Political Affiliation

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Let me repeat myself here: I DON'T LAUGH WITH EVIL GLEE EVERYTIME I HEAR ABOUT A FETUS DYING.

 

I bet KKK does.

[Guest Kamui]

Let me repeat myself here: I DON'T LAUGH WITH EVIL GLEE EVERYTIME I HEAR ABOUT A FETUS DYING.

 

I bet KKK does.

I wouldn't be surprised.

 

(OMG THAT'S SARCASM~!!)

[Guest stardust]

Because everyone else is doing it.

 

1. is against the "War on Drugs" - yes, it's a waste of tax payer's money. Like Dr. Tom said, what people do in their own homes is their business. However, if they fuck up in public, it is the government's business.

2. is pro-choice on abortion--Yes.

3. supports licensing of all firearms and complete ban on automatic/long-range/special-purpose weapons for civilians--I support the constitutional right to bear firearms, but at the same time, I also think background checks are necessary. Granted, no one should have a stock pile of weapons like, say, the Branch Dividians did, but having a gun for hunting purposes or for protection purposes is fine, it just needs to be registered.

4. supports civil unions for homosexuals--Yes, and I also support homosexual marriage.

5. interprets the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution to guarantee a right to privacy--yes

6. believes that we have a duty to promulgate democracy throughout the world (Wilson)--eh, to a certain extent.

7. believes in a strict separation of church and state, and would support any Congressional resolutions removing "In God We Trust" from the currency and "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance--Yes. While the phrases "In God We Trust" or "Under God" don't bother me, I also see no reason for them to be there and can see how some who don't believe in God would be offended.

[AndrewTS 0]

Which leads me to ask, how the hell did America turn the term 'liberal' into a left wing label?

 

"Classical liberal" refers to the basic ideals that the American government was built upon.

 

As opposed to the left-winged "social welfare liberalism" which refers to those who feel that the government is obligated to try to fix any problems in society that they see fit.

 

Just took the Political Compass test--

 

"Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -3.62

Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.31"

 

Hmph...

[MrRant 0]

Since most of you fucktards don't have a child I will say this.

 

I had to think of the very situation that how would I choose if it came down to the mother or the child. That would be MY decision. Try having that on your mind.

 

You people have no clue until you are put in that situation.

[AndrewTS 0]

Let me repeat myself here: I DON'T LAUGH WITH EVIL GLEE EVERYTIME I HEAR ABOUT A FETUS DYING. I was just trying to pose a question and get people to think- I don't think fetuses deserve to die because they're unintelligent, I just value the one that's already born (the mother) over the one that's not (the fetus).

 

It's more important that the mother not be inconvenienced than if the fetus lives? Gotcha.

 

Granted, I wouldn't want any of these irresponsible little bitches actually trying to raise a child, but you can put the child up for adoption.

 

It's been proven also that getting an abortion can be both mentally and physically detrimental to the mother. She's in far more danger in most cases to actually get the abortion.

 

MrRant: I'm of course not referring to the rare cases where if a child is to be born the mother would have to die. That's not the usual situation, but when it is it's a terrible one.

[Guest Kamui]

Since most of you fucktards don't have a child I will say this.

 

I had to think of the very situation that how would I choose if it came down to the mother or the child. That would be MY decision. Try having that on your mind.

 

You people have no clue until you are put in that situation.

I agree with you 100%, but we're talking more about the legality of the situation. But if I was put into that kind of situation, I'd have no idea how to react, and I respect anyone who's gone through it before.

[Guest Kamui]

Let me repeat myself here: I DON'T LAUGH WITH EVIL GLEE EVERYTIME I HEAR ABOUT A FETUS DYING. I was just trying to pose a question and get people to think- I don't think fetuses deserve to die because they're unintelligent, I just value the one that's already born (the mother) over the one that's not (the fetus).

 

It's more important that the mother not be inconvenienced than if the fetus lives? Gotcha.

 

Granted, I wouldn't want any of these irresponsible little bitches actually trying to raise a child, but you can put the child up for adoption.

 

It's been proven also that getting an abortion can be both mentally and physically detrimental to the mother. She's in far more danger in most cases to actually get the abortion.

It's something that the mother should have to decide for herself, that the government or you and I shouldn't intervene in. She's the one who's gonna have to go through 10 months of hell, not us or the government.

[AndrewTS 0]

"I guess you can't read." I said above that I'm very much against it, but if I were a politician I'd pretty much have to be Pro-Choice.

[Justice 0]

So whether a woman wants another human being growing inside of her shouldn't be covered under her right to privacy?

You kinda sorta make that choice when you consent to sex, whether you like it or not. And since you regard it as a human being now, wouldn't it be murder to end it's life? Privacy does not overrule one's right to live.

[Guest Kamui]

"I guess you can't read." I said above that I'm very much against it, but if I were a politician I'd pretty much have to be Pro-Choice.

It's more important that the mother not be inconvenienced than if the fetus lives? Gotcha.

 

That's the quote I was going on. I think pregnancy is more than just a mild inconvience, to be honest.

[Guest Kamui]

So whether a woman wants another human being growing inside of her shouldn't be covered under her right to privacy?

You kinda sorta make that choice when you consent to sex, whether you like it or not. And since you regard it as a human being now, wouldn't it be murder to end it's life? Privacy does not overrule one's right to live.

Eventually it will become a human, yes (later trimesters, which is why I don't support later trimester abortions). And until you pass a law that says so, you're not giving up your right to not want to have children when you engage in sex, which still makes abortion legal.

 

Once again, are we talking about this from a political or moral standpoint? Please clarify, because my moral views on all this are MUCH different than my political ones.

[AndrewTS 0]

"I guess you can't read." I said above that I'm very much against it, but if I were a politician I'd pretty much have to be Pro-Choice.

It's more important that the mother not be inconvenienced than if the fetus lives? Gotcha.

 

That's the quote I was going on. I think pregnancy is more than just a mild inconvience, to be honest.

I went on this quote:

 

I just value the one that's already born (the mother) over the one that's not (the fetus).

 

In most cases, you're not talking about one dying so that the other can live. You're talking about the mother having to live with her own mistake because she couldn't tell her boyfriend to slide a piece of rubber onto his dick or remember to take a pill at the right time.

 

I swear, if humans came with a control panel on their backs where they could switch "fertile" to "infertile" and back at their leisure, they'd still fuck it up.

[Guest Kamui]

"I guess you can't read." I said above that I'm very much against it, but if I were a politician I'd pretty much have to be Pro-Choice.

It's more important that the mother not be inconvenienced than if the fetus lives? Gotcha.

 

That's the quote I was going on. I think pregnancy is more than just a mild inconvience, to be honest.

I went on this quote:

 

I just value the one that's already born (the mother) over the one that's not (the fetus).

 

In most cases, you're not talking about one dying so that the other can live. You're talking about the mother having to live with her own mistake because she couldn't tell her boyfriend to slide a piece of rubber onto his dick or remember to take a pill at the right time.

 

I swear, if humans came with a control panel on their backs where they could switch "fertile" to "infertile" and back at their leisure, they'd still fuck it up.

I meant from a political standpoint, Andrew. i.e. If I'm the government, I'm going to give the right to choose to the mother over the right to live to the unborn fetus, because that's the logical thing to do.

[AndrewTS 0]

That's not "logical." That's a decision you'd make based on your own personal bias. "Logical" implies we're dealing with facts instead of opinions and theories.

 

To me, a life is more important than some one's convenience. However, that's *my* bias, which I'll freely admit.

 

However, I do find it hilarious how some of the rulings the Supreme Court makes are stretched so far beyond the original intent that it seems they can "interpret" any law any they want.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

1. is against the "War on Drugs" - supports complete legalisation

2. is pro-choice on abortion

3. supports licensing of all firearms and complete ban on automatic/long-range/special-purpose weapons for civilians

4. supports civil unions for homosexuals

5. interprets the First, Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution to guarantee a right to privacy

6. believes that we have a duty to promulgate democracy throughout the world (Wilson)

7. believes in a strict separation of church and state, and would support any Congressional resolutions removing "In God We Trust" from the currency and "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance

1. Yes. Legalize it all.

2. Absolutely not. It's very likely the fetus is human, and science will never completely prove otherwise. For every case, there's a better alternative. Also, actions have consequences.

3. No.

4. Yes.

5. Yes.

6. Yes.

7. No. I see a very important distinctions between Church (which implies a specific religious institution) and religion. In terms of the Establishment clause, I take the strict literal interpretation. An endorsement of "God" is not an endorsement of an establishment of religion (i.e. a specific religious institution). If there's no indoctrination, it should be allowed.

[AndrewTS 0]

Where is the "Death Penalty" on that list?

 

Basically, I'm against it. It's too good a punishment for most of those who earn it. I'd put them on an old-school chain gang and sentence them to hard labor for the rest of their lives.

 

Plus, it's not even a deterrent to most of the really fucked up and crazy killers who may even welcome death.

[Guest Kamui]

Where is the "Death Penalty" on that list?

 

Basically, I'm against it. It's too good a punishment for most of those who earn it. I'd put them on an old-school chain gang and sentence them to hard labor for the rest of their lives.

Agreed. The only people who deserve death penalties are going to be in prision for the rest of their life anyway, and unless you're religious once they're dead, that's it. There's plenty of time to punish, say, a child murderer for what he's done that shouldn't be passed up by just killing him instead. Seems almost like an easy way out.

[Firestarter 0]

Where is the "Death Penalty" on that list?

It was a list of issues on which I differ from most Republicans. I'm for the death penalty, so I didn't mention it.

[AndrewTS 0]

Where is the "Death Penalty" on that list?

 

Basically, I'm against it.  It's too good a punishment for most of those who earn it.  I'd put them on an old-school chain gang and sentence them to hard labor for the rest of their lives.

Agreed. The only people who deserve death penalties are going to be in prision for the rest of their life anyway, and unless you're religious once they're dead, that's it. There's plenty of time to punish, say, a child murderer for what he's done that shouldn't be passed up by just killing him instead. Seems almost like an easy way out.

Right. In addition, prison is supposed to be punishment and rehabilitation. If we're talking about the sort who have proven to be incapable of being rehabilitated, they could be at least coerced to pay back their debt to society some how if they can't be reintroduced into it.

[Styles 0]

Where is the "Death Penalty" on that list?

It was a list of issues on which I differ from most Republicans. I'm for the death penalty, so I didn't mention it.

Marney, how can you calmly reply in this thread while ignoring the pages of stupidity?

[Guest Kamui]

Where is the "Death Penalty" on that list?

It was a list of issues on which I differ from most Republicans. I'm for the death penalty, so I didn't mention it.

Marney, how can you calmly reply in this thread while ignoring the pages of stupidity?

Yeah, she's doing a real good job ignoring all of your posts.

[Guest Kamui]

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...ST&f=29&t=46460

 

All of you are massive idiots.

[Downhome 0]

Kamui, you said there is no difference between birth control and an abortion, so let me ask you one simple question.

 

With birth control, a condom, whatever...does that not prevent the human life from even BEGINING in the first place, meaning that by using it you aren't destroying a human who is already being formed.

 

With an abortion, you aren't simply preventing something from STARTING to form, you are destroying something already in the process. How can you in good faith say that both of those are equal?

 

Condom = prevents life from even starting to form, thus nothing is destroyed.

 

Abortion = DESTROYS a life in the process of forming, a life that had the abortion not taken place would've gone through.

[Downhome 0]

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...ST&f=29&t=46460

 

All of you are massive idiots.

The flame, ah yes, the poor mans "out" when debating and discussing issues. That alone proves that you aren't up for it.

 

Once again, AVOID PUBLIC DEBATES!

 

Besides, if you are going to flame then at least go down in style.

[Guest JMA]

Kamui, you said there is no difference between birth control and an abortion, so let me ask you one simple question.

 

With birth control, a condom, whatever...does that not prevent the human life from even BEGINING in the first place, meaning that by using it you aren't destroying a human who is already being formed.

 

With an abortion, you aren't simply preventing something from STARTING to form, you are destroying something already in the process. How can you in good faith say that both of those are equal?

 

Condom = prevents life from even starting to form, thus nothing is destroyed.

 

Abortion = DESTROYS a life in the process of forming, a life that had the abortion not taken place would've gone through.

Again, how in the blue hell did this thread turn into a pseudo-abortion debate? My God...Someone needs to lock these threads. They've been ruined beyond repair.

[Guest jpclemmons]

fiscal conservative social liberal registered democrat(because all of my family are democrats) who'll vote for any party.

[KingPK 0]

I'm a registered Democrat, but I'm just too damn lazy to change it to Independent.

[Guest MikeSC]

YOUR POINT IS STUPID AND OFFENSIVE!

 

Like powerplay said, when you popped out from the womb you had less intelligence than your average adult cat.

I could be mean and state that things haven't really changed in that regard.

 

But I won't.

 

Sort of.

-=Mike

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I am for the death penalty, but not as punishment. It should only be used if a jury decides that there is no possible chance of reform and if the convicted ever gets out, then he will start killing people again. Death should be used as a last resort to protect the public from monsters. I don't believe in vengeance, and capital punishment is certainly not a deterrent to other would be criminals. It is merely something to be used if it is agreed upon that there is no other way to get closure.