Guest Ray Report post Posted December 6, 2003 If there's one good thing about 2003, it's fewer title changes! Just compare 2003 to 1999 (the worst year for titles bouncing all over the place): WWF/E Title 03/30/2003 - Brock Lesnar 07/27/2003 - Kurt Angle 09/16/2003 - Brock Lesnar 01/24/1999 - The Rock 01/26/1999 - Mankind 02/15/1999 - The Rock 03/28/1999 - Steve Austin 05/23/1999 - Undertaker 06/28/1999 - Steve Austin 08/22/1999 - Mankind 08/23/1999 - Triple H 09/13/1999 - Vince McMahon 09/26/1999 - Triple H 11/14/1999 - The Big Show WWF/E Intercontinental Title 05/18/2003 - Christian 07/07/2003 - Booker T 08/10/2003 - Christian 09/29/2003 - Rob Van Dam 10/27/2003 - Chris Jericho 10/27/2003 - Rob Van Dam 02/13/1999 - Val Venis 03/15/1999 - Road Dogg 03/29/1999 - Goldust 04/12/1999 - The Godfather 05/25/1999 - Jeff Jarrett 07/24/1999 - Edge 07/25/1999 - Jeff Jarrett 07/27/1999 - D'Lo Brown 08/22/1999 - Jeff Jarrett 10/17/1999 - Chyna 12/12/1999 - Chris Jericho WWF/E Tag Titles 01/06/2003 - William Regal & Lance Storm 01/19/2003 - Bubba Dudley & D-Von Dudley 01/20/2003 - William Regal & Lance Storm 03/24/2003 - Sean Morley & Lance Storm 03/31/2003 - Rob Van Dam & Kane 06/15/2003 - Renee Dupree & Sylvan Grenier 09/21/2003 - Bubba Dudley & D-Von Dudley 01/25/1999 - Owen Hart & Jeff Jarrett 04/05/1999 - Kane & X-Pac 05/25/1999 - Faarooq & Bradshaw 06/29/1999 - Matt Hardy & Jeff Hardy 07/25/1999 - Faarooq & Bradshaw 08/09/1999 - Kane & X-Pac 08/22/1999 - The Undertaker & Big Show 08/30/1999 - Mankind & The Rock 09/07/1999 - Undertaker & Big Show 09/20/1999 - Mankind & The Rock 09/21/1999 - Billy Gunn & Road Dogg 10/12/1999 - Mankind & The Rock 10/18/1999 - Bob Holly & Crash Holly 11/02/1999 - Mankind & Al Snow 11/08/1999 - Billy Gunn & Road Dogg Fewer title changes = good. Don't you agree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Fewer title changes = good. Don't you agree? Very much so. Though, I still wish they would keep it down to the 3 major (WWE, IC, Tag) and 2 extras (Cruiser and Women's) I'm sure they could find SOME way to make it work with both rosters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I could've done with a change or two more for the World Heavyweight title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I could've done with a change or two more for the World Heavyweight title. Well that's not the REAL title anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Hey, it could be a LOT worse. Chris Benoit- January 16, 2000 Sid Vicious- January 24, 2000 Kevin Nash- January 26, 2000 Sid Vicious- January 26, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- April 16, 2000 Dallas Page- April 24, 2000 David Arquette- April 26, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 7, 2000 Ric Flair- May 15, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 22, 2000 Kevin Nash- May 23, 2000 Ric Flair- May 29, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 29, 2000 Hulk Hogan- July 9, 2000 Booker T- July 9, 2000 And that's a little over half a year. ..wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I could've done with a change or two more for the World Heavyweight title. EVERYONE could have. Unfortunately...SEIG TRIPS! was in full effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I could've done with a change or two more for the World Heavyweight title. Well that's not the REAL title anyway Right. If there were plans to re-unify the rosters, I'd LOVE for Brock Lesnar to start calling himself the REAL World's Champion...ala 1992 WWF FLair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Really the IC Title is just as bad for the period it's been active. 05/25/1999 - Jeff Jarrett 07/24/1999 - Edge 07/25/1999 - Jeff Jarrett 07/27/1999 - D'Lo Brown 08/22/1999 - Jeff Jarrett 10/17/1999 - Chyna 12/12/1999 - Chris Jericho 05/18/2003 - Christian 07/07/2003 - Booker T 08/10/2003 - Christian 09/29/2003 - Rob Van Dam 10/27/2003 - Chris Jericho 10/27/2003 - Rob Van Dam Armageddon PPV - Randy Orton That's 7 for both, since Orton is all but guarenteed to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJMc 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I agree. Years ago, I could recite every title change back to Backlund. Then around '99, I lost it. Now in '03, I seem to be getting it back. WHOOOO!!! YAAAA!!! Ya. -Jimbo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest I Got Banned for Sucking Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Fewer Championship changes can be good, but can also suck. On the sucking side: Triple H made me, and a lot of others, lose respect for the World Heavyweight Championship throughout late 2002 and the better part of 2003. Would it have really hurt him to pass the torch? On good, Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar, but it seems like they've become the Triple H/s of SmackDown!, although not so much now, that the Championship scene involves John Cena and Chris Benoit (we get SmackDown! tonight here - Saturday night, but I know what happens!). I agree that fewer can be better, because some can lose track, but if you love it enough, you never will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 OK, what are the worst decisions about titles made this year? (ie. who had a belt for too long, who should not have won/lost a title at the particular time) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted December 6, 2003 On the very good side, the one who defeats Molly (probably in 50 days, hopefully not for 50 years) for the women's title will earn it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 The worst decisions are HHH beating Booker at Mania, Big Show beating Guerrero, Bashams stealing the WGTT's spot, and Jericho's 5 minute IC Title reign (I hate reigns like that). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 01/06/2003 - William Regal & Lance Storm 01/19/2003 - Bubba Dudley & D-Von Dudley 01/20/2003 - William Regal & Lance Storm 03/24/2003 - Sean Morley & Lance Storm Damn...that seems like a long time ago. I'm still shocked they gave a world title win away on tv this year with BrockAngle...first time since HHH/Show in 2000 I believe. Yeah, I'm not one for rapid title changes. But they've proven they have no clue when it comes to the tag titles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuban Linx 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I'm still shocked they gave a world title win away on tv this year with BrockAngle...first time since HHH/Show in 2000 I believe. There was also Austin defeating Angle for the title on Raw in October 2001. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Thought that was a ppv...ah well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Not really because all that shows is the WWE has less to work with now in terms of hot programs then they do now, whether it's of there own doing or not. I certainly don't think back to 99 and think "man there were too many title changes"..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I certainly don't think back to 99 and think "man there were too many title changes"..... I do. 1999 was arguably the worst year in WWF history creatively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Yet it made incredible money and none of us cared.....ah the good old days.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted December 6, 2003 I certainly don't think back to 99 and think "man there were too many title changes"..... I thought the world title was getting ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haVoc 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 01/24/1999 - The Rock 01/26/1999 - Mankind 02/15/1999 - The Rock 03/28/1999 - Steve Austin 05/23/1999 - Undertaker 06/28/1999 - Steve Austin 08/22/1999 - Mankind 08/23/1999 - Triple H 09/13/1999 - Vince McMahon 09/26/1999 - Triple H 11/14/1999 - The Big Show Chris Benoit- January 16, 2000 Sid Vicious- January 24, 2000 Kevin Nash- January 26, 2000 Sid Vicious- January 26, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- April 16, 2000 Dallas Page- April 24, 2000 David Arquette- April 26, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 7, 2000 Ric Flair- May 15, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 22, 2000 Kevin Nash- May 23, 2000 Ric Flair- May 29, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 29, 2000 Hulk Hogan- July 9, 2000 Booker T- July 9, 2000 And some people want Russo back? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheFranchise 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 01/24/1999 - The Rock 01/26/1999 - Mankind 02/15/1999 - The Rock 03/28/1999 - Steve Austin 05/23/1999 - Undertaker 06/28/1999 - Steve Austin 08/22/1999 - Mankind 08/23/1999 - Triple H 09/13/1999 - Vince McMahon 09/26/1999 - Triple H 11/14/1999 - The Big Show Chris Benoit- January 16, 2000 Sid Vicious- January 24, 2000 Kevin Nash- January 26, 2000 Sid Vicious- January 26, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- April 16, 2000 Dallas Page- April 24, 2000 David Arquette- April 26, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 7, 2000 Ric Flair- May 15, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 22, 2000 Kevin Nash- May 23, 2000 Ric Flair- May 29, 2000 Jeff Jarrett- May 29, 2000 Hulk Hogan- July 9, 2000 Booker T- July 9, 2000 And some people want Russo back? They should be crying out for him during Helmsley's year long reign! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2003 Booker's "5 time" gimmick doesn't carry any weight whatsoever when he got it durring a time when the belt was changing hands every week. It was weird watching WCW then...I would watch a week, miss 2, and watch another and I'd be shocked that the same guy had the belt...but actually he'd lost it 2 weeks ago and got it 1 back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted December 7, 2003 U realize the title changed NINE times in 4 weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted December 7, 2003 U realize the title changed NINE times in 4 weeks. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?! And HHH even joked on Bookers 5 title reigns leading up to Wrestlemania. Booker T's 5 WCW title reigns can't touch Hogan's 5 WWF reigns (I know I left out his 6th win, but that was really for nostalgia only and/or one last run) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2003 U realize the title changed NINE times in 4 weeks. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?! Well, if it was the Hardcore title, I could understand it. But yeah, it's ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted December 7, 2003 I'll try to explain that whole Period... Going into Souled Out, The WCW Title Match was booked to be Bret Hart(champion) Vs Sid. However, as we all know, Bret suffered his career ending Concussion and WCW...faced with the threat of a gaggle of WCW wrestlers threating to defect to WWF (Benoit, Guerrero, Melenko, Saturn, Douglas, Kidman, Mysterio) decided to call their bluff and after Russo was fired and Kevin Sullivan was replaced as head writer... Sullivan tried to make things "right" and put the title on Benoit to see if he would bite but Benoit saw the writing on the wall and knew he was still leaving and WCW management took the title from him before the night was over. (I was there btw) The Next Day, On Nitro, Arn Anderson revealed he made a mistake by not calling Sid's Feet under the ropes as He tapped to the Crossface and thus the title was stripped from Benoit. As we all know, Benoit, Melenko, Guerrero and Saturn defected while Douglas, Kidman and Mysterio were offered promises and pushes which they got, half heartedly. So Sid won the title back the next week I believe over Kevin Nash on Nitro and Nash got a rematch the next day on Thunder and Nash was the new champion but not for long as Sid won the title right back. (I believe this was one of those Dusty Re-start the match finishes) Then Sid actually held the book for little while but then came the first of MANY makeovers and Russo and Bischoff Alliance began. They stripped the title from Sid and had a Mini Tournament that led to Page/Jarrett with like ONE fucking week of hype. Jarrett was Russo's golden Boy. Then suck it in...It's get turbulent from here. The biggest fiasco of a champion occured when Jeff Jarrett was given a WORLD title but it got even worse when they gave the title to a fucking B Actor married to a Millionaire Friend the title to hype their movie "READY TO RUMBLE" which soundly bombed in the theaters. They decided to bring in the Cage gimmick from the movie (Three Cages all stacked on eac other with the title hanging above the tiny chamber on the 3rd cage. Jarrett won after Arquette "screwed" Page. The week later Ric Flair won the World Title once again in what was a shocker at the time beating Jarrett via Inside Cradle. But the title was stripped from Flair for whatever reason I can't remember. So Jarrett won it back for the THIRD time in a fucking month by beating Kevin Nash. Then The next day Nash won the title back by winning a Three way with Jarrett and Steiner. Nash then just handed the belt right over to Ric Flair. I don't recall the reasoning for this. However, Golden Boy II won the title BACK for the fourth time in a month. GASP! Then Jarrett actually managed to HOLD it for a couple months. Then Came the whole Hogan debacle. Booker T won the title in a Impromptu World Title Match with Jarrett. Some argued that they did this JUST to counteract the Racial Lawsuit. Booker and Nash traded the belt a couple times in the next few months (but at least they were MONTH long reigns instead of 2 day reigns). In what was the LAST great feud in WCW history, Scott Steiner whom was given the belt WAY to late finally won it and he traded it with Booker a couple times as well. Steiner actually closed WCW out by having a 5 month reign until Booker left WCW as the WORLD Champion. People, 1999 was bad but at least the title changes made SOME fucking sense... 2000 WCW was absolute chaos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth N Asia 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2003 *vomits* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2003 Thank god I basically stopped watching by then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2003 Choken, you got it pretty much right but you left out Russo winning the belt, Jarrett winning the belt from DDP in a cage match, and I think one other change but I can't remember what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
