Kinetic 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 The actual placement of albums by the same artists is confusing to me, since it really contradicts popular opinion in a lot of spots. I mean, I'm completely offended by the fact that the Kinks don't appear on the list until well into the 200s, considering that they were the second best (British, which absolves me from even getting into any Motown stuff) studio band to emerge in the 60s, but the fact that Something Else by The Kinks comes after The Kink Kronikles is just stupid. Ditto Eno's Another Green World before Here Come The Warm Jets. And post-Eno Roxy Music albums over the first two? Fuck off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Doyo Report post Posted November 21, 2003 People keep bashing Rolling Stone for the results, but it was 273 people from the music industry that voted on it, unlike their top guitarist list that the magazine made on their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5_moves_of_doom 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Joe Strummer's death may have made people give him more credit than he deserved for that last album of his, but London Calling and the self-titled album have been favorites since their release. Perhaps they ARE overrated to some, but in this case, it's not a "they only like that 'cuz the one guy's dead" thing. Streetcore is a good album. It's not as good as Global a Go-Go, but it's still great. His death didn't help it out, as his guitarists had to finish the musical parts, but I haven't really read any reviews praising the album or calling it the best ever. The reviews I've read call it the 3rd best Mescalaros album. I think it's the 2nd best, but I'm no critic, what do I know? And no, The Clash aren't overrated. Eh, they're my fourth favorite band of all time, but still, some people might see them as being so. Anyhow, Streetcore is awesome, but allmusic.com gives it five out of five stars, compared to all of his other solo stuff being about... three, so that's what I was judging off of. Meh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 What is all the hate towards Nevermind all about? Can anyone possibly deny its influence on 1990s rock? I didn't read each and every one of the 500, but what was In Utero on the list? I actually like it better than Nevermind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Baron 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 in Utero was in the low 400 I think. Actually Nevermind is really not a solid album through and through. While it did had some bright spots, and the popularity of Teen Spirit, its nothin special. Dirt by AiC is 10000x better. And no Rush either...No Canadian bands either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Influence? Yeah, Thank fucking god for Puddle of Mudd. Same goes for AIC "influencing" Godsmack (Good/decent until the 2 and 3 albums were a copy of the first album) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Wait we can hold influencing bands that aren't so great against a band many years after they were a relevent current band? If so we should all shit on Black Sabbath, after all they have influenced alot of not so good bands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 21, 2003 or The Doors for giving us SCOTT STAPP? Although I like creed, but not Stapp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2003 All music that influenced not so good music should be burned BURNED I SAY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 21, 2003 So since No one was influenced by Don Johnson and his classic "HEARTBEAT"...Will it be the only surviving artistic music around? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Someone had to have been influenced by such amazing musical talent. "I'm looooookiiiiing for aaa heeeeartbeeeeat" I mean come on who could resist such greatness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 Yes it will, Choken. When we go all Farenhiet 451 on music, only "Heartbeat" will survive. Perhaps The Waitress' classic "I Know What Boys Want" as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 133. Ready to Die, The Notorious B.I.G. -Another case of dead=legend. I have a hard time believing that this is better then any single rock album put out within the last 10 years or so. It is. All the rest of your line-by-lines I pretty much agree with, but not this one. That album is fricking incredible. If you don't like rap, then no, you won't like it. And actually, if you don't like gangsta-type rap, you probably won't like this either. It's not flat-out gangsta rap since it really is a wonderfully pensive work (yes, I just used "pensive" when referring to B.I.G.), but I'd definitely class it as similar to, say, Straight Outta Compton. It's still the best album Bad Boy has ever put out, and though I personally would have put an Outkast album and perhaps Jay-Z's The Blueprint above it, I have no problem with this being one of the highest-rated rap albums to appear on this list. I definitely think it belongs there. You want death = legend, I guess you could look at the barely-posthumously released Life After Death, but aside from the singles and maybe half the album tracks, no one really regards that as a classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 You want death = legend, I guess you could look at the barely-posthumously released Life After Death, but aside from the singles and maybe half the album tracks, no one really regards that as a classic. The Source did -- like that means anything to begin with. I remember the UPROAR people had because the Source gave Life After Death a Five-40 oz.-bottle rating and didn't give 2Pac's posthumously released album the same score. 'Dem West Coast haters... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anorak 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 I mean, I'm completely offended by the fact that the Kinks don't appear on the list until well into the 200s, considering that they were the second best (British, which absolves me from even getting into any Motown stuff) studio band to emerge in the 60s, but the fact that Something Else by The Kinks comes after The Kink Kronikles is just stupid. Completely agreed on both points there. They easily have to be one of the top 10 bands of the 60's in most people's eyes. REM's placings are way too low as well, Automatic For The People is a modern classic and its about 247 on the list? Madness. How either band misses the top 50 let alone nearly the top 200 is beyond me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 I just noticed there was no Bon Jovi on this list. "Slippery When Wet" isn't great enough, but bands like The Strokes who are still unproven get on the list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 That's the difference between being a "hair band" and a critic's darling, Fear. Critics everywhere love The Strokes. But even though Bon Jovi shed their hair band image, matured, stuck around, and still manage to sell-out arenas, they get snubbed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted November 21, 2003 bon jovi...bah they don't deserve on the list. Slippery When Wet was their only decent album. Their recent stuff doesn't support nominating them either. It's nothing but easy listening dreck that sounds like all the bands that sound like Goo Goo Dolls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2003 But Def Leppard makes the list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 It's a good enough list for me. They don't do anything utterly ridiculous even if they still have an inability to do a list where Nirvana/Kurdt Cobain isn't in the top twenty for whatever reason. I'd put Nevermind in the top one hundred simply for how important the album is, like it or hate it, but not at seventeen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5_moves_of_doom 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 I'm pretty fine with the top 25 part of the list, but there's no way in fucking hell that the Clash should be #8. I hate the fact that as soon as someone in a band (especially the frontperson) dies that they are suddenly immortalized and given much more credit than they honestly deserve. London Calling has been regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time for a long time - way before Joe Strummer kicked it. From where I sit, perhaps only Exile on Main St. manages to be as good as long and as consistently as London Calling. Hrm, what about Zen Arcade and Sign 'O' The Times, Edwin? ...By the way, where IS Zen Arcade on this list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 I haven't spent enough time with Husker Du to make any really legitimate judgments beyond "damn do I love 'Pink Turns To Blue'." Sign O' The Times is a different kind of big album, and anything but cohesive. I love it for that and think the manic all-overness is one of its biggest strengths, but I'd say Dirty Mind is the most cohesive thing he ever did. And that's just half an hour, which sorta takes it out of this long-and-strong discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 11and0baby Report post Posted November 24, 2003 Personally Bat Out of Hell is way too Low. Most of the songs on that Album are very well known are classics. But thats just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
godthedog 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 I'm pretty fine with the top 25 part of the list, but there's no way in fucking hell that the Clash should be #8. I hate the fact that as soon as someone in a band (especially the frontperson) dies that they are suddenly immortalized and given much more credit than they honestly deserve. London Calling has been regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time for a long time - way before Joe Strummer kicked it. From where I sit, perhaps only Exile on Main St. manages to be as good as long and as consistently as London Calling. 'electric ladyland' and 'blonde on blonde' >>> 'exile' 'exile' has several weak points: "soul survivor," "tumbling dice" (which i think is totally unspectacular in every way possible), and some songs that, while overall are good, seem like they were just trying to stretch out a really good melody or guitar line to 3 or 4 minutes ("let it loose," "all down the line," "torn and frayed"). it's basically a 70-minute plus album with a little less than an hour's worth of ideas. as a whole, it works in stops and starts, & i don't find it any more consistent than the white album (whose high points are far better than anything on 'exile'). the flow of it stumbles at "let it loose," and it never builds up the energy that it had earlier. the last 3 tracks in a row just make me tired. 'electric ladyland' has 2 albums' worth of ideas, and explores all of them. i don't think "1983" could've been a second shorter, and the only unnecessary thing about the 15-minute "voodoo chile" is the long stretch of crowd noises at the end. even the tracks that seem like they should be throwaways ("rainy day...", "still raining...") are woven into the album in a certain way to keep it interesting, & the whole record never lets up. 'blonde on blonde' isn't really an album of ideas, but dylan keeps the whole thing compelling up to the end with so many great songs, and that run of the last 4 songs is amazing ("absolutely sweet marie," "4th time around," "obviously 5 believers," "sad-eyed lady of the lowlands"). compare it with the last 4 tracks on 'exile', and 'exile' doesn't stand a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 Ouch. No love for "Tumbling Dice." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingDeacon 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 See, I like Tumbling Dice too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 At least I'm not the only one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 "Tumbling Dice" is one of my faves, possibly top 5 Stones for me. GTD now holds the distinction of being the only person I've ever witnessed not like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrestlingDeacon 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2003 My favorite Stones songs: Beast of Burden Under My Thumb Start Me Up Paint it Black Tumbling Dice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Mine, I think: "Rocks Off" "Tumbling Dice" "Salt of the Earth" "Under My Thumb" "Brown Sugar" The Rolling Stone thread transforms into the Rolling Stones thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
