Brock Lesnar's Mystique is Gone

[Guest Kamui]

Watching Brock Lesnar's entrance on Smackdown tonight, it hit me like a ton of bricks- the mystique is gone. Brock Lesnar....is now just another wrestler.

 

Hear me out. I was live at Madison Square Garden for Survivor Series '02. I listened to that crowd go fucking CRAZY when he came out. I watched TV for months afterwards, and the man had it. He had a mystique that said "I'm something special."

 

It's gone now. Brock's just another big man, a particuarly talented one yes, but the mystique is gone. All of his push has been rendered useless in a few months worth of time.

 

I watched John Cena come out and do his entire rap before that, and noticed that he's the latest one with a mystique to him.

 

Who wants to start making bets as to when his mystique is gone?

 

-Duo

Edited November 14, 2003 by Duo

[EricMM 0]

Thats the thing about novelty.

 

It CAN'T last forever.

[SinToxic 0]

maybe he just stopped drinking mystique.

[Cherry Blossom Viscount 0]

Watching Brock Lesnar's entrance on Smackdown tonight, it hit me like a ton of bricks- the mystique is gone. Brock Lesnar....is now just another wrestler.

 

Hear me out. I was live at Madison Square Garden for Survivor Series '01. I listened to that crowd go fucking CRAZY when he came out. I watched TV for months afterwards, and the man had it. He had a mystique that said "I'm something special."

 

It's gone now. Brock's just another big man, a particuarly talented one yes, but the mystique is gone. All of his push has been rendered useless in a few months worth of time.

 

I watched John Cena come out and do his entire rap before that, and noticed that he's the latest one with a mystique to him.

 

Who wants to start making bets as to when his mystique is gone?

 

-Duo

Um, Brock Lesnar at SurSer 01? That doesn't add up........

[Guest Duncan Eternia]

maybe he just stopped drinking mystique.

LOL

 

I think Lesnar still has "it". Just has to be booked right. Which is asking for a LOT right now.

[Guest Kamui]

Watching Brock Lesnar's entrance on Smackdown tonight, it hit me like a ton of bricks- the mystique is gone. Brock Lesnar....is now just another wrestler.

 

Hear me out. I was live at Madison Square Garden for Survivor Series '01. I listened to that crowd go fucking CRAZY when he came out. I watched TV for months afterwards, and the man had it. He had a mystique that said "I'm something special."

 

It's gone now. Brock's just another big man, a particuarly talented one yes, but the mystique is gone. All of his push has been rendered useless in a few months worth of time.

 

I watched John Cena come out and do his entire rap before that, and noticed that he's the latest one with a mystique to him.

 

Who wants to start making bets as to when his mystique is gone?

 

-Duo

Um, Brock Lesnar at SurSer 01? That doesn't add up........

Thanks for catching that, edited.

 

-Duo

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Well getting jobbed out in tag matches for a month straight really doesn't do much for a guy.

[Guest Ray]

Well getting jobbed out in tag matches for a month straight really doesn't do much for a guy.

What he said^^^.

 

 

 

Stupid WWE...

[Steviekick 0]

maybe he just stopped drinking mystique.

LOL

 

I think Lesnar still has "it". Just has to be booked right. Which is asking for a LOT right now.

Agreed. In his original heel run, he was booked to be a monster. Now he's just blah.

[JN News 0]

I think he should change his music. Maybe he should come out to Fozzy's "Balls To The Wall". That should get his juices flowing.

 

 

 

 

 

Who is booking Brock to be like this, anyway?

[Just call me Dan 0]

I still see mystique in him the same as I see in Angle or Benoit. You just never know what he is going to bust out in the ring. I mean tonight he does a Perfect-Plex, bumps around the ring like a cruiserweight ect. not to metion that crazy cradle suples he's taken a liking too, and the one-legged F-5 at SS. The guy is just amazing because of his strength, and there isn't one match I watch of his that doesn't grab my attention. I WANT to see what he does next.

[Guest Just J]

Brock was a Goldberg ripoff and has no real redeeming qualities as for as "the business" goes. I am really surprised he's made it this far.

[Just call me Dan 0]

You can't dent the athleticism and the effort. He is crisp and very powerful. having no redeeming qualities at all and not deserving of his spot seems a little far fetched to me. I've always known you hated the guy, but don't you think that's just a BIT biased?

[Guest Just J]

I wouldn't go as far to say he is crisp in the ring. He still looks like he has down sydrome sometimes in the ring. He doesn't have a great presense in the ring at all. But that was just my opinion so take it for what it's worth. His mic skills are non-exsistent also.

[Guest ToddRoyal]

The guy definitely had a mystique about him that has diminished. I don't think it's gone entirely, but what itused to be was amazing.

 

I saw him in a dark match at Raw in 2001 (The Rock/Austin duet show) and he captured the attention of the crowd in a short squash of Rico. You could tell he had something.

 

The reactions he got at Royal Rumble this year were just amazing. He had the crowd completely into a short curtain-jerker with Big Show, and was majorly over coming out of the Rumble itself. Leaving the Fleet that night 3 things were heard in every conversation: How AWFUL the HHH/Steiner match was, how AMAZING Benoit/Angle was, and how over/impressive Brock was.

 

Sadly, I think he's lost some of that ever since Wrestlemania. Hopefully he can get it back.

[Guest Ray]

Brock was a Goldberg ripoff and has no real redeeming qualities as for as "the business" goes.

How about good wrestling skills?

[Steviekick 0]

He needs to work with Heyman more.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I'm suprised he managed to keep the mystique after he jobbed.

 

It was when the lame duck WM XIX title reign began that he started reaching lame duck status. Brock couldn't beat Big Show and Not Team Angle, which is understandable, but Angle can? Then he jobbed a few more times. I think at one point the Big Show chokeslammed him and the goddamn FBI got the pin or something.

 

 

He's simply jobbed out too much.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

"Brock Lesnar's Mystique is Gone"

 

I've thought that for awhile now. A few days ago I had said that he was now a larger Chris Jericho with tattoos. Up until tonight all he seemed to do was talk trash, throw chairshots at any opportunity, and get saved by his henchmen when he got in trouble (which was often). Just like Jericho on RAW.

 

My jaw dropped when Cole the Moron flat out stated "Brock is the smallest man on his team". His size is 90% of his mystique. WWE doesn't seem to realize how they center everything around him, yet at the same time emasculate him.

[Steviekick 0]

My jaw dropped when Cole the Moron flat out stated "Brock is the smallest man on his team". His size is 90% of his mystique. WWE doesn't seem to realize how they center everything around him, yet at the same time emasculate him.

That's what I was thinking too. They totally destroyed his "big monster" credibility. He looks more like Grover than Cookie Monster now.

[jester 0]

This is going to bring up the usual Taker-hate and anti-Taker hater stuff, but I really think it's worth mentioning.

 

Brock should never have lost to Taker. Ever. Their whole philosophy of trading jobs has led to this "Brock is just another wrestler" feeling. I'm not saying it's Taker's fault, but with everyone trading wins and losses, nobody can stand out. Everybody looks half-assed.

 

When they made HHH a star, they clearly established that Foley could not beat him. As in, the old guard could not beat the new guard. As much as I hate HHH now, it was the right thing to do then.

 

Who "can't" beat Brock now? They've got him in a program with Sparky Plugg? A heel of Brock's supposed level should kill him just by sneezing.

[Guest Ray]

A heel of Brock's supposed level should kill him just by sneezing.

We can't HHHave Brock look too stong, you know...

[Steviekick 0]

This is going to bring up the usual Taker-hate and anti-Taker hater stuff, but I really think it's worth mentioning.

 

Brock should never have lost to Taker. Ever. Their whole philosophy of trading jobs has led to this "Brock is just another wrestler" feeling. I'm not saying it's Taker's fault, but with everyone trading wins and losses, nobody can stand out. Everybody looks half-assed.

 

When they made HHH a star, they clearly established that Foley could not beat him. As in, the old guard could not beat the new guard. As much as I hate HHH now, it was the right thing to do then.

 

Who "can't" beat Brock now? They've got him in a program with Sparky Plugg? A heel of Brock's supposed level should kill him just by sneezing.

HHH was able to get over by looking unbeatable in his feuds with Foley. Brock needed/needs some ME'r to continually go over to be looked at as being credible/dominant. His feuds with Undertaker and Angle haven't done it.

[deancoles 0]

Can anyone recall the last time brock won a match clean?

[Just call me Dan 0]

Ironman was pretty clean.

[Guest Kamui]

If they want to save Brock, he needs to start going on a rampage again. Survivor Series, needs to eliminate everyone but Benoit and Benoit get some kind of fluke pin on him. Then he proceeds to kill Benoit for two months straight before beating him at Royal Rumble cleanly.

 

No Way Out, feed him Undertaker, and have Brock KILL HIM. No mutual respect bullshit like in '02, no interference bullshit like at No Mercy. Just a straight, clean win for Brock. No offense from Undertaker.

 

And, of course, Wrestlemania XX Goldberg should job to Brock. Cleanly.

 

If they went through with all that, they'd have a legitimate MEer on their hands rather than the up-and-down one they have now. Of course, they're not gonna do that, so I'm just hoping Benoit gets a run at the title soon instead, because the current Brock character is just an oversized Jericho with slightly more credibility. i.e. NOT GOOD

 

-Duo

[Just call me Dan 0]

Putting him cleanly over and over Benoit and then Undertaker and then Goldberg is overkill. He runs into the Trips syndrome and then has no one left.

 

Even if you did do that, eventually he is going to trade losses with someone and its back to the srawing board. He whipped Rock's ass and then he beat Taker clean in HIAC. He wiped the floor with Angle. It's just going to happen. People lose unless they get the Austin/HHH superman treatment and have the belt for most of a year or two.

 

They're not going to do that with Brock, and 'd say Benoit is going to make him tap at Rumble.

[bob_barron 0]

Ironman was pretty clean.

The ironman wasn't clean at all.

 

The whole story of the match was Brock cheating like mad to win the title

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I don't think he's won a match clean since he went back to being a heel.

[Just call me Dan 0]

Ironman was pretty clean.

The ironman wasn't clean at all.

 

The whole story of the match was Brock cheating like mad to win the title

Barron, you're missing the point. Yes, he cheated, but he took falls for that. He sill had to overcome those falls. Also, the FINISH saw him trapped in the same Anklelock he had been in a couple of times in the match already. the same anklelock that made him tap clean TWICE at SS. The same anklelock that garnered the "you tapped out" chants from the fans for weeks leading up to this confrontation. Not to mention the famed "heel lock" that forced Chris Benoit to tap and give up his title quest in favor of Brock going on the hunt thast year. Brock stayed in it and went the distance. He didn't tap, and Kurt wasn't able to regain enough momentum to beat Lesnar who at one time was up what, 4 falls? CLEAN.