug and him doing anything and everything to hold it.  So the McMahon assistance did make sense, since that is the ultimate in desparation for the anti-authority Austin.

But there was never really any indication that he couldn't win it. From his return at Unforgiven to Wrestlemania, Austin was pretty much always booked to look strong. There was no losing streak or anything, and when he did lose to HHH, they completely downplayed it in the storylines. Given the way they built to the match, you'd have to make a pretty big jump in logic to adequately explain why Austin would call for McMahon's assistance.

IN the match, Austin tried everything he could to beat Rock, and nothing worked. THEN he accepted McMahon's help.

Yeah, but he would have had to approach Vince before the match in order to get his help, and Vince never would've agreed unless he knew that he could control Austin. Why would Austin give up his freedom for Vince's help against an opponent he'd never lost to when he was doing just fine on his own?

Mcmahon indicates to Austin pre match that he'll offer help if needed knowing how much Austin wants the belt, Austin tells him where to stick it but Vince waits till Austin looks desperate and comes out anyway, Austin then decides to accept Vince's offer and calls for a chair

 

Simple

[Guest MikeSC]

Overrated: Just about ANY ECW PPV. Mediocrity abounded. Barely Legal gets more of the undeserved love than the others, so I suppose I'll name it specifically.

 

Underrated: Toughie. I think Backlash 2K is the best PPV I've ever seen (E & C dragged a good match out of Road Dogg & X-Pac) and not many say it is THAT good, so I suppose I'll say that.

-=Mike

[Austin3164life 0]

I don't frequently recall seeing people exclaiming about No Mercy 2001. It was a solid pay-per-view with the great Rock/Jericho match and the solid Three Way (I usually hate triple threats).

[Guest One Trick Pony]

I don't think Angle should have been leading a faction. When people thought WWF they thought Austin, Rock, Shawn, Taker, HHH maybe. One of the two top guys in WWF history shouldn't have jumped to the other side. If they had waited for the invasion until February then they would have had Hogan, Hall, Nash, and Flair atleast. HHH would be back too. Hennig could be put in something important before he died. Maybe more I'm forgetting because I hardly watched any of 2002. There would have to be no horrendous brand split and when Brock Lesnar came in you could have both "feds" compete over him and actually have made the crowd care for him right out the chute instead of 8 months down the road. All they had to do was wait 6 months.

 

About Spring Stampede 1999. I hate this pay-per-view that much more when people call it the last great WCW PPV. Sin was fucking great up until the pre-main event match and that was shy of a year later.

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Event: WCW Spring Stampede 1999

Date: April 11, 1999

Location: Tacoma, Washington

Arena: Tacoma Dome

Attendence: 17,690

 

Juventud Guerrera pinned Blitzkrieg (11:11)....

This match was total crap. I saw better in ECW's dying days. Juventud Guerrera who had proven he was far more entertaining at the end than Rey Jr. and Kidman was getting shoved with bottom of the barrel cruisers and trying to make them look good. I've never seen such horrible spot shit from anyone besides Blitzkrieg. This match didn't get total dissatisfaction though because I enjoyed seeing that waste get dropped on his head from the top.

 

Hardcore Match: Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Hak (11:33) in a "hardcore" match....

I have loved Bam Bam Bigelow from when I started watching wrestling until now and until forever. I couldn't watch this though. WCW didn't get that it couldn't do hardcore wrestling with a watered down Sandman, Bam Bam who just got his heat killed by Nash AND Goldberg, and Chastity who never had any heat to begin with. Hell the cameramen even got bored and just shot Chastity putting weapons in the ring.

 

Scotty Riggs pinned Mikey Whipwreck (7:03)....

Special bonus match. No one WCW put over Whipwreck. He jobbed to Scotty fuckin Riggs. This 7 minute match felt like 27 minutes because of how dead the crowd was and how bad Riggs is in the ring.

 

Konnan pinned Disco Inferno (9:17)....

I've liked Konnan and never have been able to stand Gilbertti which you think would make me hot for this match. Too bad that Disqo has never been decent in the ring or this match might have been decent. I thought the angle surrounding it was stupid as well.

 

World Cruiserweight Title Match: Rey Misterio, Jr. pinned Billy Kidman (15:32) to retain the title....

Who really wants to watch the same exact match from a month earlier but worse?

 

Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko defeated Raven and Staurn (14:11) when Malenko pinned Raven....

How do you book heels in collusion with the ref? Don't watch this match for reference. This was match of the night even if it had no competition. The finish fucking sucked though. Arn walks in casually, places down the chair, and walks out, all while casually talking to Robinson.

 

United States Heavyweight Title Match: Scott Steiner pinned Booker T (15:57) to win the vacant title....

Wanna know why the match is 15:57? About 10 minutes at most is stalling. I never got into Scott Steiner until January 2003 and by then titles meant nothing in WCW. I'm not a fan of stalling.

 

Bill Goldberg pinned Kevin Nash (7:44)....

Just exactly how many times did these two fight in some variation involving Scott Steiner?

There needs to be no explanation as to why I didn't care for the match

 

World Heavyweight Title Match (Four Corners Match): Diamond Dallas Page defeated Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, and Sting (17:27) in a "four corners" match to win the title. Randy Savage was the special referee.

I thought this would be WCW MOTY. Unfortunately I forgot that DDP was heatless at this point and they totally glossed over when he was really over, Ric Flair should have been gone after he feuded with the nWo, Hogan got taken out mid match, and Sting was left as the only person who could work and was over. I vaguely remember Savage involvement except in the finish. Just a huge disappointment of a main and DDP shouldn't have won.

[Papacita 0]

It wasn't Austin was desperate to beat Rocky.  It was Austin was desperate to hold the belt.  The whole lead up was about the belt being Austin's drug and him doing anything and everything to hold it.  So the McMahon assistance did make sense, since that is the ultimate in desparation for the anti-authority Austin.

But there was never really any indication that he couldn't win it. From his return at Unforgiven to Wrestlemania, Austin was pretty much always booked to look strong. There was no losing streak or anything, and when he did lose to HHH, they completely downplayed it in the storylines. Given the way they built to the match, you'd have to make a pretty big jump in logic to adequately explain why Austin would call for McMahon's assistance.

IN the match, Austin tried everything he could to beat Rock, and nothing worked. THEN he accepted McMahon's help.

Yeah, but he would have had to approach Vince before the match in order to get his help, and Vince never would've agreed unless he knew that he could control Austin. Why would Austin give up his freedom for Vince's help against an opponent he'd never lost to when he was doing just fine on his own?

Mcmahon indicates to Austin pre match that he'll offer help if needed knowing how much Austin wants the belt, Austin tells him where to stick it but Vince waits till Austin looks desperate and comes out anyway, Austin then decides to accept Vince's offer and calls for a chair

 

Simple

That scenario really doesn't make much sense to me. If Austin was proud enough to turn Vince down before the match, wouldn't he have ignored Vince and went for the chair himself? It's not like Vince can throw a better chairshot than Austin or anything. And accepting Vince's help would still require Austin to obey Vince. Nothing happened in that in that match that would justify Austin spontaneously jumping to that decision.

[Slayer 0]

I'm on the "WM X7 = overrated" list too, I bought and watched the DVD, and the only matches I'll watch again on repeat are TLC2 and Rock/Austin.

 

If they left in the Test/Eddy fuckup though it would've been gold.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

That scenario really doesn't make much sense to me. If Austin was proud enough to turn Vince down before the match, wouldn't he have ignored Vince and went for the chair himself? It's not like Vince can throw a better chairshot than Austin or anything. And accepting Vince's help would still require Austin to obey Vince. Nothing happened in that in that match that would justify Austin spontaneously jumping to that decision.

 

Austin had beaten Rock before and would have thought he would have won, especially with the stunner which had put Rock away before, once Rock gets past this Austin starts to question himself and allows Vince to help, No Vince can't throw a better chairshot but two people does mean Rock can be held in place

[JJMc 0]

Loved: WM IX, Rumble '94

 

Hated: WM 18, Slam '01

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I love the old school Survivor Series, especially 87, 88 & 90.

 

I hate Summerslam 2001, Wrestlemania X-8 & Wrestlemania XIV.

[Papacita 0]

That scenario really doesn't make much sense to me. If Austin was proud enough to turn Vince down before the match, wouldn't he have ignored Vince and went for the chair himself? It's not like Vince can throw a better chairshot than Austin or anything. And accepting Vince's help would still require Austin to obey Vince. Nothing happened in that in that match that would justify Austin spontaneously jumping to that decision.

 

Austin had beaten Rock before and would have thought he would have won, especially with the stunner which had put Rock away before, once Rock gets past this Austin starts to question himself

That's enough to warrant Austin "selling his soul"?

 

Really, if they wanted to play up Austin's desperation, they should've just gone with the chair finish and left it at that. They should've saved the McMahon turn for the rematch.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

That's enough to warrant Austin "selling his soul"?

 

Really, if they wanted to play up Austin's desperation, they should've just gone with the chair finish and left it at that. They should've saved the McMahon turn for the rematch.

 

You didn't think they did a great job of playing up just how much the belt meant to Austin ever since HHH had screwed him out of it?

 

Plus it's WWE logic that things tend to mean more if they happen at Wrestlemania and they had the HHH turn to fit in during the rematch so 2 turns might have over complicated things

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Ivory killed the InVasion?

 

She is an example of how the WWE stacked the Alliance with *WWE GUYS* and pushed *the same guys* rather than anyone new. Test, Dudleys, Austin. It was classic Vince McMahon "If I didn't create it".

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

And I mean, AS, do you think that the WWE will ever push Angle correctly? I mean, they've failed, what, 4 times now?

[Guest Megatron]

You didn't think they did a great job of playing up just how much the belt meant to Austin ever since HHH had screwed him out of it?

I thought they did a phenomenal job with that. But I also agree that Austin could have just turned heel on his own without Vince's help. He should have just whacked him with a chair and ended the match.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Ivory killed the InVasion?

 

She is an example of how the WWE stacked the Alliance with *WWE GUYS* and pushed *the same guys* rather than anyone new. Test, Dudleys, Austin. It was classic Vince McMahon "If I didn't create it".

That's why I ended up despising the entire angle, and in turn, the TV shows.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

You didn't think they did a great job of playing up just how much the belt meant to Austin ever since HHH had screwed him out of it?

I thought they did a phenomenal job with that. But I also agree that Austin could have just turned heel on his own without Vince's help. He should have just whacked him with a chair and ended the match.

Two reasons why that wouldn't work I'm afraid

 

1) It's Texas, it took Vince to get even small amounts of boos

 

2) Austin was a badass and not adverse to that kind of tatic anyway

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Overrated:

 

Great American Bash 89 - Sue me. Sting/Muta is nothing special, the Wargames is average. Only Steamboat/Luger & Flair/Funk are good-great. Best PPV ever my ass.

 

Royal Rumble 2001 - The ladder match is good but Angle/HHH is bad and the Rumble is REALLY underwhelming and predictablr.

 

Underrated:

 

Slamboree 94 - This gets NO LOVE. Sting/Vader blowoff(as close as possible to one), Cactus & Payne/Nasties(ECW never did anything good), an intense Funk/Tully match, a much betetr than expected Regal/Zbsyco match and no crap.

 

Halloween Havoc 97 - Eddie/Rey obviously, Savage carrying DDP to one of his best matches, other good cruiser stuff.

 

Fall Brawl 97 - Best Wargames since 92, Eddie/Jericho, good undercard stuff.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

They turned Austin at the wrong time. The fans were becoming a bit disinterested in him, but they weren't ready to outright boo him. They should have had Austin continue his schtick throughout the spring and let the fans get tired of it, while HHH gets hotter and hotter (though he was a heel, he was getting increased fanfare)... then you do a doubleturn.

[Guest Ray]

Just a side note here,

 

In Austin's book he says he wished he'd called off the heel turn right when he won the match at WM17. He admits it was a disaster. The massive pop he got showed that it would never work.

 

Jim Ross said to him "Why do you think John Wayne never played a Nazi?" (not an exact quote).

 

Austin said he could have stunnered McMahon and nobody would have cared about all the cheating he did to win. Too bad that didn't happen.

[PsychoDriver 0]

Overated: Anything from The Attitude era 98-99. That stuff doesn't hold up at all.

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

I still like all of the Attitude stuff from 1998/1999. Not exactly for the actual shows, but because that era is a very special era for me and I look back on those shows with nostaglia because it was a great time in my life.

[SamoaRowe 0]

I still like all of the Attitude stuff from 1998/1999. Not exactly for the actual shows, but because that era is a very special era for me and I look back on those shows with nostaglia because it was a great time in my life.

No kidding, eh?

 

Hmm... overrated?

 

WrestleMania X8! Why? The entire card was one big disappointment. I don't think a single match did anything for me besides maybe DDP going over Christian.

 

Underrated?

 

I think WrestleMania X9 is. Most of the matches did something for me and the night had that special feel to it. There was also no awful Drowning Pool and/or Saliva performances. Sure, Limp Bizkit sucked pretty hard but I could live with it.

[Guest Kane Fan]

Summerslam 00 - a lot of people say this is one of WWE's best ppvs, but I can't stand it: The main event is *** at most if I'm feeling generous, as the Stephanie/Angle part ruined the match and the selling was off. Kane/Taker is DUD. Y2J/Benoit is good, but too short and rushed - *** at most. TLC1 is the best of the lot, but I don't rate these spotfests highly - **. Pac/Dogg - borrrring, ditto for the other matches.

 

Wrestlemania 12 - lot of love for this one... but not from me. The Main event is poor due to very weak selling. The rest of the card is nothing to write home about...