Steviekick 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 courtesy of www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/ : ARCH ENEMY's MIKE AMOTT: 'Heavy Metal Fans Are Such Bitches' - Nov. 11, 2003 ARCH ENEMY founder/guitarist Mike Amott recently told Canada's Chart Attack that some fans take their favorite bands so seriously, they end up becoming a bigger pain in the ass than self-important journalists and their mocking questions. "Heavy metal fans are such bitches," he half-joked. "I hate our fans sometimes! They're so adamant about what they like and hate, they're the first people to nail us to the wall. Then they're the first ones to chant along to a song like 'We Will Rise' or say how much they adore us. What the hell kind of double-standard is that?" Amott grumbled about how the group's latest album, "Anthems Of Rebellion", has garnered some pretty serious critical praise, while the stringy-haired bangers in the front row gripe about the band having "sold out." "How the hell can we be 'selling out' when we're playing this sort of extreme music? Just because we put a bit of melody or dynamic here and there, people jump all over us, saying we're selling out. At the same time, they keep saying how much they love the album. Make up your minds!" ARCH ENEMY are in the middle of a U.S. tour with SLAYER and HATEBREED. A U.K. headlining trek will follow in late December. -------------------------- So what does everyone think about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Spencer 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 He's right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Look at CoreyLaz for a PRIME example of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 I think that if your fans are complaining that you sold out (Which metal fans will do at the drop of a hat, I swear) saying that you hate them probably isn't the best way to win them back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 12, 2003 You'd think but in Heavy Metal it's an entirely differently relationship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 actually that happens to all kinds of fans of any music, it just happens more to metal bands than anyone else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Honestly, metal fans are the most narrow minded idiots on the planet, to the point of "Thats not loud! I don't like that!" See Zakk Wylde for a pretty good example of one. I drink beer and curse every word! I am metal dammit! Cliches are fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Its not our fault "Anthems of Rebellion" sucked. Amott should shut the fuck up. Arch Enemy 'sold out' (if you wanna call it that) when they picked Gossow as the vocalist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Nevermortal Posted on Nov 11 2003, 10:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its not our fault "Anthems of Rebellion" sucked. Amott should shut the fuck up. Arch Enemy 'sold out' (if you wanna call it that) when they picked Gossow as the vocalist. I honestly think it would be a major stretch to say they sold out simply by having a women do their vocals. Mindless_Aggression Posted on Nov 11 2003, 10:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Honestly, metal fans are the most narrow minded idiots on the planet, to the point of "Thats not loud! I don't like that!" See Zakk Wylde for a pretty good example of one. I drink beer and curse every word! I am metal dammit! Cliches are fun. What most people dont seem to understand is that very few metal players/bands live the " if it ain't loud, it sucks" gimmick. Very few rappers would admit to listening to rock, very few metal guys would admit(or at least publicly acknowledge) that they listen to other forms of music. The biggest exception to this rule is Devin Townsned. Big Missy Elliot fan, he is. As far as Honestly, metal fans are the most narrow minded idiots on the planet this goes, dude I can only hope you aren't being sincere and I just missed a joke there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Arch Enemy ruled it live. As far as most metalheads being fickle goes..how is this news? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 I believe we had this type of discussion in another thread about metal fans, and while I try to be an exception, I end up falling into the trap occasionally too Examples: Iron Maiden gets new different kind of vocalist in Blaze Bayley and gets shit on by fans. Judas Priest gets a very similar kind of vocalist in Tim Owens and gets shit on by fans. If a metal band rehashes the same album three or more times (see: most any power metal band ala Helloween or Hammerfall) they get shit on for being "stagnant". If they make a sudden change in style like, say, metal to electrono, in the cases of Paradise Lost or Theater of Tragedy, then they're shit on for suddenly changing styles and get slapped with the (other) "s" word. And that's not even getting into the likes of Metallica post-1996 or nu-metal/"mallcore" (the cans of worms which I'm not gonna open up here) I just try to listen to my metal and enjoy it, and occasionally bitch, but only because it's fun to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Its not our fault "Anthems of Rebellion" sucked. Amott should shut the fuck up. Arch Enemy 'sold out' (if you wanna call it that) when they picked Gossow as the vocalist. They didn't sell out when Gossow joined. Wages of Sin was a great album. Anthems of Rebellion wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Very few rappers would admit to listening to rock, very few metal guys would admit(or at least publicly acknowledge) that they listen to other forms of music. The biggest exception to this rule is Devin Townsned. Big Missy Elliot fan, he is. That is a new reason why Devin Townsend is amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dace59 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 I'll see how it goes live when I see them in December. It think it's not the best idea to bitch out people being bitches. It's... just to ironic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2003 Iron Maiden gets new different kind of vocalist in Blaze Bayley and gets shit on by fans. True, but with reason. Blaze was pretty decent singer on the albums, but you can't deny the fact that he could not preform on stage that well, let alone, as good as Bruce Dickinson. I mean Blaze does better songs than Bruce when it comes of the Virtual XI album or X-Factor, and Paul D'Ianno has a gruff voice as well on the first two albums, and Bruce doesn't really fit to those songs as well. Judas Priest gets a very similar kind of vocalist in Tim Owens and gets shit on by fans. Most Priests fans from the 80's followed them around like a pop-act. They really had not much longevity, and depth after Screaming for Vengance. Painkiller was allright, but after only one or two hits off an album, its like buying a half decent CD. Most fans abandon them after 91, and once Halford admitted he's gay and left the band...well they went down underground. Priest did have some good stuff with Owens as a vocalist, but never went to the mainstream again. If a metal band rehashes the same album three or more times (see: most any power metal band ala Helloween or Hammerfall) they get shit on for being "stagnant". If they make a sudden change in style like, say, metal to electrono, in the cases of Paradise Lost or Theater of Tragedy, then they're shit on for suddenly changing styles and get slapped with the (other) "s" word. Its like any band in any category. Metallica's RtL, MoP, and AJFA, are almost the same album basically, and really stagnant, but look how many people think those are the best albums for metal that were not mainstream music. Sometimes being stagnant is the way to go, and if changing the music, can really fuck you over with the fans, like Metallica did. And sometimes a band that doesn't have staying power like most hair bands near the end of the 80's, tries to change their music to become more popular, which does not occur, and simply become washed up. I love metal, and I don't think metal re-hashes itself, unless it becomes to the mainstream. Underground bands would try to change their styles to the right niche. Arch Enemy puts in Gossow as a singer. A chick doin death metal, and pulls it well....who'd thunk. A rough soundin Paul D'Ianno gets booted out of Iron Maiden, and puts in a high pitch screamin Bruce Dickinson as a vocalist, and now one of the biggests metal acts ever to occur. Zakk plays his music, loud and heavy, just like back in the day. Today he's in a music world that basically, newer mainstream rock bands think they are the heaviest thing since the beatles. He's tellin to all those little pop-rockers that bands such as Black Sabbath, The Who, Motorhead, Metallica, Slayer, Ozzy, before most of their time, were considered, heavy, loud, aggressive, not todays standard of "hard-rock". Zakk has every right to be upset about the music today. Hell many people thought Zakk as a Randy Rhoades rip-off, long blond hair, skinny, les paul guitar, everybody wrote him off as just some kind of novelty act. No More Tears comes out, B.L.S. starts up. Zakk is not Randy Rhoades. Zakk Wylde is Zakk Wylde, and while you can talk shit all you want about Zakk, he is one of the best guitarists today in the metal music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Oh no, Choken made fun of me for liking metal music. Honestly, Choken...when have I been this kind of a bitch? I've always said post-Black Metallica wasn't metal (but Load was a great ROCK album), and that several songs by Shadows Fall were mediocre-at-best (but when they're great, they're great). Fans of any kind of music, particularly the hardcore fans that will delve into the scene(s) and pick a band to adore, will nitpick about everything. It's been happening forever, so why bitch about it now? I will say that he's right, but that it's not a good career move at all to say "I hate my fans." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 13, 2003 I never said you a were a bitch...I was refering to the people take some bands very seriously part... It wasn't meant as anything negative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Oh. I retract all possible insulting comments...well, most. And yes, I do take my favorite bands very seriously. As should anybody with their own favorite bands. I think that's a huge sign of respect to the band members when you take them extremely seriously, as it shows a connection on some plane with their work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Zakk Wylde's pretty good, but he's also full of shit. He sells PLENTY of albums, just like all the people he bashes, and his sound is just as stagnant and played out. Sure, he's got chops, but so did Ted Nugent, and look where his career ended up. Moderately successful, if insignifigant, for the most part. I'll definitely say that he never really modified his sound to sell records, but that's only because he's always had a sound that sold them. Straightforward hard rock. I fail to see how he's novel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Its like any band in any category. Metallica's RtL, MoP, and AJFA, are almost the same album basically, and really stagnant, but look how many people think those are the best albums for metal that were not mainstream music. How are those albums the same? Those three albums and "Kill Em All" are musically different from the next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Sure, he's got chops, but so did Ted Nugent, and look where his career ended up. Moderately successful, if insignifigant, for the most part. I'll definitely say that he never really modified his sound to sell records, but that's only because he's always had a sound that sold them. Straightforward hard rock. Ted Nugent in the 70's had the right sound for the time. He was playing the sleazy, blues inspired rock. Great riffs, licks and leads. But, I would say he modified his sound when he joined up with Damn Yankees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack_Bauer 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 I agree even though I like Heavy Metal, I know most fans of the stuff are just total idiots sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Furgh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2003 Its like any band in any category. Metallica's RtL, MoP, and AJFA, are almost the same album basically, and really stagnant, but look how many people think those are the best albums for metal that were not mainstream music. Yes, because "Phantom Lord" sounds like "For Whom The Bell Tolls," which sounds just like "Orion," which sounds identical to "Blackened." This comment REEKS of ignorance, man. Anybody can listen to those four albums and realize they're all different. Hell, the only two albums with similar song structures were Lightning and Puppets. Zakk plays his music, loud and heavy, just like back in the day. Today he's in a music world that basically, newer mainstream rock bands think they are the heaviest thing since the beatles. He's tellin to all those little pop-rockers that bands such as Black Sabbath, The Who, Motorhead, Metallica, Slayer, Ozzy, before most of their time, were considered, heavy, loud, aggressive, not todays standard of "hard-rock". Zakk has every right to be upset about the music today. Hell many people thought Zakk as a Randy Rhoades rip-off, long blond hair, skinny, les paul guitar, everybody wrote him off as just some kind of novelty act. No More Tears comes out, B.L.S. starts up. Zakk is not Randy Rhoades. Zakk Wylde is Zakk Wylde, and while you can talk shit all you want about Zakk, he is one of the best guitarists today in the metal music. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Zakk is better than Randy Rhoades. True, Rhodes did write many classic riffs, but BLS' 1919 Eternal is one of the greatest albums I've ever had the privilege of hearing, and beats the shit out of anything Rhodes could have ever dreamed of writing before his death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The TRUE Fonzie Report post Posted November 13, 2003 I gotta heyuh dis Ahch Enemy wunnuh dese days. I been tole he a lot like Neil Sedaka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 I have decided that "genre classification" is just incredibly too pointless... I mean...I can say that I enjoyed Metallica (in MOST of their forms) and that I can also listen to bands like Taproot, Shadows Fall, Skyclad, Stereomud, Darwins Waiting Room, and like a billion other bands situated in tons of genres shit... I listen to Sublime, Phish, and Pink Floyd every damn day... but I can also listen to MXPX, Less Than Jake, Five Iron Frenzy, Reel Big Fish, and other punk/ska alternatives... My mix CDs go everywhere from Rusted Root , Ben Harper, and Dave Matthews to Hendrix, Clapton, Marley, and bands like Neurosis... I'm such an eclectic bastard. Side Note: I've never heard Arch Enemy and I probably never will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 So your liking of many different genre's (a trait most of us here share) makes the entire genre classification pointless? I fail to see the logic in such reasoning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 I dunno... i just went off on a tangent there...it's just hard to classify some bands under ONE genre...and i know many that just LOVE to do that and it drives me crazy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest subliminal_animal Report post Posted November 14, 2003 I can't believe this guy no-showed three matches. Unprofessional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Amazing Rando 0 Report post Posted November 14, 2003 woah... talking about fake fake wrestling outside of the fake fake wrestling folder.... and an eerie silence crept over the thread... Oh...and on subject again... I'll bet their hardcore hardcore hardcore fans will actually like to hear themselves cut down like this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
